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Season needs to start so the TT haters can turn on the next qb. 

13 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

...more concerned with what happens between the stripes versus yips and yaps.......unfortunately, he did not have to skill set to make the passing game a viable, consistent threat, primarily downfield.....ONLY color downfield was GREEN.....BLACK or WHITE don't make a damn bit of difference....

 

He did his best and it was enough to get this mediocre team into the playoffs somehow. Just be grateful.  And he is gone. You should be happy. 

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53 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

...more concerned with what happens between the stripes versus yips and yaps.......unfortunately, he did not have to skill set to make the passing game a viable, consistent threat, primarily downfield.....ONLY color downfield was GREEN.....BLACK or WHITE don't make a damn bit of difference....

 

And yet, when the Bills actually put a downfield receiver on the field with him, he had one of the best long-ball arms in the NFL. Hell, they even made a (very lame) Toyota commercial out of the fact. But I guess his "skill set" just vanished from his body at precisely the exact time the team forgot to give him a target to throw to. Pretty amazing coincidence, eh?

 

Of course don't be surprised if that "skill set" reanimates in the upcoming season. Of course, the Browns having receivers who aren't hospital cases or practice squad scrubs will just be another darn coincidence......

 

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Just now, nedboy7 said:

Season needs to start so the TT haters can turn on the next qb. 

Have you read any of the Peterman Starts prediction thread?

 AJ ?NP? who sucks worse ?
 

 basing opinions off air. I do it too of course. But some folks can get testy defending their House of thinking.


Fans will be screaming for Allen and booing some one by the  third     1st  loss . one feature of humanity i struggle with.

Cheer the laundry, and watch the Process.

 

Go Bills

Just now, grb said:

 

And yet, when the Bills actually put a downfield receiver on the field with him, he had one of the best long-ball arms in the NFL. Hell, they even made a (very lame) Toyota commercial out of the fact. But I guess his "skill set" just vanished from body at precisely the exact time the team forgot to give him a target to throw to. Pretty amazing coincidence, eh?

 

Of course don't be surprised if that "skill set" reanimates in the upcoming season. Of course, the Browns having receivers who aren't hospital cases or practice squad scrubs will just be another darn coincidence......

I might be glancing towards the Browns during the season. I usually just follow Bills these days.

 

But who doesn't love an Underdog ! and Browns epitomize that : )
and Cleveland has held that moniker for a rather long while as epic bad records and hopelessness.
Yep. might have to watch the box scores for Northern Ohio NFL Football teams

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13 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

Have you read any of the Peterman Starts prediction thread?

 AJ ?NP? who sucks worse ?
 

 basing opinions off air. I do it too of course. But some folks can get testy defending their House of thinking.


Fans will be screaming for Allen and booing some one by the  third     1st  loss . one feature of humanity i struggle with.

Cheer the laundry, and watch the Process.

 

Go Bills

 

I thought the point in tossing Tyrod and getting a high-draft choice quarterback was everyone would finally grow-up, and stop using the qb as a whipping boy for team-wide dysfunction. I doubt if anyone can prosper with the Bills' offense this year, whether Allen is ready or not, whether Peterman is beyond '17 or not, whether McCarron surprises or not. There's something perverse about setting your quarterback up to fail, then ripping your hair out / screeching when the inevitable results.

 

Bonus points if you seem to take masochistic pleasure in the ritual.

So many posters here appear to do so.

 

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23 minutes ago, nedboy7 said:

Season needs to start so the TT haters can turn on the next qb. 

 

He did his best and it was enough to get this mediocre team into the playoffs somehow. Just be grateful.  And he is gone. You should be happy. 

 

 

 

.why not be?.....kid had a helluva work ethic, was a good teammate and did his best, but it didn't work out, unfortunately...what MORE could you ask for IMO?....certainly hope his new start/new venue moves him closer to is NFL dream of being a starting NFL QB...no harm no foul here....

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6 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

 

 

.why not be?.....kid had a helluva work ethic, was a good teammate and did his best, but it didn't work out, unfortunately...what MORE could you ask for IMO?....certainly hope his new start/new venue moves him closer to is NFL dream of being a starting NFL QB...no harm no foul here....

