Wayne Arnold Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 (edited) ...at some college named Southwestern Louisiana. How in the hell am I supposed to have faith that he can develop our project 22 year old QB into something resembling a franchise quarterback? Daboll has at least coached quarterbacks a couple of times in the current millennium...although to meh results. Not to mention is poor record as an NFL OC. We're all supposed to believe that this is all going to turn out just fine and dandy?! Talk about blind faith... Edited May 2, 2018 by Wayne Arnold 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 (edited) I've been trying to stay optimistic but that sounds like a disaster. Not happy at all if this is true. Want QB coaches with youth, but some pedigree, that's actually relatable and is following passing development. Anybody remember Major Applewhite from the longhorns? I'd hire him in a heartbeat Us arsehole millennials want a coach that gets us . Sean mcvay style, McDermott style Edited May 2, 2018 by PetermanThrew5Picks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted May 2, 2018 Author Share Posted May 2, 2018 2 minutes ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said: I've been trying to stay optimistic but that sounds like a disaster. Not happy at all if this is true. Want QB coaches with youth, but some pedigree, that's actually relatable and is following passing development. Anybody remember Major Applewhite from the longhorns? I'd hire him in a heartbeat Applewhite is a college head coach. Why in the hell would he leave that job for an assistant coach job in Western New York? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 (edited) Does the coach make the QB or does the QB make the coach? How many times have these so called QB/offensive gurus been hired by a franchise to work some of their magic and it doesnt work out bc they cant work miracles. Edited May 2, 2018 by bobobonators Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 Just now, Wayne Arnold said: Applewhite is a college head coach. Why in the hell would he leave that job for an assistant coach job in Western New York? I had no idea just saying that's the type I want. Where does he coach? I'll pay him whatever he wants Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 (edited) I've been bringing this up since he was first hired. It's still a concern. But that said, I went back to the last staff that was highly successful in building up a high pick project QB. The 1999/2000 Eagles with McNabb. Notice any familiar names?... Head coaches Head Coach – Andy Reid Assistant to the Head Coach – Sean McDermott Offensive coaches Offensive Coordinator – Rod Dowhower Quarterbacks – Brad Childress Running Backs – Ted Williams Wide Receivers – David Culley Plus, looking at what Daboll did last year with a true freshman, Tua Tagovailoa, and the air attack they put on in the 2nd half of the National Championship... I'll give them the benefit of the doubt for now. Edited May 2, 2018 by DrDawkinstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 Last time I will address this because I have 100 times already and can’t keep typing it out lol Yes, Culley has not been a QB coach for a long time, but that doesn’t mean he isn’t very capable Culley is super respected in coaching circles and has the respect of some of the best minds in the game. He is a technician, and harps on fundamentals and repetition and Xs and Os... he was a savant as a WR coach, all about the details He brought that 100% to the QB room. I have seen good WR coaches become good QB coaches and vice versa He is not a WR coach by trade he is a FOOTBALL coach with vast amounts of knowledge 6 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted May 2, 2018 Author Share Posted May 2, 2018 Just now, PetermanThrew5Picks said: I had no idea just saying that's the type I want. Where does he coach? Houston Cougars 1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said: Last time I will address this because I have 100 times already and can’t keep typing it out lol Yes, Culley has not been a QB coach for a long time, but that doesn’t mean he isn’t very capable Culley is super respected in coaching circles and has the respect of some of the best minds in the game. He is a technician, and harps on fundamentals and repetition and Xs and Os... he was a savant as a WR coach, all about the details He brought that 100% to the QB room. I have seen good WR coaches become good QB coaches and vice versa He is not a WR coach by trade he is a FOOTBALL coach with vast amounts of knowledge Good info, thank you. It is promising that Andy Reid thought enough of him to give him the Assistant Head Coach title in KC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 Doomed!!! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 13 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said: ...at some college named Southwestern Louisiana. How in the hell am I supposed to have faith that he can develop our project 22 year old QB into something resembling a franchise quarterback? Daboll has at least coached quarterbacks a couple of times in the current millennium...although to meh results. Not to mention is poor record as an NFL OC. We're all supposed to believe that this is all going to turn out just fine and dandy?! Talk about blind faith... A QB coach isn't going to make or break a player. Some teams don't even have a QB coach. Daboll is going to be his main developer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddy Hix Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 Trust the process? I’ll be honest, my trust is waning. But at this point we are committed to seeing this relic of a process through and I’m hoping for the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanbillsfan2206 Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 Welp, time to go eat a tide pod. Maybe wash it down with some bleach.