Roethlisberger publically questions Steelers using 3rd pick on QB

[maryland-bills-fan]

Rudolph was a steal in the 3rd round and, except for the large number of highly rated QB this year, would have been a low 1st, high 2nd round pick.   Pittsburg is usually going to be drafting in the 16+ slot and can not expect at getting a consensus top QB in the draft, without giving up something more than two years of 1st and 2nd round picks. ... so, taking two or three 1-for-4 shots for the replacement QB, rather than a very expensive 1-for2 shots is a smart move to do.    Rapensberger seems to be a self-centere butthead because the team put the team's interest over Ben's selfish interest.

Edited May 5, 2018 by maryland-bills-fan

[ColoradoBills]

Ben becomes a FA after next season.  That could be his last with PIT.

[SoTier]

18 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

He's a moron. 

 

You beat me to it.  Roethlisberger may be a great QB on the field, but off the field, he's rivals your average golden retriever in IQ.

[/dev/null]

2 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

Ben becomes a FA after next season.  That could be his last with PIT.

Or maybe he's posturing for a contract renegotiation

 

4 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

You beat me to it.  Roethlisberger may be a great QB on the field, but off the field, he's rivals your average golden retriever in IQ.

Golden Retriever's are actually quite smart

[BadLandsMeanie]

I think the less Rudolph has to do with Roethlisberger, the better.

[ColoradoBills]

2 minutes ago, /dev/null said:

Or maybe he's posturing for a contract renegotiation

 

Golden Retriever's are actually quite smart

 

PIT can't get Le'Veon Bell signed and are in a cap crunch next year too.

If Ben is thinking on more money in a extension contract good luck, especially after all his retirement talk.

But....................one never knows.

[PromoTheRobot]

18 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Shut up, Ben.  Do you hear Brady b*tching in public about all the QB New England has drafted in rounds where they could get a really good player who could help the team win now?  Which team has won more?

 

But notice the Pats drafted a QB no one ever heard of and passed on every QB that had any rep.

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

The Steelers have so many weapons and a solid O-Line, I could see Foles going there and winning a Super Bowl. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

35 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

But notice the Pats drafted a QB no one ever heard of and passed on every QB that had any rep.

 

Not sure what's your point? 

 

NE has used 2 - 3rd round picks and a 2nd on QB in the last 8 years.  Not every year, every 2 or 3 years.

 

Steelers have used 2 4ths and a 5th in the same time frame.  

 

 

 

[PromoTheRobot]

3 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Not sure what's your point? 

 

NE has used 2 - 3rd round picks and a 2nd on QB in the last 8 years.  Not every year, every 2 or 3 years.

 

Steelers have used 2 4ths and a 5th in the same time frame.  

 

 

 

 

My point is right after (supposedly) Brady had Jimmy G shipped out of Foxboro, Belichick drafts an absolute nobody in 2018 instead of a Lamar Jackson, Mason Rudolph, Kyle Lauletta, etc. Brady doesn't cry (in public at least) because he's Krafty Bob's boy.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

8 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

My point is right after (supposedly) Brady had Jimmy G shipped out of Foxboro, Belichick drafts an absolute nobody in 2018 instead of a Lamar Jackson, Mason Rudolph, Kyle Lauletta, etc. Brady doesn't cry (in public at least) because he's Krafty Bob's boy.

 

'K thanks for clarifying. 

 

I'm sure there's some truth to that.  OTOH, Jimmy G was going into free agency and reportedly refused to sign a contract that gave him a pretty hefty salary - I believe it was said to be $18M with a lot of guarantees.  The "smart GM" thing in that case is to get something, rather than nothing (analogous to what we did with Sammy Watkins).

 

Belichek could have not drafted a QB higher for a number of reasons:

1) no one he liked well enough

2) eschewing backup QB in favor of other positions to hopefully get them a SB win

3) he's putting on his "walking shoes" and if he leaves the Pats*** with an empty QB pantry, he doesn't care

[DriveFor1Outta5]

5 hours ago, /dev/null said:

Or maybe he's posturing for a contract renegotiation

 

Golden Retriever's are actually quite smart

Yep, and they even do a better job of understanding consent than Ben.

[SoTier]

20 hours ago, BadLandsMeanie said:

I think he is the best example of how much a first impression can carry you far.

