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13 minutes ago, PeterGriffin said:

Yup, and this suggests he took the league by storm and opponents didn't know how to stop him in 2015.

 

He was figured out somewhat in 2016

 

Then figured out even more in 2017

 

I expect he'll get even more shut down in 2018.

 

IMO of course.

I was about to make this same point.  When defenses kept him inside the pocket and made him be a quarterback he often struggled.  He kind of reminded me of Flutie on that regard.  If teams get pressure from the DE's and assigned an athletic LB as a QB spy you saw a lot of three and outs.  

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22 hours ago, grb said:

 

Here we go again : "you still see the same limitations no matter who is on the field"

 

Really? Taylor had Watkins and Woods on the field only fifteen games over two years. That's only time he ever played with a legitimate number One & Two receiver of decent NFL grade. His remaining time as a Bill he had receivers delivered to the stadium by ambulance from the local intensive care ward. Or scrappings from other team's practice squad. Plus one very over-whelmed under-performing rookie. So, I guess it's informative to see how he performed those 15 games in '15 and '16 :

  • 63.6% comp. 8.25 ypa. 27 TD passes. 6 int

Of course that's an imperfect yardstick to grade a quarterback even if it addresses the comment above, so perhaps it's better to take the single season of '15, when Taylor was 7th by NFL passer rating and averaged 8 yards an attempt. Here's the bottom line :

  • Taylor gets no credit here for playing well the very limited time the Bills put a decent offensive team around him.
  • Taylor gets no credit here for wins, which supposedly (always) had nothing to do with him. Strangely, the exact opposite was true of losses
  • Taylor gets no credit here for the Bills going to the playoffs. No contribution whatsoever......

So you'd think it's impossible for Taylor to get any credit at all, but that shows a poor understanding of Billsy Mentality. There's one exception :

  • Success on another team.

 

 

 

This. 

 

People seem to think the Bills won inspite of Tyrod last season. It's just not the case.

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3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Hear, hear!

 

if you believe the media, better get your rosary beads out......:thumbsup:

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7 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

This. 

 

People seem to think the Bills won inspite of Tyrod last season. It's just not the case.

2800 yards and 14 TDs boy oh boy was he a catalyst last year. 

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11 hours ago, grb said:

Context !!!  After all, a feature running back averaging 27.3 yards at 1.82 yards a carry over six games of a season might fail to meet your lofty standards.

 

McCoy's ypc dropped 1.4 from 2016.

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10 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

McCoy's ypc dropped 1.4 from 2016.

the whole offense relapsed under Dennison.

 I missed Lynn and Kromer last year.

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3 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Good point.

 

The second issue with comparing them as a metric of QB productivity, is the need to consider the overall offensive scheme. 

In 2017, the Rams passed 53% of their QB plays from scrimmage (eg not including punts, FGA etc).  In 2015, the Bills ran 52% of their QB plays from scrimmage. 

 

The Rams in 2017 had the #1 offense in the league for points scored.  The 2015 Bills were #12 - I think  top 10 projecting the Tyrod games to 16.  So clearly overall the Rams were running a more effective offense in 2017 than the Bills in 2015.

 

 

I think you're referring to 2016: iirc in 2015 Taylor missed the Bengals and Jaguars games which we scored 21 and 31 points respectively...that year we scored 379 points total which was good for 12th at 23.68 ppg. Those two games actually brought up the average, if you project Taylor's games to 16 it actually takes the scoring offense from 12th to 15th I believe.

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3 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

QBR is just bad.  I'm not sure it's even properly characterized as a stat: there are a number of what are essentially 'opinions' about the importance of different plays at different points in the game, how much pressure a QB is under etc. folded into it.   " Unlike the NFL passer rating, ESPN has not yet been forthcoming on the exact specific formulas and procedures to calculate QBR.[7] The proprietary, complex methodology spans some 10,000 lines of code" (that's after various assessments off film are folded into it)

 

 

I think purely on an offensive output basis, Tyrod could arguably the better choice here for 1 more season.  Looked at objectively,AJM to date (while a better pocket QB) had similar passing production in his limited NFL games, and lacks the run contributions of Taylor.  I think the Bills moved on for a number of factors beyond pure offensive output, and I'm OK with that choice.  Sometimes "good" (or average, or mediocre, or whatever word one prefers) is the enemy of "great" IOW one has to risk possibly taking a drop in performance in order to set up for an improvement.

