Start Allen from Day 1/ QB competition

[26CornerBlitz]

2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Wentz, Winston, Mariota, Newton, RG3, Luck, Bradford, Bradford, Stafford, Sanchez, Ryan--those are just the recent guys.

 

Why won't Mayfield start?

 

Because the team is adamant that he won't in 2018.

[Soda Popinski]

10 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Because the team is adamant that he won't in 2018.

Hue is adamant.  I don't really know if the rest of the organization is on board with that.   

[Mr. WEO]

17 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Because the team is adamant that he won't in 2018.

 

Hue isn't the decision maker in that organization.  They wouldn't even tell the pick until the week of the draft.

[26CornerBlitz]

1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Hue isn't the decision maker in that organization.  They wouldn't even tell the pick until the week of the draft.

 

As the HC, he'll determine who plays and who doesn't.

[Mr. WEO]

Just now, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

As the HC, he'll determine who plays and who doesn't.

 

Is that how it goes in the NFL?

[Teddy KGB]

3 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Is that how it goes in the NFL?

 

Tyrod gets to lose to the Bengals, Ravens, and Steelers then it’s Mayfield time 

[BuffaloHokie13]

1 minute ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

Tyrod gets to lose to the Bengals, Ravens, and Steelers then it’s Mayfield time 

So he's starting until December?

[Teddy KGB]

1 minute ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

So he's starting until December?

 

Besides the good looks, muscles, and humongous bank account he’s in a tough place between Haley and Mayfield.  

 

Its gonna be a fun watch 

[BuffaloHokie13]

Just now, Teddy KGB said:

 

Besides the good looks, muscles, and humongous bank account he’s in a tough place between Haley and Mayfield.  

 

Its gonna be a fun watch 

I was just messing with you because they don't play the Bengals until the last week of November, so he can't lose to the Bengals until then

[mileena]

15 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Why week 5? Avoid the tough schedule to begin the season?

 

LOL. Baltimore, the Los Angeles Chargers, and Green Bay are not tough. Which of those teams made the playoffs last season? Are you scared of Joe Flacco or an aging Phillip Rivers? And Minnesota has a new mediocre QB. I expect the Bills to go 3-1 or 4-0 in this stretch.

14 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Did you write this BillsWire article from today? Nope! New thread! 

 

No, this topic should have been posted under the old thread as additional information. The posts should be merged.

 

Edited May 8, 2018 by mileena

[26CornerBlitz]

4 minutes ago, mileena said:

 

LOL. Baltimore, the Los Angeles Chargers, and Green Bay are not tough. Which of those teams made the playoffs last season? Are you scared of Joe Flacco or an aging Phillip Rivers? And Minnesota has a new mediocre QB. I expect the Bills to go 3-1 or 4-0 in this stretch.

 

No, this topic should have been posted under the old thread as additional information. The posts should be merged.

 

 

No one had posted in that thread for a week and why would I bury the article there. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, Bray Wyatt said:

I think Allen is going to surprise a lot of people

 

This would make me very delightedly ecstatically happy.

[PromoTheRobot]

32 minutes ago, mileena said:

 

It's a violation of the rules to post a redundant thread. Plus the thread will move to the top with your new post.

 

A rookie named Jim Kelly started his first game in the NFL. How did that turn out??

 

Rookie? He played three years in the USFL before his first snap in the NFL.

 

I'm amazed at the cookie-cutter mentality when it comes to players. Talent need to be developed and managed to get the most out of it.

 

Thankfully I have faith in McDermott and Dabol doing what's best for Allen. Unlike previous Bills regimes, they will not be pressured by fans or media.

[John from Riverside]

1 hour ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

Tyrod gets to lose to the Bengals, Ravens, and Steelers then it’s Mayfield time 

Tyrod huh?  Just Tyrod?  Does the rest of the team get to win?

 

 

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[Teddy KGB]

22 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Tyrod huh?  Just Tyrod?  Does the rest of the team get to win?

 

 

 

Yes, when Mayfield takes over. 

 

Thats enough crappy Browns QBs talk.   