 

He won the superbowl early on and has been much less effective ever since. He has also been a negative in terms of leadership and personality and obviously his off field behavior.

 

The Stillers in general have been "much less effective" since they won their last SB.  In recent years, their defense simply hasn't been as good as it needs to be for them to win in the playoffs, especially when they play in the same conference with Brady and the Pats, and their cap troubles have limited their ability to fix it.   Getting together a good enough team to be true Super Bowl contenders under the salary cap is a major problem for just about all of the teams with great QBs ... except for NE.

[Beast]

They’ll be the Pittsburgh Steelers long after he retires, not the Pittsburgh Roethlisbergers. 

[Mr. WEO]

On May 4, 2018 at 9:37 PM, MrEpsYtown said:

He's a dick, but he is right. If you are trying to win now you use that third rounder to help try to win a Super Bowl. 

 

 

So true!  The Seahawks did exactly that in 2012....

 

Look it up

 

[Augie]

On 5/5/2018 at 2:20 PM, maryland-bills-fan said:

Rudolph was a steal in the 3rd round and, except for the large number of highly rated QB this year, would have been a low 1st, high 2nd round pick.   Pittsburg is usually going to be drafting in the 16+ slot and can not expect at getting a consensus top QB in the draft, without giving up something more than two years of 1st and 2nd round picks. ... so, taking two or three 1-for-4 shots for the replacement QB, rather than a very expensive 1-for2 shots is a smart move to do.    Rapensberger seems to be a self-centere butthead because the team put the team's interest over Ben's selfish interest.

 

Wouldn’t it be GREAT if Ben was shown the door after another season or two??!!  “Sorry Ben, but remember when you said maybe you just don’t have it anymore? You were right!” 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

On 5/5/2018 at 2:57 PM, SoTier said:

You beat me to it.  Roethlisberger may be a great QB on the field, but off the field, he's rivals your average golden retriever in IQ.

 

You know, I've known some pretty smart Golden Retrievers.

[MrEpsYtown]

2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

So true!  The Seahawks did exactly that in 2012....

 

Look it up

 

Ah yes that one time with that one guy (who actually had talent) for that one team that didn't have a quarterback. Great odds! 

Edited May 7, 2018 by MrEpsYtown

[Mr. WEO]

14 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said:

Ah yes that one time with that one guy (who actually had talent) for that one team that didn't have a quarterback. Great odds! 

 

 

You're the one that claimed a 3rd rounder would "help you win a super bowl".....

 

By the way, the Seahawks did have a QB when they drafted Wilson.  They had just spent 25 million on FA Matt Flynn to be their starter.

[MrEpsYtown]

11 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

You're the one that claimed a 3rd rounder would "help you win a super bowl".....

 

By the way, the Seahawks did have a QB when they drafted Wilson.  They had just spent 25 million on FA Matt Flynn to be their starter.

 

My point is that they need to surround their franchise quarterback, who only has a couple of years to go, with some more talent. It doesn't make sense to draft Rudolph there. Ben is right JMO.  

 

And Matt Flynn does not equal Big Ben in any way. It is a totally different situation you are bringing to the table man. 

[Mr. WEO]

15 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

 

My point is that they need to surround their franchise quarterback, who only has a couple of years to go, with some more talent. It doesn't make sense to draft Rudolph there. Ben is right JMO.  

 

And Matt Flynn does not equal Big Ben in any way. It is a totally different situation you are bringing to the table man. 

 

 

Again, I didn't bring this to the table. 

 

What 3rd rounder is going to help this team get to the SB?  They are loaded on offense, and have been.  What D rookie in the 3rd would be surrounding the QB with talent?

 

I mention Wilson as an ironic counterpoint  to your claim that picking the backup QB in the 3rd wouldn't help the team go to the SB... because that's pretty much the only time any 3rd rounder did that...

[MrEpsYtown]

25 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

Again, I didn't bring this to the table. 

 

What 3rd rounder is going to help this team get to the SB?  They are loaded on offense, and have been.  What D rookie in the 3rd would be surrounding the QB with talent?

 

I mention Wilson as an ironic counterpoint  to your claim that picking the backup QB in the 3rd wouldn't help the team go to the SB... because that's pretty much the only time any 3rd rounder did that...

