Tyrod Taylor: I still feel that I’d done more than enough to stay

[3rdand12]

10 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

McCoy's ypc dropped 1.4 from 2016.

the whole offense relapsed under Dennison.

 I missed Lynn and Kromer last year.

[GoBills808]

3 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Good point.

 

The second issue with comparing them as a metric of QB productivity, is the need to consider the overall offensive scheme. 

In 2017, the Rams passed 53% of their QB plays from scrimmage (eg not including punts, FGA etc).  In 2015, the Bills ran 52% of their QB plays from scrimmage. 

 

The Rams in 2017 had the #1 offense in the league for points scored.  The 2015 Bills were #12 - I think  top 10 projecting the Tyrod games to 16.  So clearly overall the Rams were running a more effective offense in 2017 than the Bills in 2015.

 

 

I think you're referring to 2016: iirc in 2015 Taylor missed the Bengals and Jaguars games which we scored 21 and 31 points respectively...that year we scored 379 points total which was good for 12th at 23.68 ppg. Those two games actually brought up the average, if you project Taylor's games to 16 it actually takes the scoring offense from 12th to 15th I believe.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

3 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

QBR is just bad.  I'm not sure it's even properly characterized as a stat: there are a number of what are essentially 'opinions' about the importance of different plays at different points in the game, how much pressure a QB is under etc. folded into it.   " Unlike the NFL passer rating, ESPN has not yet been forthcoming on the exact specific formulas and procedures to calculate QBR.^[7] The proprietary, complex methodology spans some 10,000 lines of code" (that's after various assessments off film are folded into it)

 

 

I think purely on an offensive output basis, Tyrod could arguably the better choice here for 1 more season.  Looked at objectively,AJM to date (while a better pocket QB) had similar passing production in his limited NFL games, and lacks the run contributions of Taylor.  I think the Bills moved on for a number of factors beyond pure offensive output, and I'm OK with that choice.  Sometimes "good" (or average, or mediocre, or whatever word one prefers) is the enemy of "great" IOW one has to risk possibly taking a drop in performance in order to set up for an improvement.

True, AJs passing yards in total per game are similar but I equate that to a coach not putting too much on their 2nd year backup. 

 

As a sophomore AJ went 2-2 as a starter.  He lost 1 game in OT to the (soon to be) SB winners in the regular season and because of 2 back to back blunders on defense with a 1 point lead lost the game as those 30 yards of penalties put the Steelers in FG range. 

 

2nd year players output to a 7th years players output.  

1 hour ago, 3rdand12 said:

the whole offense relapsed under Dennison.

 I missed Lynn and Kromer last year.

Tyrod best year was with Roman.  

 

A guy they fired because TT wasn’t improving in season 2 so the scapegoat became the OC (not once but 3 times).  

 

[reddogblitz]

1 hour ago, 3rdand12 said:

the whole offense relapsed under Dennison.

 I missed Lynn and Kromer last year.

 

McDermott and Dennison Rexed our offense.

[BigDingus]

On 6/2/2018 at 7:16 AM, Zebrastripes said:

Two games with under 100 passing yards and 6 more with under 200 really isn't doing enough to stay on a NFL team.

 

And only one game in 3 seasons as the starter over 300 (just barely), and it took OT to hit that.

Not many starting QB's get 3 full years "leading" an offense that was dead last or close to dead last, in passing with those kind of numbers.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

44 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

McDermott and Dennison Rexed our offense.

Tay Tay Rexed our offense.   

 

3 seasons which regressed every season.  

 

The improved defense and a guy nicknamed HouseMoney saved the Bills past season with a record # of 50 plus yard FGs.  

 

Occums razor says look at the common denominator T2

Edited June 3, 2018 by ShadyBillsFan

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

I think you're referring to 2016: iirc in 2015 Taylor missed the Bengals and Jaguars games which we scored 21 and 31 points respectively...that year we scored 379 points total which was good for 12th at 23.68 ppg. Those two games actually brought up the average, if you project Taylor's games to 16 it actually takes the scoring offense from 12th to 15th I believe.