True, AJs passing yards in total per game are similar but I equate that to a coach not putting too much on their 2nd year backup. 

 

As a sophomore AJ went 2-2 as a starter.  He lost 1 game in OT to the (soon to be) SB winners in the regular season and because of 2 back to back blunders on defense with a 1 point lead lost the game as those 30 yards of penalties put the Steelers in FG range. 

 

2nd year players output to a 7th years players output.  

1 hour ago, 3rdand12 said:

the whole offense relapsed under Dennison.

 I missed Lynn and Kromer last year.

Tyrod best year was with Roman.  

 

A guy they fired because TT wasn’t improving in season 2 so the scapegoat became the OC (not once but 3 times).  

 

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1 hour ago, 3rdand12 said:

the whole offense relapsed under Dennison.

 I missed Lynn and Kromer last year.

 

McDermott and Dennison Rexed our offense.

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On 6/2/2018 at 7:16 AM, Zebrastripes said:

Two games with under 100 passing yards and 6 more with under 200 really isn't doing enough to stay on a NFL team.

 

And only one game in 3 seasons as the starter over 300 (just barely), and it took OT to hit that.

Not many starting QB's get 3 full years "leading" an offense that was dead last or close to dead last, in passing with those kind of numbers.

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44 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

McDermott and Dennison Rexed our offense.

Tay Tay Rexed our offense.   

 

3 seasons which regressed every season.  

 

The improved defense and a guy nicknamed HouseMoney saved the Bills past season with a record # of 50 plus yard FGs.  

 

Occums razor says look at the common denominator T2

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2 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

I think you're referring to 2016: iirc in 2015 Taylor missed the Bengals and Jaguars games which we scored 21 and 31 points respectively...that year we scored 379 points total which was good for 12th at 23.68 ppg. Those two games actually brought up the average, if you project Taylor's games to 16 it actually takes the scoring offense from 12th to 15th I believe.

 

I accept your word, I didn't dig deep myself.

 

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1 hour ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

True, AJs passing yards in total per game are similar but I equate that to a coach not putting too much on their 2nd year backup.

 

It could be.  He did rack up more yards the game that he took over after Dalton was injured.

 

OTOH there are a bunch of film analyses of those games out there that point out where he lacked the precision or arm zing to fit the ball into available holes, and where he made the throw but it was just enough off target to preclude YAC.  And he did have some amazing WR.    So it might be he couldn't generate

more offense.

 

On the third hand, maybe he's taken a step in his abilities to read a defense etc.

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Tyrod came to Buffalo after being a backup in Baltimore to end up bouncing teams to be a backup somewhere else. Enjoy your one year as a starter if you even get that. Browns know what they got in him so they drafted his replacement before he even played a snap. He better learn to be a backup or he will be out of this league pretty fast.

 

Tyrod has done enough to stay, haha. Team 3 has already determined not enough to stay as a starter. Didn't he say the same thing when Baltimore said goodbye to him?

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3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

It could be.  He did rack up more yards the game that he took over after Dalton was injured.

 

OTOH there are a bunch of film analyses of those games out there that point out where he lacked the precision or arm zing to fit the ball into available holes, and where he made the throw but it was just enough off target to preclude YAC.  And he did have some amazing WR.    So it might be he couldn't generate

more offense.

 

On the third hand, maybe he's taken a step in his abilities to read a defense etc.

All we can do is hope he’s stepped it up.   

 

 

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9 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

All we can do is hope he’s stepped it up.   

 

 

To step up would be great but..

I'm not expecting much from him, IMO AJ is a backup and will end up continuing as a backup throughout his career. AJ is just a holder for a short time. IMO Peterman could end up better with time so saying that IMO shows where I feel AJ will ever be, backup at best. Who is the better backup to stay after this season when Allen takes over, AJ or Peterman, looks like both arms are in the same category so this season is battle of the backups of who stays in 2019 IMO. 