 

Ok I gotcha. I think they have some holes on defense that need to be filled and they have depth issues there, but yeah I get you now.  Ironic counterpoints can be confusing on the interwebs! 

[TigerJ]

He's in his late thirties with the maturity and wisdom of a 15 year old.  You expect 15 year olds to do and say stupid thngs once in a while, but when your veteran QB does it, it can't be good for the locker room.

[eball]

I'd pile on Big Ben here, but it seems that just about everything has been said.

 

What a maroon.

[Taro T]

Is it any surprise that a guy as self centered as one that would be suspended by the league over events he put in motion in a night club bathroom would be upset that the team was looking at the long range picture rather than what specifically would benefit him the most?

[Soda Popinski]

On 5/4/2018 at 10:13 PM, YoloinOhio said:

One thing is apparent ... Ben isn’t on the TB12 diet 

I think he's getting a steady diet of Arby's Beef n Cheddar  and the Roethlisburger special at Primanti's sandwiches.   

[26CornerBlitz]

From Andy Benoit.

 

Ben Roethlisberger didn’t understand the Mason Rudolph pick
And why would he? It makes no sense. The Steelers have a Super Bowl ready team now. They have a serviceable veteran backup quarterback in Landry Jones, and behind him, last year’s fourth-round pick, Josh Dobbs. Yes, Roethlisberger has publicly contemplated retirement the last couple of years. But if the Steelers really thought Rudolph could be Roethlisberger’s heir, they would have drafted him with their late-first or late-second-round pick. So when Roethlisberger wonders aloud if the team feels it missed on the Dobbs pick… he’s merely reading the boldfaced writing on the wall. It’s the first thing every Steelers reporter and fan should have asked.

[section122]

8 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

From Andy Benoit.

 

Ben Roethlisberger didn’t understand the Mason Rudolph pick
They have a serviceable veteran backup quarterback in Landry Jones

 

Landry Jones is due to be a fa at the end of the year.  It took me about 5 seconds to Google that.  Weak from Andy benoit there.

 

Bigger story here should be why is future hofer big Ben worried about the guy behind him on the depth chart?

[26CornerBlitz]

1 minute ago, section122 said:

 

Landry Jones is due to be a fa at the end of the year.  It took me about 5 seconds to Google that.  Weak from Andy benoit there.

 

Bigger story here should be why is future hofer big Ben worried about the guy behind him on the depth chart?

 

Did you google that they just drafted Josh Dobbs last year as Benoit mentioned? 

[section122]

Just now, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Did you google that they just drafted Josh Dobbs last year as Benoit mentioned? 

 

When would a 4th round draft pick ever preclude someone from drafting the same position?  Both dobbs and landry (who most certainly won't be back) were 4th round picks.  If Dobbs got cut would it really be a big deal?  By year 2 only 74.1% of players are on the team that drafted them.  By year 3 that number drops to 54.3.

 

To dig further, what if they had a 1st round grade on Rudolph and only took him because he was far and away the top player on their board? A little more googling and I found this: https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/ben-roethlisberger-texted-mason-rudolph-before-the-start-of-steelers-rookie-minicamp/.  Which says the Steelers had him as a first round grade. 

 

Steelers are planning for life after Big Ben point blank period.  Big Ben doesn't want to admit how close to the end he is.  He's already threatened retirement.  I don't blame the Steelers one bit.

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, section122 said:

 

When would a 4th round draft pick ever preclude someone from drafting the same position?  Both dobbs and landry (who most certainly won't be back) were 4th round picks.  If Dobbs got cut would it really be a big deal?  By year 2 only 74.1% of players are on the team that drafted them.  By year 3 that number drops to 54.3.

 

To dig further, what if they had a 1st round grade on Rudolph and only took him because he was far and away the top player on their board? A little more googling and I found this: https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/ben-roethlisberger-texted-mason-rudolph-before-the-start-of-steelers-rookie-minicamp/.  Which says the Steelers had him as a first round grade. 

 

Steelers are planning for life after Big Ben point blank period.  Big Ben doesn't want to admit how close to the end he is.  He's already threatened retirement.  I don't blame the Steelers one bit.

 

It doesn't matter where Dobbs was drafted. 

[section122]

2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

It doesn't matter where Dobbs was drafted. 