 

I accept your word, I didn't dig deep myself.

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

True, AJs passing yards in total per game are similar but I equate that to a coach not putting too much on their 2nd year backup.

 

It could be.  He did rack up more yards the game that he took over after Dalton was injured.

 

OTOH there are a bunch of film analyses of those games out there that point out where he lacked the precision or arm zing to fit the ball into available holes, and where he made the throw but it was just enough off target to preclude YAC.  And he did have some amazing WR.    So it might be he couldn't generate

more offense.

 

On the third hand, maybe he's taken a step in his abilities to read a defense etc.

[xRUSHx]

Tyrod came to Buffalo after being a backup in Baltimore to end up bouncing teams to be a backup somewhere else. Enjoy your one year as a starter if you even get that. Browns know what they got in him so they drafted his replacement before he even played a snap. He better learn to be a backup or he will be out of this league pretty fast.

 

Tyrod has done enough to stay, haha. Team 3 has already determined not enough to stay as a starter. Didn't he say the same thing when Baltimore said goodbye to him?

Edited June 3, 2018 by xRUSHx

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

It could be.  He did rack up more yards the game that he took over after Dalton was injured.

 

OTOH there are a bunch of film analyses of those games out there that point out where he lacked the precision or arm zing to fit the ball into available holes, and where he made the throw but it was just enough off target to preclude YAC.  And he did have some amazing WR.    So it might be he couldn't generate

more offense.

 

On the third hand, maybe he's taken a step in his abilities to read a defense etc.

All we can do is hope he’s stepped it up.   

 

 

[xRUSHx]

9 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

All we can do is hope he’s stepped it up.   

 

 

To step up would be great but..

I'm not expecting much from him, IMO AJ is a backup and will end up continuing as a backup throughout his career. AJ is just a holder for a short time. IMO Peterman could end up better with time so saying that IMO shows where I feel AJ will ever be, backup at best. Who is the better backup to stay after this season when Allen takes over, AJ or Peterman, looks like both arms are in the same category so this season is battle of the backups of who stays in 2019 IMO. 

Edited June 3, 2018 by xRUSHx

[ProcessYaDigg]

I honestly don't know why Tyrod is excited.  He's gonna be put in the same situation after this season when Cleveland decides to start Baker in 2019.  I'll give Tyrod credit though cuz he does handle it well.  I'm not too worried about the stats he put up, with the exception of his turnover ratio.  Yeah de didn't turn the ball over much, but at the same time, how many 3 & outs did we have under Tyrod.  To me, that's the same as a turnover cuz we couldn't push the ball down the field.  Additionally, until he establishes himself as a clutch QB, he won't be able to make it in this league as an every year starter.  He is still relatively young in his career, so he has the opportunity to turn things around, I do wish him the best.  It just won't be in Cleveland.  Sorry Tyrod, Cleveland already drafted your replacement.

[Stank_Nasty]

34 minutes ago, Circlethewagon8404 said:

I honestly don't know why Tyrod is excited.  He's gonna be put in the same situation after this season when Cleveland decides to start Baker in 2019.  I'll give Tyrod credit though cuz he does handle it well.  I'm not too worried about the stats he put up, with the exception of his turnover ratio.  Yeah de didn't turn the ball over much, but at the same time, how many 3 & outs did we have under Tyrod.  To me, that's the same as a turnover cuz we couldn't push the ball down the field.  Additionally, until he establishes himself as a clutch QB, he won't be able to make it in this league as an every year starter.  He is still relatively young in his career, so he has the opportunity to turn things around, I do wish him the best.  It just won't be in Cleveland.  Sorry Tyrod, Cleveland already drafted your replacement.

Let me get this straight. 3 and out and a flip of the field is the same as a Potentially field shortening turnover?...

 

Geez, dude. 