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 Just now, Royale with Cheese said: A QB coach isn't going to make or break a player. Some teams don't even have a QB coach. Daboll is going to be his main developer. Keep telling yourself that Royale! If I had 2 weeks with Brady back in 2000 I coulda ruined him I tell ya! Ruined him!! 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: A QB coach isn't going to make or break a player. Some teams don't even have a QB coach. Daboll is going to be his main developer. Like the 2013 Bills and their rookie QB... We do need a good QB coach. Wentz has/had a great one. Prescott has a great one. The more we can align HC/OC/QB coach to be focused on QB development, the better. I agree that Daboll will have a big hand in development, but it should be on the QB coach too. 2 minutes ago, Buddy Hix said: Trust the process? I’ll be honest, my trust is waning. But at this point we are committed to seeing this relic of a process through and I’m hoping for the best. They are coming off the first playoff season in 17 years, and for the first time in franchise history used their 1st overall pick on a top QB prospect. Why is your trust waning now? Edited May 2, 2018 by DrDawkinstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir andrew Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 Word on the street is that he does make a mean Reuben sandwich, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 Huuuummmmmmmmm Seems very strange that Daball could have fired him but refused to do so... Maybe the fans don't know everything here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said: Like the 2013 Bills and their rookie QB... We do need a good QB coach. Wentz has/had a great one. Prescott has a great one. The more we can align HC/OC/QB coach to be focused on QB development, the better. I agree that Daboll will have a big hand in development, but it should be on the QB coach too. The 2018 Bills do have a QB coach. I think the transition between WR and QB isn't going to be difficult as far as coaching. I think it's an advantage he's done both. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 Just now, Royale with Cheese said: The 2018 Bills do have a QB coach. I think the transition between WR and QB isn't going to be difficult as far as coaching. I think it's an advantage he's done both. Agreed, Im not that worried about the transition for a coach who has been around as long as Culley and who is so highly regarded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 Just now, DrDawkinstein said: Agreed, Im not that worried about the transition for a coach who has been around as long as Culley and who is so highly regarded. Josh Allen doesn't need a QB coach.....A QB coach needs Josh Allen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irv Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 I really don't see the lack of experience as a problem. Sincerely, Trump 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 Just now, Royale with Cheese said: The 2018 Bills do have a QB coach. I think the transition between WR and QB isn't going to be difficult as far as coaching. I think it's an advantage he's done both. 100% . He knows how WRs think and react and what kinda plays they like After he gets close to Allen he will get an idea of what he likes to do on the field and you can gameplay and draw up plays that fit the strength of your offense and QB I think it’s a positive he connects with WRs and QBs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 McBean have talked a lot about Daboll working with Allen and they have said very little about Culley. So I think they expect Daboll to have a lot to do with his development. I still think they should Rob Chudzinski as an offensive assistant, and put him in charge of working with Allen exclusively. He's doing nothing right now and has a relationship with Beane and McDermott. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 3 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: McBean have talked a lot about Daboll working with Allen and they have said very little about Culley. So I think they expect Daboll to have a lot to do with his development. I still think they should Rob Chudzinski as an offensive assistant, and put him in charge of working with Allen exclusively. He's doing nothing right now and has a relationship with Beane and McDermott. I think adding any more coaches to the HC/OC/QBCoach chain gets you too many cooks in the kitchen. Those 3 resources should be aligned and preaching the same thing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 2 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: I think adding any more coaches to the HC/OC/QBCoach chain gets you too many cooks in the kitchen. Those 3 resources should be aligned and preaching the same thing. I would think Palmer makes sense since he's mostly recently worked with Allen.....and loves him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 (edited) I don't know anything about Culley other than what position he has coached and when. He could be awesome, he could be terrible. I doubt where you put your feet when you're supposed to be throwing changes much from year to year though, are we assuming he forgot? We've had "gurus" on the staff before and they haven't done a thing for our QBs, I don't really think most of us are qualified to determine who is good at that job and who is bad. Edited May 2, 2018 by ndirish1978 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 Ohhh Jonny Flynn.