 

There's something so very Billsy about saying Cleveland gives Taylor the chance to start for an honest-to-god real NFL team....... 

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Just now, ShadyBillsFan said:

After you good sir.   

 

 

People look at this thread with negativity and limited vision.

Heard of the Eternal Flame?

Think something like that.......

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1 hour ago, grb said:

 

I thought the point in tossing Tyrod and getting a high-draft choice quarterback was everyone would finally grow-up, and stop using the qb as a whipping boy for team-wide dysfunction

 

 

The “team wide”dysfunction that held the jags to 10 points ? 

 

That makes plenty of sense in excuseville.  

 

17-37 130 yards = solo dysfunction

 

Doug Marrone slapped that fool silly 

 

Browns open up with Steelers and saints.  I’d get the excuses ready for week 1 and 2.  

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, grb said:

 

There's something so very Billsy about saying Cleveland gives Taylor the chance to start for an honest-to-god real NFL team....... 

 

So...a team that went 0-16 is an honest-to-god real NFL team, while a team that went 9-7 with a playoff birth isn't?  Am I misreading something here?

 

The trade is good for both teams and TT.  Tyrod had no faith in Buffalo's receivers, refusing to throw deep even when his receivers did get open, and refusing to throw into anything resembling cover.  That confidence wasn't going to magically reappear this offseason.  Had Tyrod stayed, we'd see the exact same frustrating ultra-conservative play this season.  Going to Cleveland gives Tyrod a new group of receivers.  Hopefully ones he can have faith in, which will allow him to loosen up and throw deep again.  Note, I'm saying different receivers, not better ones.  I think our receivers are better then Tyrod gave them credit for.  But warranted or not...TT had no faith in them, he wasn't going to do any better if we kept him.

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1 hour ago, The Red King said:

 

So...a team that went 0-16 is an honest-to-god real NFL team, while a team that went 9-7 with a playoff birth isn't?  Am I misreading something here?

 

The trade is good for both teams and TT.  Tyrod had no faith in Buffalo's receivers, refusing to throw deep even when his receivers did get open, and refusing to throw into anything resembling cover.  That confidence wasn't going to magically reappear this offseason.  Had Tyrod stayed, we'd see the exact same frustrating ultra-conservative play this season.  Going to Cleveland gives Tyrod a new group of receivers.  Hopefully ones he can have faith in, which will allow him to loosen up and throw deep again.  Note, I'm saying different receivers, not better ones.  I think our receivers are better then Tyrod gave them credit for.  But warranted or not...TT had no faith in them, he wasn't going to do any better if we kept him.

 

I was responding to this "certainly hope his new start/new venue moves him closer to (his) NFL dream of being a starting NFL QB"  To be fair, maybe OldTimeAFLGuy just got a little clunky in his phrasing - something I'm guilty of often. Otherwise it's a kinda strange statement.

 

And yes, the trade was good for both parties, though please excuse me if I find your reasoning ludicrous. (One of the best deep-ball passers in the NFL lost the ability to throw deep because he .... (dramatic pause) .... "lost faith"...... give. me. a. break..... Bottom line? The Bills were always going to see Taylor as a year-by-year expedient, they were always going to treat him poorly, and they were happy letting offensive talent drain from the team with Taylor as an excuse. None of which was good for either side.

 

No one knows what Allen will become, but lets assume the worse and say his first two years are :

  •   83 of 218,   38.1%,  1410 yds,  6.5 ypa,  6  tds,  24 ints
  • 203 of 373,  54.4%,  2259 yds,  6.1 ypa, 13 tds,  21 ints

Then maybe he becomes the four-time Super Bowl champion, one year MVP and twice season TD-throwing leader Terry Bradshaw. The Steelers committed to him, they built a team around him, and championships resulted. Or look at the current Pittsburgh quarterback: Roethlisberger whined about "wasting" a pick on Rudolph because he (BR) is a jerk, but the Steelers also spent a 2nd & 3rd round pick on receiver and o-linesman. Neither position was close to a need, but Pittsburgh has continually re-stocked and re-loaded to give their guy everything he needs to succeed. It helps to have someone who is "your guy" so you start taking responsibility for supporting & building around him. Otherwise you're just sitting around with your thumb (in an awkward place) - perhaps inventing lame-o theories (faith ?!?!).