Edited June 3, 2018 by Stank_Nasty

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Just now, ScottLaw said:

Lol. Awful, awful take. If you want to say anyone ruined the offense it is McDermott with his choice of offensive coaching hires and offensive personnel decisions last offseason.

Scott,  You can be all confused by my post.  It’s ok.  We know how love blind you are with TT. 

 

Have fun chatting with your new Browns friends. I’m sure that would appreciate a bright outlook.  

 

Make him a QB.  

 

/mic drop

If it weren’t for House$ the Bills would be lucky to have won  6 or 7 games.  

[Teddy KGB]

20 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Lol. Awful, awful take. If you want to say anyone ruined the offense it is McDermott with his choice of offensive coaching hires and offensive personnel decisions last offseason.

 

You’re the king of awful takes on Taylor. 

 

Tyrod Taylor = TJ Yates, Ryan Lindley, Tarvaris Jackson when it comes to playoff performances. 

 

Osweiler would have been an upgrade over your crush.  

 

Stop making the excuse machine work overtime.    

Edited June 3, 2018 by Teddy KGB

[swnybillsfan]

18 hours ago, twoandfourteen said:

 

It's called the "wishbone".

 

 

i don't know about all that. i think that greg roman did a good job with taylor while he was here. some read option, lots of boots and roll outs, a downfield passing attack that utilized the sidelines to minimize the chance of turnover. tyrod was not without ability, and certainly had strengths. we all know his limitations, but he was far from an awful qb.

[atlbillsfan1975]

This is why McDermott and Beane moved on from Taylor. They don’t feel the same way so they did the best thing for Taylor and the team. 

[Lfod]

If the defense didn't force turnovers as much as it did, do you think the Bills would have won as many games? I would like to see what another QB does with that many extra possessions in games. 

Edited June 4, 2018 by Lfod

[transplantbillsfan]

1 hour ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

Scott,  You can be all confused by my post.  It’s ok.  We know how love blind you are with TT. 

 

Have fun chatting with your new Browns friends. I’m sure that would appreciate a bright outlook.  

 

Make him a QB.  

 

/mic drop

If it weren’t for House$ the Bills would be lucky to have won  6 or 7 games.  

 

Taylor regressed in his play as a QB in Buffalo over the last 3 years.

 

You've regressed as a poster over the last 3 years since you've been posting about him.

 

You're still with us, he's not. Maybe we should talk about you.

[BringBackOrton]

6 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

This. 

 

People seem to think the Bills won inspite of Tyrod last season. It's just not the case.

How many Pro Bowl votes did you submit for him in 2017?

[ProcessYaDigg]

2 hours ago, Stank_Nasty said:

Let me get this straight. 3 and out and a flip of the field is the same as a Potentially field shortening turnover?...

 

Geez, dude. 

i get what you're saying and I agree that we didn't give up the short field often.  What i'm saying is that our offense was hardly on the field because of so many 3 & outs.

[TigerJ]

On 6/2/2018 at 8:09 AM, Kirby Jackson said:

Moving on was the right decision for both sides. Tyrod handled himself with class as always. The Bills handled it the right way by keeping him in the loop. 

I agree.  Tyrod's game is not geared toward championship level football.  He will give Cleveland better quaterbacking than they've had in a while if he starts rather than Mayfield, but I don't think his ceiling would have allowed Buffalo to ever have much better results than they had last season.McDermott and Beane are looking for better.  Wheather or not they find it or have found it is certainly open to question, but Tyrod was never going to give it to them.

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9 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

This. 

 

People seem to think the Bills won inspite of Tyrod last season. It's just not the case.

And they still think that, and that the offense is somehow going to magically improve with AJ.

People still wont give him credit for averaging between 5 to 6 yards per carry during his tenure in Buffalo. Or the extra 500 to 600 yards and 4 to 6 tds that his rushing contributed to the offense each year.

