BigDingus Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 (edited) Just preemptively stating for the record that although this is obviously a rebuilding year, fans will eventually blame the OC for our offense's failures, even though he may not have a prayer of running a successful offense with the talent & roster at his disposal. It happens nearly every year or two. The offense sucks, mainly due to lack of talent, bad QB's, and horrible execution (drives killed by penalties, dropped passes, balls being thrown 1 yard past the LOS on 3rd & 8 when there are open receivers, communication breakdowns, etc.), yet we act like it's the OC's fault for not miraculously overcoming these issues. Whether it's Nathaniel Hackett, Greg Roman or Rick Dennison, it's always them that get the axe...mainly because the coach needs a scapegoat & the fans want blood. With our patchwork O-line, least experienced QB unit in the league, 1 WR of note, and not-getting-any-younger RB, it's very likely we're in for a long year. But for whatever reason, fans will convince themselves the opposite, and that everyone else is just a hater (FYI, I'm not). Other fans will pretend to be realists, stating they understand these issues and expect us to have a rebuilding-type year with a losing record to reflect it. But after witnessing the actual losses on the field, will quickly jump on in anger & say "I figured we'd lose, but that play calling was awful!" or "that performance was even worse than expected, the OC has to go!" without realizing that the playcalling is what it is due to the issues the coaches KNOW they have. It very well may be a lot of run, run, pass, punt due to the limits of our QB behind this line, but will fans care? Nope. Just throwing this thread out there so people will either A) think about what's happening during the game and WHY it's happening before calling for the OC's head or B) remember we're going to go through growing pains, and the answer isn't always scrap the system each year. Edited August 29, 2018 by BigDingus 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 20 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 24 days and 9 hours.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 It isn't the OC's fault the talent on the O line is so bad. Whaley and Beane both tried to upgrade the O line through the draft. A lot of their picks haven't worked out, but at least they tried. And they did get Dawkins. They tried some FAs too but if Ducasse is the best you can show, you're doing something wrong. (OK, they did bring in Richie but that was out of desperation. And even though Richie was playing at a high level, the Bills clearly pushed him out the door by giving him a pay cut after he made the Pro Bowl. They must have seen the crazies coming on.) It's also not on Whaley and Beane that Wood developed his neck issues and retired. The only hope the Bills had was to develop the talent they did have, which requires a great O line coach. They had a very good O line coach (the guy who had the altercation with the kids on the beach) but they let him go. The current coach just doesn't seem up to the job. As I said on one of these threads a week ago, if they don't fix the O line, it doesn't matter a bit who plays QB. There won't be a running game, the QB will get killed, and we'll have to hope the defense wins us a lot of 9-7 games. It's going to be a long year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColdFront_USAF Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 After the first loss where we score ~10 points or less, clueless fans will want his head. After a season ranked dead last in multiple categories, most fans will. Hackett was canned because he was the Dave Wannstedt of OCs: incredibly vanilla, and so predictable most fans could tell you what play they were about to run. Greg Roman was probably the least justified. He was a good fit for our personnel and mostly got fired because Rex needed a scapegoat for the train wreck he was building. Although we did improve when Lynn took over, it was with Roman's playbook, as they wouldn't have had the time to install a new system mid season. As for Rico, I think McD and Beane looked at all the calls and all the plays to find the problem, and came to the conclusion that it was a combination of Dennison's playcalling and Tyrod's execution, so they moved on from both. I don't think the fans had any influence on that decision. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 (edited) I think he should be fired now,today,before he gets on the plane to Chicago That will give the new OC time to install his new system before the game tommorow and a whole week to practice He (the new OC) could also use all that time to try out 5 new off the street FA starters for the line and maybe a highly intelligent veteran scrub to run this new amazing system Edited August 29, 2018 by JMF2006 spelled chicago wrong ;) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 Tough to say as ideally you want a rookie quarterback to have continuality with an offensive system/coordinator. However, there's a lot of head coaches on the hot seat who were decent offensive coordinators before making the leap. Jason Garrett, Hue Jackson, Adam Gase, and Jay Gruden come to mind. In other words, it's way too early to tell as they haven't played a snap yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4_kidd_4 Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 FIRE EVERYONE 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xwnyer Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 2 hours ago, BigDingus said: Just preemptively stating for the record that although this is obviously a rebuilding year, fans will eventually blame the OC for our offense's failures, even though he may not have a prayer of running a successful offense with the talent & roster at his disposal. It happens nearly every year or two. The offense sucks, mainly due to lack of