Shady on verge of cementing HoF status?

[JerseyBills]

Best RB in the game since 2013, statistically.

He was magnificent last year, and hasn't lost a step at all. I think people don't talk enough about how great he is at avoiding big hits we see RB regularly take,which is why I see him putting up elite numbers for 2-3 more years for sure. Also his condition is bar none.

 

He's very close to being a HOF. 

[row_33]

12 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

 

well if he can put up 3 more years with good production kind of like emmitt did late in his career he could get there. But he's gotta get a run in the playoffs to get there. 

 

i wish it whole heartedly for him but that's a lot to ask

 

he takes a brutal beating out there and he is wearing out, how he has survived concussion protocol at least 8 times during his time here is amazing.

 

11 minutes ago, JerseyBills said:

Best RB in the game since 2013, statistically.

He was magnificent last year, and hasn't lost a step at all. I think people don't talk enough about how great he is at avoiding big hits we see RB regularly take,which is why I see him putting up elite numbers for 2-3 more years for sure. Also his condition is bar none.

 

He's very close to being a HOF. 

 

RB doesn't mean much anymore, too bad as it used to be a top position for honour and glory out there

 

 

[aristocrat]

4 minutes ago, row_33 said:

 

i wish it whole heartedly for him but that's a lot to ask

 

he takes a brutal beating out there and he is wearing out, how he has survived concussion protocol at least 8 times during his time here is amazing.

 

 

RB doesn't mean much anymore, too bad as it used to be a top position for honour and glory out there

 

 

 

he doesn't really take a beating as he's not a high contact guy.  that's why he's generally avoided injury.  It's not that big of a stretch to see him keep playing well. 

[BillsFan130]

As much as I love Shady, I would say no.

 

Although, I probably have higher demands than most on what qualifies as a hall of fame player 

[JerseyBills]

10 minutes ago, row_33 said:

 

i wish it whole heartedly for him but that's a lot to ask

 

he takes a brutal beating out there and he is wearing out, how he has survived concussion protocol at least 8 times during his time here is amazing.

 

 

RB doesn't mean much anymore, too bad as it used to be a top position for honour and glory out there

 

 

Yea true but I feel it's making a comeback as elite QB play has went downhill. Still feel guys like Shady are highly regarded , it's just that most RB nowadays have a good 2-3 years and fall off.

As Nate Burleson said at halftime of the WildCard game,"He's the best player on the field" 

Which is quite a compliment considering the guys on that Jax D.

[mileena]

Lots of biased people here. He is a good runnning back. That doesn't mean HOF, people. You need to transform the game.

[mrags]

4 hours ago, bobobonators said:

Under which team will he go into the HOF? Eagles or Bills?

It won’t even be a consideration. He could stay and break the all time rushing record wearing a Bills uniform and without hesitation, he would go in as an Eagle. 

 

 

Amd those people saying he hasn’t lost a step are dilusuonal. 

[Buffalo716]

4 hours ago, bobobonators said:

Under which team will he go into the HOF? Eagles or Bills?

 

The NFL doenst work like baseball.. a NFL player enshrined in Canton goes in as a member of every team he was a part of ...

 

James Lofton is a Packer and Bill in the HoF

[CountDorkula]

2 hours ago, billsfan11 said:

As much as I love Shady, I would say no.

 

Although, I probably have higher demands than most on what qualifies as a hall of fame player 

AS do I.

 

To many "Hall of Very Good" players get in to the Hall of fame. 

[Fadingpain]

7 hours ago, Chandler#81 said:

‘To speak of’? OJ had 1 playoff game. 

Right.  And he statically did things no one else has ever done before or since.

 

If you are going to rely purely on regular season accomplishments, you can't  just be really good.

 

You have to be unbelievably great.

 

 

[Chandler#81]

4 hours ago, row_33 said:

 

he isn't even up to Bills Wall of Fame status.

 

 

Yes he is. Cookie Gilchrest says hello

6 minutes ago, Fadingpain said:

Right.  And he statically did things no one else has ever done before or since.

 

If you are going to rely purely on regular season accomplishments, you can't  just be really good.

 

You have to be unbelievably great.

 

 

I agree. It’s why I called out ‘must have playoff games’

[KD in CA]

Certainly not yet but still has potential so 'wait and see' is a reasonable option.

 

Career milestones like 10k rushing yards can no longer be viewed the way they were a generation ago.

[BuffBillsForLife]

If he gets to 12k then yes, but if he retired right now then definitely not. 

 

He's a great RB but he's been on bad to average teams his whole career, which like it or not has an impact on HOF voting.

[Buffalo716]

1 minute ago, BuffBillsForLife said:

If he gets to 12k then yes, but if he retired right now then definitely not. 