 

For most posters those numbers don't count or even exist, or a silly 4th quarter comeback stat that Aaron Rogers rates lower at is more important. But those contributions did matter and they were pretty damn significant for the teams total offense when added to his passing. And he's right to say that, because in the end he accounted for more points than well over half the Qbs in the league.

Edited June 4, 2018 by MURPHD6

[GoBills808]

3 hours ago, MURPHD6 said:

And they still think that, and that the offense is somehow going to magically improve with AJ.

People still wont give him credit for averaging between 5 to 6 yards per carry during his tenure in Buffalo. Or the extra 500 to 600 yards and 4 to 6 tds that his rushing contributed to the offense each year.

 

For most posters those numbers don't count or even exist, or a silly 4th quarter comeback stat that Aaron Rogers rates lower at is more important. But those contributions did matter and they were pretty damn significant for the teams total offense when added to his passing. And he's right to say that, because in the end he accounted for more points than well over half the Qbs in the league.

Can you clarify 'points' and maybe 'well over half the QBs in the league' too, because if you're talking about total TDs scored Taylor was 17th among QBs in 2015, 18th in 2016, and 24th in 2017. He was and is a limited below average QB overall, his rushing ability (and Rex Ryan) is really the only reason his tenure in Buffalo lasted more than a season. 

[Thurman#1]

On 6/3/2018 at 7:09 AM, Shaw66 said:

Several things:

 

1.  I'm still not convinced about Tyrod, but once they benched him for Peterman, he had to go.   That was a clear vote of no confidence, and there was no going back.

 

2.  I sincerely hope he succeeds in Cleveland or somewhere else.   He's committed to his craft, he works hard, and I like to see that work ethic rewarded.

 

3.  Tyrod is a quality guy.   Some guys would have griped somewhere along the line, on his way out the door, if not earlier, but he wouldn't do that.  This latest comment isn't griping; it's just a statement of his confidence in himself and his recognition that the Bills had a different view.   

 

I've written before about my good friend who lived next door to Tyrod on Main Street most of the time Tyrod was in Buffalo.  They had the only two apartments on their floor.   She's 92, and she's a big fan.   Recently she told me that one day she was in the lobby of their building with her wheel-chair-bound granddaughter.  Some other people were there, too.  Tyrod got off the elevator, in a hurry to go someplace.   People recognized him and wanted to talk, but he was headed straight for the door.   Then he saw my friend and her granddaughter, stopped and came over to talk with the girl.   No one asked him to stop; he just wouldn't leave with giving the girl a few minutes of his time.   When he finished chatting, he was out the door and gone.  

 

Good luck, TT.  

 

 

Good story and a great example of the kind of thing that makes people good folks. 

 

I've always liked Tyrod as a person. Not as my team's QB, not anywhere near recently, but he's always carried himself with class with the one small exception of the racist thing, which I thought was nonsense. But one small problem in three years is an extremely high average for human beings. 

 

I'm with you, I wish him the absolute best.

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1 hour ago, GoBills808 said:

Can you clarify 'points' and maybe 'well over half the QBs in the league' too, because if you're talking about total TDs scored Taylor was 17th among QBs in 2015, 18th in 2016, and 24th in 2017. He was and is a limited below average QB overall, his rushing ability (and Rex Ryan) is really the only reason his tenure in Buffalo lasted more than a season. 

Points includes passes and rushing TD's. Well over half the QB's in the league refers to every QB who started a game in 2015, 2016, and 2017. Points are points- whether he threw a TD or ran for one; QB's in the league are QBs in the league. 

And your response proves my point exactly: people dont add what he does in the running game to his stats, as if he is no longer a QB (by virtue of magic) every time he takes off and runs. Its silly and unnecessarily old school, reminding me of the devaluing of walks that plauged baseball thinking for years.

 

I don't care if a QB throws for a 1st down or runs for a first down, as long as he gets a 1st down, so saying that he was a good runner but a bad qb makes no sense to me. 