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted May 2, 2018 Author Share Posted May 2, 2018 17 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: The 2018 Bills do have a QB coach. I think the transition between WR and QB isn't going to be difficult as far as coaching. I think it's an advantage he's done both. My guess is that McDermott was looking for a great teacher regardless of his QB experience. If a person has the proven attributes necessary to be considered a great teacher, it really doesn't make much of a difference what the subject matter is. 4 minutes ago, Jay_Fixit said: Ohhh Jonny Flynn.... It's amazing the number of posters who remember me under a different user name. Yet I have no idea who they are. I must be doing something right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 27 minutes ago, Buddy Hix said: Trust the process? I’ll be honest, my trust is waning. But at this point we are committed to seeing this relic of a process through and I’m hoping for the best. It's understandable how quickly you are losing patience.....they've been at it for a whole year and Bills haven't made the playoffs in the last 5 months. It's almost time to clean house again. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. ChumChums Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 36 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Last time I will address this because I have 100 times already and can’t keep typing it out lol Yes, Culley has not been a QB coach for a long time, but that doesn’t mean he isn’t very capable Culley is super respected in coaching circles and has the respect of some of the best minds in the game. He is a technician, and harps on fundamentals and repetition and Xs and Os... he was a savant as a WR coach, all about the details He brought that 100% to the QB room. I have seen good WR coaches become good QB coaches and vice versa He is not a WR coach by trade he is a FOOTBALL coach with vast amounts of knowledge Seems like people don't get this, so I'm reposting this this in the thread. That way you don't have to keep on typing it out. Great info, and the more people that see it, the smarter we (as fans) will be collectively. Don't worry, everyone - the house is NOT on fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 4 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said: It's amazing the number of posters who remember me under a different user name. Yet I have no idea who they are. I must be doing something right. I think most of us liken your posts to his NBA career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted May 2, 2018 Author Share Posted May 2, 2018 4 minutes ago, Jay_Fixit said: I think most of us liken your posts to his NBA career. Good one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 19 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: I think adding any more coaches to the HC/OC/QBCoach chain gets you too many cooks in the kitchen. Those 3 resources should be aligned and preaching the same thing. That's a good point. I just think that there needs to be someone on Allen all practice...as long as everyone is speaking the same language and are on the same page, I don't think it would be a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenhigh Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 52 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Last time I will address this because I have 100 times already and can’t keep typing it out lol Yes, Culley has not been a QB coach for a long time, but that doesn’t mean he isn’t very capable Culley is super respected in coaching circles and has the respect of some of the best minds in the game. He is a technician, and harps on fundamentals and repetition and Xs and Os... he was a savant as a WR coach, all about the details He brought that 100% to the QB room. I have seen good WR coaches become good QB coaches and vice versa He is not a WR coach by trade he is a FOOTBALL coach with vast amounts of knowledge How did you come about this information above? Do you know the guy personally? Play for him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 process the trust, Kevin Arnold’s brother. Process the trust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 1 hour ago, Wayne Arnold said: ...at some college named Southwestern Louisiana. How in the hell am I supposed to have faith that he can develop our project 22 year old QB into something resembling a franchise quarterback? Daboll has at least coached quarterbacks a couple of times in the current millennium...although to meh results. Not to mention is poor record as an NFL OC. We're all supposed to believe that this is all going to turn out just fine and dandy?! Talk about blind faith... I was scratching my head about him as a QB coach too. Seems like his position coaching has been most focused on WR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 4 minutes ago, Tenhigh said: How did you come about this information above? Do you know the guy personally? Play for him? I have never played for coach Culley unfortunately but I grew up on the field and in a press box and have served the game as a player, coach, mentor and scout I have never heard a bad word about Culley and everyone I speak too loves the guy and his knowledge. I was very excited when he joined the Bills organization. He is a Reid guy too and he has always spoken very highly of him 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 1 hour ago, Wayne Arnold said: Good info, thank you. It is promising that Andy Reid thought enough of him to give him the Assistant Head Coach title in KC. Good enough for me. Andy Reid is the best developer of QBs in league history, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoTom Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 Hopefully some knowledge will trickle down to Josh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 Two words of advice to OBD. - Please outsource. It's irresponsible If they don't bring anyone in to help this QB Corp out... Tyrod was bad last year, and Peterman was worse... I have trouble believing that Culley is competent enough to guide young talent. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elite Poster Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 Man if you aren't a homer around here you get ripped. It's sad. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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