RD1, Pick 7: Josh Allen QB - Wyoming

[Doc Brown]

13 minutes ago, Lurker said:

 

LOL!    You'll enjoy this, then...

 

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/profiles/ej-manuel?id=2539228

 

 

That Mayock quote at the top of the page is just maddening.  Thanks for that.  

[Prickly Pete]

Anybody know his comp.% for throws from the pocket? I know they have stats like that for NFL QB's. I think he will be good from the pocket, and they will work on getting him more disciplined when throwing on the move. He throws across his body quite a bit, and on the run a lot. The offense he was running really seemed to push the ball downfield, too. 

 

He will be at least as good as Tyrod within a couple seasons, I believe.

[LeGOATski]

2 hours ago, BillsFan4 said:

https://officialize.com/originals/the-wake-up-call/kirk-cousins-josh-allen-part-3

 

"kirk Cousins and josh Allen hit the white board" 

That was a video. Thanks!

[BeginnersMind]

7 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Winston was a 66% passer in the ACC, won a Heisman & national championship in college.  No offense but I don’t think there could be a worse comparison.

 

You have a good point. Running a pro style Passing offense with lesser talent is a tough spot for a QB. Way too easy to defend the crap WRs.  Allen could be much better than Winston given your argument. 

[LeGOATski]

2 hours ago, Lurker said:

https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2018/4/26/17288362/2018-draft-buffalo-bills-trade-josh-allen-tampa-bay-buccaneers

 

 

An article. Appreciated!

[BeginnersMind]

7 hours ago, jrober38 said:

 

Google "Josh Allen Bust". 

 

There's hours and hours of material you can read about how he has next to no hope of being successful. 

 

Google NFL mock draft 2018. Let me know how many you find that don’t have Allen in the top 10. 

 

By by the way, you can also Google mother Theresa and Nazi and read for hours. 

7 hours ago, MURPHD6 said:

The point is that we passed on Rosen because of character.

 

Not because of his shoulder surgery, two concussions in a year in the current climate?

 

Rosen is more ready for sure. But he is frightening. 

 

 

[WhitewalkerInPhilly]

OK. I have moved from dissapointment to acceptance.

 

Months ago, I wrote up my plan for the 2018 offseason. That plan included Tyrod hanging around after this point, but I said words to the effect of "I want the rookie with the most long term upside, even if you have to sit him for a year"

 

McCarron isn't so terrible that I mind him starting the season. If Allen wins the job from him fair and square, all the better.

 

This is a rebuilding year any way you cut it gents. It would have been with Tyrod or any other rookie we took.

 

This year, we see our gaps, bloody our rookie QB and go into 2019 with a boat load of cap space.

[H2o]

After listening to Rosen talk, seeing his interview, I am not as pissed anymore. The guy has taken his little, knockoff Aaron Rodgers persona a bit to the extreme. He comes off like an arrogant little prick. 

 

I have come to accept that the Bills brass collectively is all in on Josh Allen. I hope it works out, but I don't see it. In a previous thread I said his ceiling was Ben Ro, but his floor was Derek Anderson. I hope he reaches that ceiling. Lucy is also gonna have some splainin to do when he meets Shady, Hyde, Poyer, Benjamin, and the rest of those guys. Hopefully they didn't just kill "the process" with the drafting of one QB. 

Edited April 27, 2018 by H2o

[GunnerBill]

5 hours ago, Spiderweb said:

Such as???? Statement as such means zero without any specifics.

 

Anticipatory throwing

Accuracy (particularly in the intermediate range)

Ability to get through progressions

[Radar]

2 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

According to Mortensen, Pegula was "enamored" with Allen.

 

I hate this team.

Then go somewhere else with your hatred.

5 hours ago, #34fan said:

 

Yup... I do... Beane-dip saw a big kid with a big arm, and said "That's my guy"....  Only the Bills would first-round a wildly inaccurate QB from a junk conference he couldn't even dominate!

I don't believe anyone was eyeing Allen... He was good at #12

Don't think he would get #12. Miami or Cardinals were taking both before we picked. We can debate Allen vs Rosen but the Bills I think had to move up to get either.

[Qearly2018]

Definitely had nice accuracy on that first td pass

[H2o]

At least we didn't get Jackson. I couldn't understand over half of what he said when interviewed last night after getting picked by Baltimore. Joe Flacco, you are safe for at least a couple more years. 

[Chris66]

Bills give up 2 second rd picks for a qb who would have been there at 12. Thats more of an issue than taking a qb thats questionable. Thats the type of pick that gets a regime fired.