Edited June 4, 2018 by MURPHD6

[Doc Brown]

7 minutes ago, MURPHD6 said:

Points includes passes and rushing TD's. Well over half the QB's in the league refers to every QB who started a game in 2015, 2016, and 2017. Points are points- whether he threw a TD or ran for one; QB's in the league are QBs in the league. 

And your response proves my point exactly: people dont add what he does in the running game to his stats, as if he is no loger a QB (by virtue of magic) every time he takes off and runs.

He only missed five games in three years and he only managed to finish 17th, 18th, and 24th in the NFL in points among QB's (rushing and passing touchdowns) according to your definition.  If you wanted to argue he's a consistently low average to average starting QB....you've succeeded.

[xxxxxxxx]

When I say above half, I am including everyone who played, as that offers a more complete picture. And yes, every average starter deserves to keep their starting job, there is nothing really that controverisal about that.

Why? 

Average starters don't grow on trees, and you can waste multiple seasons trying to develop an inexperienced QB into an average QB. 

We are wasting this season, and there is no guaranteee that a current QB on the roster will even be average, long term.

Most 1st round qbs dont develop into average starters. Its a roll of the dice.

Edited June 4, 2018 by MURPHD6

[3rdand12]

13 hours ago, reddogblitz said:

 

McDermott and Dennison Rexed our offense.

haha  !!

13 hours ago, reddogblitz said:

 

McDermott and Dennison Rexed our offense.

haha  !!

 

Btw Last year was painful to watch. The Offense and Tyrod, Tolbert and Mills.
Hope Taylor regains some of what he brought his first and second season.
 

 Bills have moved on and rightly so.

[tlfcbb]

If someone had told me three or four years ago that we would end our drought after 17 years and would then get rid of our QB after the season ended, I would have laughed at them.  And yet, I think most fans agreed that the time had come to move in another direction.  Football really is a strange game.  Go Bills

[twoandfourteen]

7 hours ago, MURPHD6 said:

And they still think that, and that the offense is somehow going to magically improve with AJ.

People still wont give him credit for averaging between 5 to 6 yards per carry during his tenure in Buffalo. Or the extra 500 to 600 yards and 4 to 6 tds that his rushing contributed to the offense each year.

 

For most posters those numbers don't count or even exist, or a silly 4th quarter comeback stat that Aaron Rogers rates lower at is more important. But those contributions did matter and they were pretty damn significant for the teams total offense when added to his passing. And he's right to say that, because in the end he accounted for more points than well over half the Qbs in the league.

 

Now consider the 1500-2000 yards passing and 10 passing TDs he was not close to capable of providing. 

 

Tyrod's inability to operate a modern passing offense put the Bills in such an offensive deficit that his rushing contributions are kind of irrelevant. (Also, a I'd be willing to bet that a significant % of his rushing #'s came in garbage time against prevent defenses, but I don't care enough to look that up.)

 

I've said this before. The notion that defending Tyrod somehow "kept defensive coordinators up at night" is an absolute joke. 

 

A QB that can drop 375 yds passing and 4 passing TDs on you at any time is infinitely more dangerous than a QB who can only throw for 200 yards passing (on a very good day, let's be honest), 2 TDs, 40 yds rushing and maybe 1 rush TD. 

 

If I'm a DC, I let Taylor scramble around all day -- he's never going to score quickly and often. I'll take giving up 240 total yards at Tyrod's best as opposed to 375 to a real QB. 

Edited June 4, 2018 by twoandfourteen

[twoandfourteen]

2 hours ago, MURPHD6 said:

Points includes passes and rushing TD's. Well over half the QB's in the league refers to every QB who started a game in 2015, 2016, and 2017. Points are points- whether he threw a TD or ran for one; QB's in the league are QBs in the league. 

And your response proves my point exactly: people dont add what he does in the running game to his stats, as if he is no longer a QB (by virtue of magic) every time he takes off and runs. Its silly and unnecessarily old school, reminding me of the devaluing of walks that plauged baseball thinking for years.