 

He's a great RB but he's been on bad to average teams his whole career, which like it or not has an impact on HOF voting.

 

Well he certainly isn’t retiring today.

 

He says he is going to play 3 more years. Even 800 yards a year for 3 years gets him over 12k

[bobobonators]

9 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

The NFL doenst work like baseball.. a NFL player enshrined in Canton goes in as a member of every team he was a part of ...

 

James Lofton is a Packer and Bill in the HoF

 

I actually did not know that. I should visit Canton one day. 

[Chicken Boo]

11 hours ago, mileena said:

Lots of biased people here. He is a good runnning back. That doesn't mean HOF, people. You need to transform the game.

 

I agree the criteria needs to be more strict, but that's not the way it works, now is it?

 

By the time he retires, he'll have the numbers to get in.

[Tcali]

On 6/3/2018 at 6:50 PM, Buffalo716 said:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/articles.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/index.ssf/2018/06/buffalo_bills_rb_lesean_mccoy_on_verge_of_cementing_hall_of_fame_status_says_br.amp

 

what do you think?

I think McCoy is a borderline HoFer. He is maybe the 5th best RB in football now.And was mainly about a 5th best kinda guy his whole career.

An excellent RB? Yes. A hall of famer? Gonna be tough.

Edited June 5, 2018 by Tcali

[Buffalo716]

Just now, Tcali said:

I think McCoy is a borderline HoFer. He is maybe the 5th best RB in football now.And was mainly about a 5th best kinda guy hos whole career.

An excellent RB? Yes. a hall of famer? Gonna be tough.

 

He is a 2 time 1st team all pro at RB so by that standard he was atleast the 1st-2nd best back in the league that year

 

He is always near the top of the league in yards from scrimmage 

 

He is a receiving threat as well

 

If he reaches 12k he should make it 

[Tcali]

4 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

He is a 2 time 1st team all pro at RB so by that standard he was atleast the 1st-2nd best back in the league that year

 

He is always near the top of the league in yards from scrimmage 

 

He is a receiving threat as well

 

If he reaches 12k he should make it 

It'll be close. Not a sure thing altho he is without a doubt an excellent RB. Not in the OJ,Sanders,Brown,Campbell  etc league of sure first time balloters.But perhaps after 2 or 3 tries ala Thurman.

And quite honestly--in shady's favor..I dont think Shady needs anything at all more in his career  to augment the argument for him. He paid his dues and has played at a high level for more time than most RBs.He is almost 30 and has done everything that he could do.  He either is or isnt a hall of famer based on his already substantial accomplishments and unique style.

[Buffalo716]

4 minutes ago, Tcali said:

It'll be close. Not a sure thing altho he is without a doubt an excellent RB. Not in the OJ,Sanders,Brown,Campbell  etc league of sure first time balloters.But perhaps after 2 or 3 tries ala Thurman.

And quite honestly--in shady's favor..I dont think Shady needs anything at all more in his career  to augment the argument for him. He paid his dues and has played at a high level for more time than most RBs.He is almost 30 and has done everything that he could do.  He either is or isnt a hall of famer based on his already substantial accomplishments and unique style.

 

Agree he isn’t first ballot. But 2-3 ballot isn’t out of question 

[formerlyofCtown]

On 6/4/2018 at 1:42 AM, Utah John said:

The criteria sports writers use to evaluate a player's career are silly.  A great player might never play on a great team.  That's not his fault.  His accomplishments should be be given MORE weight if his team doesn't make the playoffs consistently, because it indicates he's not riding on someone else's abilities to get things done. 

Barrry Sanders played on awful teams.

[mileena]

3 hours ago, formerlyofCtown said:

Barrry Sanders played on awful teams.

 

He also played in a system where  it would be easy for any runner to gain a lot of yard.

[formerlyofCtown]

14 hours ago, mileena said:

 

He also played in a system where  it would be easy for any runner to gain a lot of yard.

Behind a bad Oline and no QB.

[MJS]

On 6/4/2018 at 9:54 AM, DriveFor1Outta5 said:

Very true. My only worry is being THE guy with the worst receiver group in the league, a below average offensive line, and an inexperienced QB. Opposing defensive coordinators will load the box against this Bills team. There is no way you can allow Shady to beat you, as he is the Bills only weapon. It doesn’t seem like a recipe for big numbers.  It’s tough to imagine Shady averaging more than 4 ypg this season imo.

 

 I hope that you’re correct because he will definitely be given plenty of opportunities. I wish I were more confident that it will translate to big numbers. Staying healthy will also be a big challenge for a back his age carrying a huge workload. 

 

So you mean exactly like last year?