 

Time for Allens rocket arm to make this franchise relevant. 

 

 

Edited May 8, 2018 by Teddy KGB

[John from Riverside]

13 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

Yes, when Mayfield takes over. 

 

Thats enough crappy Browns QBs talk.   

 

Time for Allens rocket arm to make this franchise relevant. 

 

 

I am truly sorry that Tyrod did not leave a flower on the pillow when he left in the middle of the night......he should have been more considerate to you.

[mannc]

2 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

This is a question that's impossible to answer for sure. But EJ progressively got worse from his first game with the Bills to his last game with the Bills. We can't know for sure how his career would have gone otherwise but there is decent evidence that starting him early ruined him.

Yep, impossible to prove either way, but EJ should have been more pro-ready than almost any other college QB, having started 40 or so games for a major program.  He should not have been overwhelmed.  It’s more likely that the tape (and opposing DCs) caught up with him, and let’s face it, even at his best, EJ was never really good.

[transplantbillsfan]

9 hours ago, Aussie Joe said:

 

He might be in 2018...

 

 

 

Yeah... he might... I don't think by much if at all, but he might.

[John from Riverside]

Just now, Teddy KGB said:

 

Says the guy defending a Qb who folded in 15 and 16 when needed. He then followed that up with a 3 point performance after Andy Dalton’s assist. 

 

You lose.    Good day.    

 

This is why we traded up for Josh Allen.   Enough excuses for failures. 

 

 

 

How about enough crying that Tyrod wouldnt take you to the prom?

 

He is gone.....get over it.

[Teddy KGB]

15 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

I am truly sorry that Tyrod did not leave a flower on the pillow when he left in the middle of the night......he should have been more considerate to you.

 

He folded when needed in 15, 16, and 17. 

 

This is is why Josh Allen is here 

 

No reason to sugarcoat that ?

 

 

Edited May 8, 2018 by Teddy KGB

[John from Riverside]

Just now, Teddy KGB said:

 

He folded when needed in 15, 16, and 17. 

 

This is is why Josh Allen is here 

Josh Allen is here because Tyrod did not improve and was not the answer.....

 

He is GONE....find another horse to beat into glue

[26CornerBlitz]

1 minute ago, John from Riverside said:

Josh Allen is here because Tyrod did not improve and was not the answer.....

 

He is GONE....find another horse to beat into glue

 

Exactly who this thread is about. 

[BillsFan17]

I'd honestly be very surprised if Mayfield didnt win the job in pre season, ala Wilson over Flynn.

[26CornerBlitz]

4 minutes ago, BillsFan17 said:

I'd honestly be very surprised if Mayfield didnt win the job in pre season, ala Wilson over Flynn.

 

Sounds like a lesson learned from the DeShone Kizer debacle.

 

Hue Jackson commits to Tyrod Taylor as Browns' starter after Baker Mayfield impresses

This weekend belonged to Baker Mayfield, who made his debut as the Browns' new franchise quarterback at rookie minicamp, but the 2018 season still belongs to Tyrod Taylor. On Friday, after Mayfield impressed at his first NFL practice, Browns coach Hue Jackson reemphasized that Taylor will remain the Browns' starter -- no matter what.

 

"I'm not going to back off of this," Jackson said, per Cleveland.com. "We can keep writing this narrative, Tyrod Taylor's the starting quarterback of this football team, and that won't change."

[Teddy KGB]

3 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Sounds like a lesson learned from the DeShone Kizer debacle.

 

Hue Jackson commits to Tyrod Taylor as Browns' starter after Baker Mayfield impresses

This weekend belonged to Baker Mayfield, who made his debut as the Browns' new franchise quarterback at rookie minicamp, but the 2018 season still belongs to Tyrod Taylor. On Friday, after Mayfield impressed at his first NFL practice, Browns coach Hue Jackson reemphasized that Taylor will remain the Browns' starter -- no matter what.

 

"I'm not going to back off of this," Jackson said, per Cleveland.com. "We can keep writing this narrative, Tyrod Taylor's the starting quarterback of this football team, and that won't change."