[Tatonka68]

Rosen, Mayfield and Darnold had a lot of completions to wide open receievers, Allen did not have that luxury. 

Edited April 27, 2018 by Tatonka68

[Mr. WEO]

Wouldn't Rosen or Allen been there at 12?

[mannc]

9 minutes ago, Tatonka68 said:

Rosen, Mayfield and Darnold had a lot of completions to wide open receievers, Allen did not have that luxury. 

Darnold has an awful throwing motion and was a virtual turnover factory, playing on a loaded team, in perfect weather.  And yet I don’t hear people talking about the huge risk the Jets took drafting him at 3 overall.  And if I were a Jets fan I might be questioning why my team gave up 3 second round picks to move up to 3 when they could have stayed at 6 and still landed Allen.

[Gordio]

5 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

Wouldn't Rosen or Allen been there at 12?

 

 

One would think so.  Total amateur hour in the Bills draft room.  They panicked & I am not sure why.  The board couldn't of broken any better.  They should of sat tight at 12, Allen would of been there.  Then trade up for Edmunds.  I like the pick but him or the LB from Bama would of been there at 22.  So basically they blew 2 2nd round picks & 3rd round pick.  Great job.  Beane & Mcdipsh&t are not smart enough to know what they don't know.  Allen has got the most upside of the top 4 QBs.  He has also got the most bust potential.   

7 minutes ago, mannc said:

Darnold has an awful throwing motion and was a virtual turnover factory, playing on a loaded team, in perfect weather.  And yet I don’t hear people talking about the huge risk the Jets took drafting him at 3 overall.  And if I were a Jets fan I might be questioning why my team gave up 3 second round picks to move up to 3 when they could have stayed at 6 and still landed Allen.

 

 

Hey no one ever said the Jets were a smart organization either.

[BeginnersMind]

15 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

Wouldn't Rosen or Allen been there at 12?

 

No one knows. 

[stuvian]

I am going to reserve judgement. If Beane and McDermott are willing to stake their careers on Allen I will support this. We got the least polished of the top QB prospects. Every other prospect has some potential red flags too. We had better have a QB whisperer on staff and a front office who is patient. The best thing that can happen for Allen is for McCarron to get us into the playoffs thereby forestalling his start until he is ready. Allen looks 2 years away from being NFL ready whereas Mayfield, Rosen and Darnold look ready now.

 

I recognize that we had to do something at QB. I don't think we overpayed in that we didn't mortgage next years draft to get to 2 or 4. There is no escaping that Allen is far from a finished product. Yes, Allen has the highest ceiling of the big 4 and there is the very real possibility that Darnold, Rosen, Jackson and Mayfield have their best football behind them not in front of them. I just hope that Terry and Kim didn't force this because if they did we have much bigger problems than this pick.

 

As for the positives, I like the fact that he is a cold weather QB. Looking at his tape there is plenty to be reasonably optimistic about in that there appears to be real talent there. I saw no such reason for optimism when we drafted EJ Manuel. Comparisons to Manuel or Jamarcus Russell are unreasonably pessimistic. His physical stature alone should make him less injury prone than the other QBs. Of the top 4 he appears to be the best scrambler and has the strongest arm. 

 

So I will be a good fan and support Allen just like I did Edwards, Losman, Fitzpatrick and Taylor but I will have one eye on the rest of this year's QBs as well as Mahomes and yes I will make comparisons. 

 

Personally I wanted Lamar Jackson who I still think will outshine everyone. As for my expectations for Allen, there are somewhere in the Mark Rypien/Joe Flacco range - good enough to win in all in a year where we have the best supporting cast.

[mannc]

4 minutes ago, Gordio said:

 

 

One would think so.  Total amateur hour in the Bills draft room.  They panicked & I am not sure why.  The board couldn't of broken any better.  They should of sat tight at 12, Allen would of been there.  Then trade up for Edmunds.  I like the pick but him or the LB from Bama would of been there at 22.  So basically they blew 2 2nd round picks & 3rd round pick.  Great job.  Beane & Mcdipsh&t are not smart enough to know what they don't know.  Allen has got the most upside of the top 4 QBs.  He has also got the most bust potential.   

 

 

Hey no one ever said the Jets were a smart organization either.

I hate trading up and you could argue the Bills overpaid, but reports are that the Cards tried to trade up to take Allen at 7.  If that’s true, then the Bills would not have gotten him at 12.  It’s possible that Rosen would have been available at 12, but the Bills might not have liked him; apparently he was off some teams’ boards entirely.  If Allen turns into a great QB, no one will care, and if he sucks, mcBeane will be looking for work.