 

Why not? If Dobbs was a first or second round pick I would be right there with you.  A 4th round pick isn't a significant investment.  It's a crapshoot.  Do you care to explain why you feel it doesn't matter where he was drafted because I don't understand that logic.

 

For the Bills do you have higher expectations for tremaine Edmunds or tarron johnson?  Would you be more disappointed if Edmunds got cut before next year or johnson?

[26CornerBlitz]

3 minutes ago, section122 said:

 

Why not? If Dobbs was a first or second round pick I would be right there with you.  A 4th round pick isn't a significant investment.  It's a crapshoot.  Do you care to explain why you feel it doesn't matter where he was drafted because I don't understand that logic.

 

For the Bills do you have higher expectations for tremaine Edmunds or tarron johnson?  Would you be more disappointed if Edmunds got cut before next year or johnson?

 

Once a player is on a team, where he was drafted no longer matters.  For example, Kyle Williams was in the same 2006 draft as John McCargo just as Stevie Johnson was in the same draft as James Hardy. 

[Fan in Chicago]

57 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

From Andy Benoit.

 

Ben Roethlisberger didn’t understand the Mason Rudolph pick
And why would he? It makes no sense. The Steelers have a Super Bowl ready team now. They have a serviceable veteran backup quarterback in Landry Jones, and behind him, last year’s fourth-round pick, Josh Dobbs. Yes, Roethlisberger has publicly contemplated retirement the last couple of years. But if the Steelers really thought Rudolph could be Roethlisberger’s heir, they would have drafted him with their late-first or late-second-round pick. So when Roethlisberger wonders aloud if the team feels it missed on the Dobbs pick… he’s merely reading the boldfaced writing on the wall. It’s the first thing every Steelers reporter and fan should have asked.

I kinda like Benoit but this logic makes little sense. He really doesnt comment on Rudolph's potential, if he was worthy of a 3rd round pick. I bet that if Rudolph was picked in round 1 or 2, they would have been criticized for reaching.

 

As for Big Ben, what a totally self-centered way of looking at the draft. He should have taken the classy route and mentored Rudolph for couple of years and ridden off into the sunset. Not saying he wont do it, but this is not a good way to start a guru-disciple relationship. Guy has been hobbling for a while and there is no way for even him to know if his skills can last 3-4 years. Even for his own sake, he should be focused on one more Superbowl and leaving his legacy as a Steeler team with a solid QB for the future. Instead he blew his chance for that positive first impression. 

 

[26CornerBlitz]

3 minutes ago, Fan in Chicago said:

I kinda like Benoit but this logic makes little sense. He really doesnt comment on Rudolph's potential, if he was worthy of a 3rd round pick. I bet that if Rudolph was picked in round 1 or 2, they would have been criticized for reaching.

 

As for Big Ben, what a totally self-centered way of looking at the draft. He should have taken the classy route and mentored Rudolph for couple of years and ridden off into the sunset. Not saying he wont do it, but this is not a good way to start a guru-disciple relationship. Guy has been hobbling for a while and there is no way for even him to know if his skills can last 3-4 years. Even for his own sake, he should be focused on one more Superbowl and leaving his legacy as a Steeler team with a solid QB for the future. Instead he blew his chance for that positive first impression. 

 

 

Plenty of great NFL QBs have had the same posture when their teams select another QB behind them so it's not all that uncommon or surprising. 

[4merper4mer]

8 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Plenty of great NFL QBs have had the same posture when their teams select another QB behind them so it's not all that uncommon or surprising. 

You contribute a lot to this board with very useful topics and links but sometimes you pick the weirdest fights.

[Fan in Chicago]

18 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Plenty of great NFL QBs have had the same posture when their teams select another QB behind them so it's not all that uncommon or surprising. 

Doesnt make it right or classy

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, Fan in Chicago said:

Doesnt make it right or classy

 

Alpha male QB personality. It is what it is as they say. 

[Fan in Chicago]

1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Alpha male QB personality. It is what it is as they say. 

Again, not my point. Are you excusing Ben's quotes ? I am not understanding your position on this point. 

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, Fan in Chicago said:

Again, not my point. Are you excusing Ben's quotes ? I am not understanding your position on this point. 

 

The point is that drafting Rudolph with a 3rd round pick and the Steelers in postion to contend for a title makes no sense to him. I get that.