talent, bad QB's, and horrible execution (drives killed by penalties, dropped passes, balls being thrown 1 yard past the LOS on 3rd & 8 when there are open receivers, communication breakdowns, etc.), yet we act like it's the OC's fault for not miraculously overcoming these issues. Whether it's Nathaniel Hackett, Greg Roman or Rick Dennison, it's always them that get the axe...mainly because the coach needs a scapegoat & the fans want blood. With our patchwork O-line, least experienced QB unit in the league, 1 WR of note, and not-getting-any-younger RB, it's very likely we're in for a long year. But for whatever reason, fans will convince themselves the opposite, and that everyone else is just a hater (FYI, I'm not). Other fans will pretend to be realists, stating they understand these issues and expect us to have a rebuilding-type year with a losing record to reflect it. But after witnessing the actual losses on the field, will quickly jump on in anger & say "I figured we'd lose, but that play calling was awful!" or "that performance was even worse than expected, the OC has to go!" without realizing that the playcalling is what it is due to the issues the coaches KNOW they have. It very well may be a lot of run, run, pass, punt due to the limits of our QB behind this line, but will fans care? Nope. Just throwing this thread out there so people will either A) think about what's happening during the game and WHY it's happening before calling for the OC's head or B) remember we're going to go through growing pains, and the answer isn't always scrap the system each year. If I see the play calling we saw in first half of first preseason game I think people will be happy. If we see whatever he was trying to,do against Bengals they will be screaming for his head after first game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 Won't happen, matter of fact you guys will be all worried about him taking a job elsewhere 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 Our 2 decade-long QB abyss is the biggest contributor to our Offensive woes, imo. NE has gone through many OC’s and ‘you’ could say GB, LAC, Detroit & others have suspect attack plans. They just have QBs who can pull magic out of their azz. Effective running games eat up the clock, minimizing opponents scoring opportunities. We were forced into this strategy with no legit QB, regardless of the OC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myrtle Beach Bills Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 It's not the OC or the head coach, it's the o-line coach that needs to be fired yesterday. Now if Castillo remains then it's on the head coach. He is the worst o-line coach in the league and it's not even close 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBuff423 Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 I won't speak for anyone else, but Daboll brings the kind of ingenuity I'm willing to give a couple years due to the Offensive mess he inherited. We also need to give him time to develop Josh Allen, whether that's trial by fire with Allen this year or getting Allen going in a year or two. But, that also takes time which as everyone else has said, can make the Offense actually function. I think the year will actually get better as the games go on and the system sets into the minds of the players and there is continuity on the Offensive line, the QB and skill positions. Right now all we've seen is constant change as they evaluate players and try to give guys reps and playing time. IMHO, continuity and building chemistry with the other players on your side of the ball is an intangible asset that cannot be quantified - only seen in games. Even the Defense which has had its ups and downs has been going through experimental phases along with missing KW and Trent. So, I think the Offense will be "ok" this year - with more dynamic changes in the highs and lows because of who's on the field. That said, next year with the continuity at the QB position, skills position and I would think at least a couple of the Offensive line positions is when I think we see the major step forward. Still, I give Daboll AT LEAST the next two years and probably into the first half of the 3rd before I'm ready to pull the plug on this project. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Process Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 Fired after 4 more straight losses in the Superbowl. The last loss was because of a 3 yard pass play called at the goal line when Shady has been averaging 4 yds. per carry in the game....pass gets intercepted. Headline: Dabol fired after letting receivers coach Pete Carroll call the last play of the game." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 Sometime during the first half of the Ravens game I’d imagine 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 Is this where the "Fire Daboll" line starts? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 Listening to the third hour of Murphy's WGR show yesterday, there was discussion on how offensive linemen coming out of the college ranks are woefully prepared for the professional game. The few minutes I heard between car stops seemed to indicate a couple of years of pro experience are necessary before offensive linemen are capable of competent play at the NFL level. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 Fire Juan Castillo, Culley and hire Tony Romo as QB coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KGun12TD Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 So, you've decided to throw the first piece of wood in the fire? Why? Why? At least wait till a few game have been played. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 Run game has looked good so far so hopefully we have a top five run game and at least a qb managing th me game. We can get to 7 wins that way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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