 

I was living in the Washington area when RGIII and Cousins were drafted. After Griffin's injury the Redskins played Cousins and weren't entirely satisfied. Later they tried Cousins two or three more times, at one point benching him for Colt McCoy. Sometime during all that, the idea he wasn't "their guy" burrowed into their brains, and no matter how much Kirk lit it up afterwards, that idea could never be dislodged. That's how Washington bungled thru multiple franchise tags before paying out the same money for Smith and, to my eye, getting the worse of the deal. You don't wanna make it too complicated. Taylor is gone. Allen is the guy. Look to the future and work to make it happen.

 

(also: don't waste time worrying if Allen has "faith" in his receivers. please)

 

 

 

 

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3 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

 

 

.why not be?.....kid had a helluva work ethic, was a good teammate and did his best, but it didn't work out, unfortunately...what MORE could you ask for IMO?....certainly hope his new start/new venue moves him closer to is NFL dream of being a starting NFL QB...no harm no foul here....

 

Classy. I like it. 

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7 minutes ago, grb said:

 

I was responding to this "certainly hope his new start/new venue moves him closer to (his) NFL dream of being a starting NFL QB"  To be fair, maybe OldTimeAFLGuy just got a little clunky in his phrasing - something I'm guilty of often. Otherwise it's a kinda strange statement.

 

And yes, the trade was good for both parties, though please excuse me if I find your reasoning ludicrous. (One of the best deep-ball passers in the NFL lost the ability to throw deep because he .... (dramatic pause) .... "lost faith"...... give. me. a. break..... Bottom line? The Bills were always going to see Taylor as a year-by-year expedient, they were always going to treat him poorly, and they were happy letting offensive talent drain from the team with Taylor as an excuse. None of which was good for either side.

 

No one knows what Allen will become, but lets assume the worse and say his first two years are :

  •   83 of 218,   38.1%,  1410 yds,  6.5 ypa,  6  tds,  24 ints
  • 203 of 373,  54.4%,  2259 yds,  6.1 ypa, 13 tds,  21 ints

Then maybe he becomes the four-time Super Bowl champion, one year MVP and twice season TD-throwing leader Terry Bradshaw. The Steelers committed to him, they built a team around him, and championships resulted. Or look at the current Pittsburgh quarterback: Roethlisberger whined about "wasting" a pick on Rudolph because he (BR) is a jerk, but the Steelers also spent a 2nd & 3rd round pick on receiver and o-linesman. Neither position was close to a need, but Pittsburgh has continually re-stocked and re-loaded to give their guy everything he needs to succeed. It helps to have someone who is "your guy" so you start taking responsibility for supporting & building around him. Otherwise you're just sitting around with your thumb (in an awkward place) - perhaps inventing lame-o theories (faith ?!?!).

 

I was living in the Washington area when RGIII and Cousins were drafted. After Griffin's injury the Redskins played Cousins and weren't entirely satisfied. Later they tried Cousins two or three more times, at one point benching him for Colt McCoy. Sometime during all that, the idea he wasn't "their guy" burrowed into their brains, and no matter how much Kirk lit it up afterwards, that idea could never be dislodged. That's how Washington bungled thru multiple franchise tags before paying out the same money for Smith and, to my eye, getting the worse of the deal. You don't wanna make it too complicated. Taylor is gone. Allen is the guy. Look to the future and work to make it happen.

 

(also: don't waste time worrying if Allen has "faith" in his receivers. please)

 

 

 

 

 

...and this is why talking to Tyrod supporters vexes me.  What I said cast TT in the best light possible.  Game film showed that he had receivers open deep a nunber of plays and he never pulled the trigger.  That's not speculation, watch The 22, or hell, even just the game broadcasts.  So, the question is...why didn't he throw?  I chalk it up to lack of confidence in the receiver corp.  I even made it clear that lack of confidence might be justified, even if in my opinion it wasn't.