 

I don't care if a QB throws for a 1st down or runs for a first down, as long as he gets a 1st down, so saying that he was a good runner but a bad qb makes no sense to me. 

 

You should care -- because the two approaches are not equivalent. One is a slower, much more inefficient way to gain yardage and score points. I'll let you guess which one that is. 

 

Where it matters is at the end of the game when you're adding them all up:

 

One QB threw for 11st downs, the other threw for 4 and ran for 3.

 

One QB threw for 4 TDs and kicked 1 FG, the other threw for 1, ran for 1 and his team kicked 2 FGs. 

[Big Gun]

12 hours ago, Stank_Nasty said:

Let me get this straight. 3 and out and a flip of the field is the same as a Potentially field shortening turnover?...

 

Geez, dude. 

Not all interceptions are bad.

 

Ball is at opponents 45 our QB throws a 25 yard int on 3rd and 15 while trying to make a play and fit it into a tight window, with no return and ball is on opponents 20 yard line. 

 

or

 

Ball still on opponents 45, Schmidt, standing on his own side of field punts ball to 10 yard line PR catches and returns to 25 yard line.

 

Is that considered a bad interception? I don't consider that a bad interception. Yet if QB does that similar scenario half dozen times and ends year with, say 15 ints instead of 9 he is wrongly looked at as a turn over machine. Yet former QB who had same scenario would pass the ball for 5 yard gain or run around and gain 3 yards and still punt was considered better because he didn't throw ints. No!

 

As long as the QB is throwing for yards, which also flip the field and TDs, i'll be totally ok with double (8) or triple (12) the amount of ints that TT had last year.     

[Stank_Nasty]

39 minutes ago, PeterGriffin said:

Not all interceptions are bad.

 

Ball is at opponents 45 our QB throws a 25 yard int on 3rd and 15 while trying to make a play and fit it into a tight window, with no return and ball is on opponents 20 yard line. 

 

or

 

Ball still on opponents 45, Schmidt, standing on his own side of field punts ball to 10 yard line PR catches and returns to 25 yard line.

 

Is that considered a bad interception? I don't consider that a bad interception. Yet if QB does that similar scenario half dozen times and ends year with, say 15 ints instead of 9 he is wrongly looked at as a turn over machine. Yet former QB who had same scenario would pass the ball for 5 yard gain or run around and gain 3 yards and still punt was considered better because he didn't throw ints. No!

 

As long as the QB is throwing for yards, which also flip the field and TDs, i'll be totally ok with double (8) or triple (12) the amount of ints that TT had last year.     

Thanks for using one overly specific example to try and bail out a dudes dumb a** blanket statement that 3 and outs are the same as turnovers. Try telling that to the bills d back when they traveled to San Diego. 

 

I’m personally not tore up at all that Taylor is gone but what that dude said is dumb. I don’t know the numbers but I would bet money that around 50% of turnovers End up wth the defense getting stuck with a way shorter field than what a punt would have netted 

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53 minutes ago, twoandfourteen said:

 

You should care -- because the two approaches are not equivalent. One is a slower, much more inefficient way to gain yardage and score points. I'll let you guess which one that is. 

 

Where it matters is at the end of the game when you're adding them all up:

 

One QB threw for 11st downs, the other threw for 4 and ran for 3.

 

One QB threw for 4 TDs and kicked 1 FG, the other threw for 1, ran for 1 and his team kicked 2 FGs. 

Of course they aren't, but 10 yards is 10 yards; and 6 points is 6 points. And running is not necessarily inefficient if you want to chew the clock and rest your D. Its actually pretty damn efficient when you want to protect the ball. 

 

Edited June 4, 2018 by MURPHD6

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1 hour ago, twoandfourteen said:

 

Now consider the 1500-2000 yards passing and 10 passing TDs he was not close to capable of providing. 