 

McCoy has basically been our only weapon since he has been here. I guess Watkins was a weapon here, but he was always injured or under utilized.

 

McCoy will be McCoy. He's special because he CAN be the only weapon and still produce. He'll always have those negative yardage plays, but he'll get those big 20-30 yard runs two plays later.

Edited June 6, 2018 by MJS

[DriveFor1Outta5]

11 hours ago, MJS said:

 

So you mean exactly like last year?

 

McCoy has basically been our only weapon since he has been here. I guess Watkins was a weapon here, but he was always injured or under utilized.

 

McCoy will be McCoy. He's special because he CAN be the only weapon and still produce. He'll always have those negative yardage plays, but he'll get those big 20-30 yard runs two plays later.

Exactly my point. I’m not convinced that a couple more years of those stats are going to get him in the Hall. McCoy is a special player, but he’d be putting up monster numbers elsewhere. McCoy’s production last season was nothing short of incredible, considering what surrounded him. Unfortunately, I think that Hall voters might want to see bigger numbers. He isn’t going to rush for much over 1K in Buffalo. 

[MJS]

8 minutes ago, DriveFor1Outta5 said:

Exactly my point. I’m not convinced that a couple more years of those stats are going to get him in the Hall. McCoy is a special player, but he’d be putting up monster numbers elsewhere. McCoy’s production last season was nothing short of incredible, considering what surrounded him. Unfortunately, I think that Hall voters might want to see bigger numbers. He isn’t going to rush for much over 1K in Buffalo. 

 

If McCoy gets to 12,000 plus yards it would be odd for him not to be in the HoF.

[DriveFor1Outta5]

3 minutes ago, MJS said:

 

If McCoy gets to 12,000 plus yards it would be odd for him not to be in the HoF.

Fair enough, I wasn’t aware that he is quite close to that mark. 

[Turk71]

43 minutes ago, DriveFor1Outta5 said:

Exactly my point. I’m not convinced that a couple more years of those stats are going to get him in the Hall. McCoy is a special player, but he’d be putting up monster numbers elsewhere. McCoy’s production last season was nothing short of incredible, considering what surrounded him. Unfortunately, I think that Hall voters might want to see bigger numbers. He isn’t going to rush for much over 1K in Buffalo. 

1300 yds led the league last year so over 1000 is still a very good year. I am not sure what numbers would get him in but a couple more 1000 yard seasons would have to put him in strong consideration. McCoy contributes more in the passing game than most rbs as well. 

[Stank_Nasty]

2 hours ago, MJS said:

 

If McCoy gets to 12,000 plus yards it would be odd for him not to be in the HoF.

That’s not the marker it used to be though. Edge James has over 12000 in 11 seasons and is 12th all time among backs in scrimmage yds with just over 15000 and has anyone even heard a whisper of talks for him and the HOF? 

 

Shady most definitely has some serious work ahead of him. 

[Doc]

6 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:

That’s not the marker it used to be though. Edge James has over 12000 in 11 seasons and is 12th all time among backs in scrimmage yds with just over 15000 and has anyone even heard a whisper of talks for him and the HOF? 

 

Shady most definitely has some serious work ahead of him. 

 

Yeah, not sure why Edge isn't in, but I can only assume that most of the voters think he benefited greatly from Manning.

[Stank_Nasty]

Just now, Doc said:

 

Yeah, not sure why Edge isn't in, but I can only assume that most of the voters think he benefited greatly from Manning.

His numbers were staggering for a good span. 

 

Then you have a guy like gore. Really only ever elite in one season when he posted 1600 rushing. The rest just very solid over and over and over again.... now over 14,000 rushing. 

 

I mean what do you do with a guy like that? Consistency has to count for something but he was rarely considered a top 5 back in his generation. He’s like the art monk of rb’s. Hard to deny the raw numbers 

[Doc]

4 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:

His numbers were staggering for a good span. 

 

Then you have a guy like gore. Really only ever elite in one season when he posted 1600 rushing. The rest just very solid over and over and over again.... now over 14,000 rushing. 

 

I mean what do you do with a guy like that? Consistency has to count for something but he was rarely considered a top 5 back in his generation. He’s like the art monk of rb’s. Hard to deny the raw numbers 

 

Yeah, good question about Gore.  You pretty much have to put him in.

[billsfan89]

6 1000 yard seasons with 2 additional 800 plus yard seasons that were only held down under 1000 yards due to missing 4 games both of those seasons. That's in addition to over 3000 receiving yards.  

 

McCoy has been one of the best starting running backs for 8 straight seasons. That to me is HOF worth regardless of what he does to end his career. What more do you want than nearly a decade of a player being one of the best if not the best at his position? Is one more good season the difference?