 

1-31 lol       

[Maine-iac]

Without mentioning arm strength someone tell me why Allen is so much better than McCarron.  I'm not saying AJ is better I just find it fascination that this thread is full of Taylor haters, people saying McCarron isn't going to be any good, yet outside of having "tremendous arm strength" there is not any more on film or paper to like about Allen then there is McCarron.  Matter of fact, on paper and on the field in college, McCarron probably has done more.  So then we have to talk development.  Who here in Buffalo is going to create the "franchise" QB that we just traded a first and two second round picks to land?  To address the thread topic I am fine with starting him day one or letting him sit and learn but it really doesn't matter either way if there is no veteran QB showing him the ropes or some Andy Reid like coach calling the plays and explaining the game to him. 

Edited May 8, 2018 by Maine-iac

[BillsFan17]

13 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Sounds like a lesson learned from the DeShone Kizer debacle.

 

Hue Jackson commits to Tyrod Taylor as Browns' starter after Baker Mayfield impresses

This weekend belonged to Baker Mayfield, who made his debut as the Browns' new franchise quarterback at rookie minicamp, but the 2018 season still belongs to Tyrod Taylor. On Friday, after Mayfield impressed at his first NFL practice, Browns coach Hue Jackson reemphasized that Taylor will remain the Browns' starter -- no matter what.

 

"I'm not going to back off of this," Jackson said, per Cleveland.com. "We can keep writing this narrative, Tyrod Taylor's the starting quarterback of this football team, and that won't change."

Not trying to be a jerk, you can show me all the articles you want, but there is no certainties in professional sports.

 

I have heard guarantees on a variety of fronts that held little water in the following days. 

 

I agree with Beans mentality on this, you have 52 other guys in that locker room, and to not put the QB on the field who gives them the best chance to win isnt right.

 

Moreover, Kizer has absolutely zero to do with this. Almost absolutely zero. Kizer wasn't the pick of this new regime, nor did he have the weapons that Clevelend had acquired this off season, no was Kizer a first overall pick, etc. 

[26CornerBlitz]

1 minute ago, BillsFan17 said:

Not trying to be a jerk, you can show me all the articles you want, but there is no certainties in professional sports.

 

I have heard guarantees on a variety of fronts that held little water in the following days. 

 

I agree with Beans mentality on this, you have 52 other guys in that locker room, and to not put the QB on the field who gives them the best chance to win isnt right.

 

Moreover, Kizer has absolutely zero to do with this. Almost absolutely zero. Kizer wasn't the pick of this new regime, nor did he have the weapons that Clevelend had acquired this off season, no was Kizer a first overall pick, etc. 

 

Hue was the coach last season who went back and forth on Kizer, so yes it is related. 

[BillsFan17]

7 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Hue was the coach last season who went back and forth on Kizer, so yes it is related. 

No it's not the circumstances are vastly different. Especially considering the word is the GM even his the pick from the staff, indicating exactly how much they care about Hue's opinion. If this front office sees Mayfield pulling ahead of Taylor, I cant see how they dont force Hue's hand. 

 

Again, could be totally wrong and Tyrod starts, but I'm basing this off of seeing Tyrod for three years and expecting a first overall pick to handily beat him out.

 

All-in-all the kizer situation has little to no parallels

[Rocky Landing]

There's been a lot of discussion about Peterman's performance in LA, and how that may, or may not have affected him. That half in which he played has been accurately described as "historically bad football." I have to wonder how that wouldn't affect his confidence going forward? Sure, McD, and Peterman, etc will all talk about how resilient, and "mentally tough" he is. But, if his brain works, the fact that he set a record for bad football will always be there. 

 

Don't start Allen too early. I don't care how "mentally tough" he is. "Trentative" Edwards spent so much time running for his life behind a crappy O-line that he became Captain Checkdown. We've invested a lot in Allen. We should protect that investment.

Edited May 8, 2018 by Rocky Landing

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, BillsFan17 said:

No it's not the circumstances are vastly different. Especially considering the word is the GM even his the pick from the staff, indicating exactly how much they care about Hue's opinion. If this front office sees Mayfield pulling ahead of Taylor, I cant see how they dont force Hue's hand. 