 

Tyrod's inability to operate a modern passing offense put the Bills in such an offensive deficit that his rushing contributions are kind of irrelevant. (Also, a I'd be willing to bet that a significant % of his rushing #'s came in garbage time against prevent defenses, but I don't care enough to look that up.)

 

I've said this before. The notion that defending Tyrod somehow "kept defensive coordinators up at night" is an absolute joke. 

 

A QB that can drop 375 yds passing and 4 passing TDs on you at any time is infinitely more dangerous than a QB who can only throw for 200 yards passing (on a very good day, let's be honest), 2 TDs, 40 yds rushing and maybe 1 rush TD. 

 

If I'm a DC, I let Taylor scramble around all day -- he's never going to score quickly and often. I'll take giving up 240 total yards at Tyrod's best as opposed to 375 to a real QB. 

Your idea of 'a real QB' needing to throw for 375 and 4tds regularly is entitled, unrealistic and silly. Its akin to being the creepy dude who only hits on girls that he thinks are 10's, and that dude never gets laid.

Edited June 4, 2018 by MURPHD6

[grb]

On 6/3/2018 at 12:08 PM, Zebrastripes said:

Yet shady still finished 4th in yards.  Don't just cherry pick numbers to help your argument.  Look at the overall season.  Nice try though.

 

Your quote : "Two games with under 100 passing yards and 6 more with under 200 really isn't doing enough to stay on a NFL team."

My response : The most important Bill player on offense last year had at least six stinker games, so maybe your logic is faulty.

Your counter-response : "You can't just pick out a handful of games"

 

Hilarious. You can't begin to make this bull**** up........

 

Edited June 4, 2018 by grb

[GunnerBill]

9 hours ago, MURPHD6 said:

And they still think that, and that the offense is somehow going to magically improve with AJ.

People still wont give him credit for averaging between 5 to 6 yards per carry during his tenure in Buffalo. Or the extra 500 to 600 yards and 4 to 6 tds that his rushing contributed to the offense each year.

 

For most posters those numbers don't count or even exist, or a silly 4th quarter comeback stat that Aaron Rogers rates lower at is more important. But those contributions did matter and they were pretty damn significant for the teams total offense when added to his passing. And he's right to say that, because in the end he accounted for more points than well over half the Qbs in the league.

 

You can be both in the camp that wanted to move on from Tyrod and that camp that does not think AJ McCarron will be an upgrade. Some people were ABTs - anyone but Tyrod - I wasn't. I just thought sticking with Tyrod was tying yourself to a road to average.  I expect McCarron to be about the same as Tyrod as a passer - safe, conservative, sporadic moving the offense but a competitor and a game manager - and less than Tyrod as a runner (though he isn't totally immobile). The point to moving on from Tyrod was never about whether you could get similar play for a year or two from an AJ McCarron or a Case Keenum (as I advocated a year ago) it was about getting away from the baggage of having your former established starter sitting ahead of the guy who you really hope is the future - which we now know is Josh Allen.   

[The Red King]

TT was far, far from a nightmare on defensive coordinators.  I can see the war room now.

 

"How do we stop Tyrod?"

"Stack the box, put eleven men, two cheerleaders and an assistant coach in there.  Take away the run game and the short passing game."

"But what if Tyrod takes advantage of that and burns us by throwing deep?"

 

*room erupts in laughter*

 

"Stack the box.  Moving on..."

[Teddy KGB]

10 minutes ago, grb said:

 

Your quote : "Two games with under 100 passing yards and 6 more with under 200 really isn't doing enough to stay on a NFL team."

My response : The most important Bill player on offense last year had at least six stinker games, so maybe your logic is faulty.

Your counter-response : "You can't just pick out a handful of games"

 

Hilarious. You can't begin make this bull**** up........

 

Are they as hilarious as the Tyrod doesn’t stink because x and y = b divided by Jupiter’s barometric pressure posts that you’ve shown us 24,000 times ? 

 

Bortles won bud, COT doesn’t preach here anymore.