 

So, you tell me...game film showed TT had receivers open deep that he just didn't throw to.  Now, let's go with your claim that it wasn't lack of confidence in the receivers.  Now, that means there was a number of plays TT has receivers that he trusted open deep...and didn't throw.  Why?  Now...the remaining answers look less charitable for Tyrod...as they are all indicitive of flaws in him...not seeing the open receiver, not being decisive enough to be able to commit to the pass...not trusting himself to throw accurately (remember, you said he trusted his receivers).  So...if he trusted his receivers, as you claim...why did he still refuse to throw to them when they got open?

 

I swear, some Tyrod supporters really don't think things through, content to lash out at any anti-TT sentiment without actually considering what was said...

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9 minutes ago, The Red King said:

 

...and this is why talking to Tyrod supporters vexes me.  What I said cast TT in the best light possible.  Game film showed that he had receivers open deep a nunber of plays and he never pulled the trigger.  That's not speculation, watch The 22, or hell, even just the game broadcasts.  So, the question is...why didn't he throw?  I chalk it up to lack of confidence in the receiver corp.  I even made it clear that lack of confidence might be justified, even if in my opinion it wasn't.

 

So, you tell me...game film showed TT had receivers open deep that he just didn't throw to.  Now, let's go with your claim that it wasn't lack of confidence in the receivers.  Now, that means there was a number of plays TT has receivers that he trusted open deep...and didn't throw.  Why?  Now...the remaining answers look less charitable for Tyrod...as they are all indicitive of flaws in him...not seeing the open receiver, not being decisive enough to be able to commit to the pass...not trusting himself to throw accurately (remember, you said he trusted his receivers).  So...if he trusted his receivers, as you claim...why did he still refuse to throw to them when they got open?

 

I swear, some Tyrod supporters really don't think things through, content to lash out at any anti-TT sentiment without actually considering what was said...

 

I think because there is no acknowledgement of his strengths when bashing the guy. The intangibles.  Of course people saw his faults. What do you want?  Brady. The guy was good enough until someone better came along.  Let’s see if that’s the case. What’s weird is you are still whining about him and he is gone!!  

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4 minutes ago, nedboy7 said:

 

I think because there is no acknowledgement of his strengths when bashing the guy. The intangibles.  Of course people saw his faults. What do you want?  Brady. The guy was good enough until someone better came along.  Let’s see if that’s the case. What’s weird is you are still whining about him and he is gone!!  

 

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"If ya ain't for us, yer 'gainst us!"

 

You obviously haven't paid attention to my prior replies in the thread, and just lump me in with Tyrod detractors.  I've said plenty in support of the guy and have repeatedly mentioned he is a middle-ground QB.  In fact, from just a few pages back...

 

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ll take this one step further.  With people polarized, some people here get real upset if you don't see TT the same way they do.  I've said I think he's baseline, he doesn't make big plays to win, and doesn't make big mistakes to lose.  He elevates teams below .500 and drags teams above .500 down.  In my opinion, the Bills finally outgrew him, and the 1-31 Browns are a perfect fit for him.

 

But yes, by all means, since I'm not a full-blown TT supporter, I must be a detractor that hates him.  The irony is...you just perfectly validated the claim I made.

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10 hours ago, The Red King said:

 

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"If ya ain't for us, yer 'gainst us!"

 

You obviously haven't paid attention to my prior replies in the thread, and just lump me in with Tyrod detractors.  I've said plenty in support of the guy and have repeatedly mentioned he is a middle-ground QB.  In fact, from just a few pages back...

 

 

But yes, by all means, since I'm not a full-blown TT supporter, I must be a detractor that hates him.  The irony is...you just perfectly validated the claim I made.

It goes both ways man. I’m perfectly okay with the move from the old qb but the minute I call somebody on their BS when they start spouting off about how absolutely awful he was they start throwing around the douchey “COT” acronym. 