 

Again, could be totally wrong and Tyrod starts, but I'm basing this off of seeing Tyrod for three years and expecting a first overall pick to handily beat him out.

 

All-in-all the kizer situation has little to no parallels

 

We'll see if you or Hue is right.  I'm gonna go with the HC who determines the lineup. 

[#34fan]

If I'm honest, it just doesn't seem proper for a 1-31 coach to be drawing lines in the sand.

 

I like Hue, but his comfort level is inappropriate given his record..

 

[Fadingpain]

McCarron's film from his rookie season in Cincy makes a fairly compelling case for Josh Allen to start in Week 1.

 

 

[reddogblitz]

12 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Do you suspect he has much of a chance showing he's much better than Allen, if at all?

 

I figure the odds be 50 50.

 

I think AJ actually may be good. Have to wait til the games start to know for sure. But I do think he has the tools and the talent and the drive to succeed.

[transplantbillsfan]

15 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

I figure the odds be 50 50.

 

I think AJ actually may be good. Have to wait til the games start to know for sure. But I do think he has the tools and the talent and the drive to succeed.

 

I won't be upset if McCarron starts, I just think his likelihood of starting depends more on Allen losing the job than on McCarron winning it.

 

If the difference between McCarron and Allen is negligible, with McCarron being even slightly ahead, I think Allen will start for the sake of that invaluable on-field learning.

 

If Allen continues the reported trajectory he's been on since his last game at Wyoming with his improvements on mechanics and footwork--which have been considered his biggest weakness--then I think Allen will be a lot further along than all those folks saying he needed to sit a full year were saying and would become the favorite to win the starting job.

 

I rescind my argument that Allen should start week 1 if this apparent repair of his mechanics and footwork doesn't stick... but he and Palmer and others seem to believe he's fixed them or is in the process of fixing them with continued reps for muscle memory's sake.

 

Edited May 8, 2018 by transplantbillsfan

[Da webster guy]

18 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

He's the least likely to start and the guy who might not make the final 53. 

 

Obviously he's least likely.   But I'm predicting he'll have a better camp than McCarron and Allen won't get thrown to the wolves until we see our O-line perform in a real game.  

 

McD threw a rookie to the wolves last year on probably our worst day in pass protection of the year.   I think he'll be hesitant to do so again, especially considering the likelihood of very little (if any) chemistry or experience with the guy playing next to you on the offensive line.   Week 9 for Allen.  Don't rush the kid. 

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, Da webster guy said:

 

Obviously he's least likely.   But I'm predicting he'll have a better camp than McCarron and Allen won't get thrown to the wolves until we see our O-line perform in a real game.  

 

McD threw a rookie to the wolves last year on probably our worst day in pass protection of the year.   I think he'll be hesitant to do so again, especially considering the likelihood of very little (if any) chemistry or experience with the guy playing next to you on the offensive line.   Week 9 for Allen.  Don't rush the kid. 

 

I'm all for letting his play dictate when he starts whenever that might be. 

[mileena]

4 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Rookie? He played three years in the USFL before his first snap in the NFL.

 

I'm amazed at the cookie-cutter mentality when it comes to players. Talent need to be developed and managed to get the most out of it.

 

Thankfully I have faith in McDermott and Dabol doing what's best for Allen. Unlike previous Bills regimes, they will not be pressured by fans or media.

 

Yeah, he played in the second class USFL, not much better than NCAA. He still had to learn the game as a pro in the NFL and was only 6-10 in his first year.

[PromoTheRobot]

2 hours ago, mileena said:

 

Yeah, he played in the second class USFL, not much better than NCAA. He still had to learn the game as a pro in the NFL and was only 6-10 in his first year.

 

I'm guessing you aren't old enough to remember the USFL.  You're impression of it couldn't be more off base.  Either way, Jim Kelly had 3 years of pro ball experience before he stepped onto the field in Buffalo. Keep swingin' though.