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I honestly don't know why Tyrod is excited.  He's gonna be put in the same situation after this season when Cleveland decides to start Baker in 2019.  I'll give Tyrod credit though cuz he does handle it well.  I'm not too worried about the stats he put up, with the exception of his turnover ratio.  Yeah de didn't turn the ball over much, but at the same time, how many 3 & outs did we have under Tyrod.  To me, that's the same as a turnover cuz we couldn't push the ball down the field.  Additionally, until he establishes himself as a clutch QB, he won't be able to make it in this league as an every year starter.  He is still relatively young in his career, so he has the opportunity to turn things around, I do wish him the best.  It just won't be in Cleveland.  Sorry Tyrod, Cleveland already drafted your replacement.

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34 minutes ago, Circlethewagon8404 said:

I honestly don't know why Tyrod is excited.  He's gonna be put in the same situation after this season when Cleveland decides to start Baker in 2019.  I'll give Tyrod credit though cuz he does handle it well.  I'm not too worried about the stats he put up, with the exception of his turnover ratio.  Yeah de didn't turn the ball over much, but at the same time, how many 3 & outs did we have under Tyrod.  To me, that's the same as a turnover cuz we couldn't push the ball down the field.  Additionally, until he establishes himself as a clutch QB, he won't be able to make it in this league as an every year starter.  He is still relatively young in his career, so he has the opportunity to turn things around, I do wish him the best.  It just won't be in Cleveland.  Sorry Tyrod, Cleveland already drafted your replacement.

Let me get this straight. 3 and out and a flip of the field is the same as a Potentially field shortening turnover?...

 

Geez, dude. 

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1 hour ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

Tay Tay Rexed our offense.   

 

3 seasons which regressed every season.  

 

The improved defense and a guy nicknamed HouseMoney saved the Bills past season with a record # of 50 plus yard FGs.  

 

Occums razor says look at the common denominator T2

Lol. Awful, awful take. If you want to say anyone ruined the offense it is McDermott with his choice of offensive coaching hires and offensive personnel decisions last offseason.

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Just now, ScottLaw said:

Lol. Awful, awful take. If you want to say anyone ruined the offense it is McDermott with his choice of offensive coaching hires and offensive personnel decisions last offseason.

Scott,  You can be all confused by my post.  It’s ok.  We know how love blind you are with TT. 

 

Have fun chatting with your new Browns friends. I’m sure that would appreciate a bright outlook.  

 

Make him a QB.  

 

/mic drop

If it weren’t for House$ the Bills would be lucky to have won  6 or 7 games.  

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20 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Lol. Awful, awful take. If you want to say anyone ruined the offense it is McDermott with his choice of offensive coaching hires and offensive personnel decisions last offseason.

 

You’re the king of awful takes on Taylor. 

 

Tyrod Taylor = TJ Yates, Ryan Lindley, Tarvaris Jackson when it comes to playoff performances. 

 

Osweiler would have been an upgrade over your crush.  

 

Stop making the excuse machine work overtime.    

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18 hours ago, twoandfourteen said:

 

It's called the "wishbone".

 

 

i don't know about all that. i think that greg roman did a good job with taylor while he was here. some read option, lots of boots and roll outs, a downfield passing attack that utilized the sidelines to minimize the chance of turnover. tyrod was not without ability, and certainly had strengths. we all know his limitations, but he was far from an awful qb.

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This is why McDermott and Beane moved on from Taylor. They don’t feel the same way so they did the best thing for Taylor and the team. 

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If the defense didn't force turnovers as much as it did, do you think the Bills would have won as many games? I would like to see what another QB does with that many extra possessions in games. 

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1 hour ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

Scott,  You can be all confused by my post.  It’s ok.  We know how love blind you are with TT. 

 

Have fun chatting with your new Browns friends. I’m sure that would appreciate a bright outlook.  

 

Make him a QB.  

 

/mic drop

If it weren’t for House$ the Bills would be lucky to have won  6 or 7 games.  

 

Taylor regressed in his play as a QB in Buffalo over the last 3 years.

 

You've regressed as a poster over the last 3 years since you've been posting about him.

 

You're still with us, he's not. Maybe we should talk about you.

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