 

Ive literally prefaced posts by saying I’m ready to move on from him but I don’t agree with some over the top posters claiming he was a RB in a qb’s clothing and have gotten labeled as a lover or COT or whatever else. It’s absolutley absurd. 

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15 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I think that I'll move on as a poster, but keep an eye on it as a mod.

While it's football-relevant and people are more-or-less civil to each other, the way to let it die is....

 

Stop Posting In It!

Or the mod could lock it since Tyrod is no longer on the team and this thread only brings out the same old arguments/fighting  that have been going on for years. End the madness and let the new era begin.

This thread is more about the Imploding of the COT still trying to prove the great Tyrod exists.

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32 minutes ago, Tsaikotic said:

Yea I saw this tweet earlier and thought "wow, he's giving Ben the finger"..lol

Ben is going to try to beat them by 600 points

 

the Browns talking trash has been comedy gold this summer 

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1 hour ago, Stank_Nasty said:

It goes both ways man. I’m perfectly okay with the move from the old qb but the minute I call somebody on their BS when they start spouting off about how absolutely awful he was they start throwing around the douchey “COT” acronym. 

 

Ive literally prefaced posts by saying I’m ready to move on from him but I don’t agree with some over the top posters claiming he was a RB in a qb’s clothing and have gotten labeled as a lover or COT or whatever else. It’s absolutley absurd. 

 

It does go both ways.  If you saw my prior posts I called out both TT supporters and detractors.

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31 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Ben is going to try to beat them by 600 points

 

the Browns talking trash has been comedy gold this summer 

 

he had Romo, Bledsoe and Testeverde in Dallas (WR coach tho); Kurt Warner while in Arizona (lost the Sb when there as OC) and Big Ben during his years in Pit also OC...guess none of them are better the Tyrod Taylor and a rookie

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19 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

Its really not that hard to understand.....

 

He was a bill

We are fans of the bills

We want our players to do well

He is no longer a bill

 

What I dont understand is the blatant hatred for the guy.....as a human being he really is not a hard person to like....he exemplifies the "pool yourself up by your own bootstraps" mentality that some of us have lived our our lives.....some of us identify with him......he turned himself from a late round pick into a starter for a professional football team and managed to qb a team to a playoff birth

 

Sadly......it just was not good enough....those of us that had much respect for the guy wished that he could take that next step in his development and be the guy WE wanted.....but in the end he had reached his ceiling and was not going to improve.....

 

What I am not liking right now is the chip on his shoulder now seems to have been pointed towards the Buffalo Bills.....who frankly Tyrod should be just thanking for giving him the opportunity (much like Cog) in that there is a strong possibility that without that particular ideal time and situation for him he would not have gotten the opportunity to turn it into a lucrative contract.   He could have easily fallen into that group of extreme athletes that were not qbs playing the qb postiion that never got their shot.....

 

He did....he should thank the bills for it and move on and concentrate on his new team.

 

 

Tyrod to the Bills:

 

I really don't like you.  I feel bad for you.

 

The Bills to Tyrod:

 

Image result for i don't think about you at all gif

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2 hours ago, BringBackOrton said:

Tyrod to the Bills:

 

I really don't like you.  I feel bad for you.

 

The Bills to Tyrod:

 

Image result for i don't think about you at all gif

 

Damn I thought this thread would actually die overnight.

 

@ Stank Nasty it was 11 hours dead... why bump it? :doh:

 

Everyone should bother watching the 7 minute interview some of you are so up-in-arms about. He was asked a direct, leading question about the Bills:

 

"You don't get this far without fire. There's gotta be something that burns inside you. How motivated are you to prove that they were wrong to trade you from a playoff team?"

 

And Taylor basically followed that up saying he expects the Bills to make the playoffs.

 

There was nothing vindictive or spiteful--unlike what's happening in this thread--he was just asked a leading question that had a pretty obvious answer to it and was more diplomatic than I think anyone could ever expect.

 

How the hell did some of you expect him to respond to that?

 

Get over it people. Some of you are still so spiteful about Taylor, who's now been gone over 3 months, that you're altering reality.

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If he knocks us out of the playoffs two years in a row that would be impressive.  Of course the chances of the Bills and Browns playing each other in the playoffs are about the same as Bill Cosby getting another sitcom.

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59 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

If he knocks us out of the playoffs two years in a row that would be impressive.  Of course the chances of the Bills and Browns playing each other in the playoffs are about the same as Bill Cosby getting another sitcom.

 

I heard he's getting a new one with Rosanne and O.J...  XD

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3 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Damn I thought this thread would actually die overnight.

 

@ Stank Nasty it was 11 hours dead... why bump it? :doh:

 

Everyone should bother watching the 7 minute interview some of you are so up-in-arms about. He was asked a direct, leading question about the Bills:

 

"You don't get this far without fire. There's gotta be something that burns inside you. How motivated are you to prove that they were wrong to trade you from a playoff team?"

 

And Taylor basically followed that up saying he expects the Bills to make the playoffs.

 

There was nothing vindictive or spiteful--unlike what's happening in this thread--he was just asked a leading question that had a pretty obvious answer to it and was more diplomatic than I think anyone could ever expect.

 

How the hell did some of you expect him to respond to that?

 

Get over it people. Some of you are still so spiteful about Taylor, who's now been gone over 3 months, that you're altering reality.

I didn't expect Taylor to respond any other way.  I just think it's funny when backup QB's talk ****.

 

Chase Daniel saying that he's gonna create a new playoff drought in Buffalo would be just as funny.

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13 hours ago, Tsaikotic said:

 

he had Romo, Bledsoe and Testeverde in Dallas (WR coach tho); Kurt Warner while in Arizona (lost the Sb when there as OC) and Big Ben during his years in Pit also OC...guess none of them are better the Tyrod Taylor and a rookie

When coaches and players say "QB room" they usually mean how they get along, coachable, all QB's get along well, productive interactions between all, egos left at the door, etc etc...….

 

not about talent. 

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15 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Damn I thought this thread would actually die overnight.

 

@ Stank Nasty it was 11 hours dead... why bump it? :doh:

 

Everyone should bother watching the 7 minute interview some of you are so up-in-arms about. He was asked a direct, leading question about the Bills:

 

"You don't get this far without fire. There's gotta be something that burns inside you. How motivated are you to prove that they were wrong to trade you from a playoff team?"

 

And Taylor basically followed that up saying he expects the Bills to make the playoffs.

 

There was nothing vindictive or spiteful--unlike what's happening in this thread--he was just asked a leading question that had a pretty obvious answer to it and was more diplomatic than I think anyone could ever expect.

 

How the hell did some of you expect him to respond to that?

 

Get over it people. Some of you are still so spiteful about Taylor, who's now been gone over 3 months, that you're altering reality.

I watched the video today. Dude looks more jacked up for sure. I'd probably never diss him about that 3 point playoff game to his face.

 

Wish it had been different for Tyrod in Buffalo because he really is a good guy. I have no problems with what he's saying. One door closes and another opens. He might find he fits in Cleveland or some other team in the future. 

 

I never doubted that Tyrod gave his all to win. It just didn't end up helping the team win as much as I would have liked. 

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Will Tyrod Taylor or AJ McCarron have a better 2018?

This NFL offseason featured several veteran quarterback transactions, which included AJ McCarron signing with the Buffalo Bills and Tyrod Taylor being traded by the Bills to the Cleveland Browns. Both McCarron and Taylor enter similar situations in that they will be fighting for playing time along with newly-drafted rookies who hope to become their respective franchises’ future long-term quarterbacks. But, who is better set up with the tools to have the more successful 2018 campaign?

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On 6/17/2018 at 4:29 AM, Lfod said:

Wish it had been different for Tyrod in Buffalo because he really is a good guy. I have no problems with what he's saying. One door closes and another opens. He might find he fits in Cleveland or some other team in the future. 

 

I never doubted that Tyrod gave his all to win. It just didn't end up helping the team win as much as I would have liked. 

 

This may be the most rational and reasonable thing anyone on this message board has ever written about Tyrod.

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