HERE WE GO! GIANTS looking to TRADE DOWN

[baskingridgebillsfan]

browns are loaded with picks this year would 12 and next year one buy number 4.  and would 4 and 22 buy number 2 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

12 minutes ago, SWATeam said:

fixed

 

Nope... I’m very hopeful our gm isn’t an idiot. 

 

Edited ‘isn’t and idiot’.  Stupid autocorrect 

Edited April 26, 2018 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[CommonCents]

13 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

And now all the real stuff comes back full circle after the 2 months of crap to fill space between combine and draft. 

Oh this one is real because we like it? I’m at that point that no one knows anything until 8:10 or whatever it is.

[BuffaloHokie13]

Beane is playing this masterfully

[baskingridgebillsfan]

Just now, Dr. Who said:

Really depressing.  We will be fighting to get the fourth of the top 4.  I like Allen, however, so I wouldn't be angry unless we miss out on all of them.

I really don't know how the Allen thing plays out from a locker room and pr stand point.   We live in a weird time and place.  I mean Ozzie could draft him and give him his blessing and things would move along but we don't have ozzie.  Race in America go figure 

[Kirby Jackson]

5 minutes ago, Tatonka68 said:

DE Shaq Larson, the 12th , the 53rd, the 96th and the 1st round pick in 2019. PUSH SEND!!

Don’t give up the 2019 1st. You don’t need to!! That is your best asset. The Giants can have 12, 22, 53, 96 and a 4th next year. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

2 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 isn’t and idiot. 

 

 

[greeneblitz]

17 minutes ago, BuffaloRush said:

We have a lot of holes to fill

We just made the freaking playoffs, no we don't, no more than every other team, stop with the nonsense.

 

[PIZ]

6 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

No.  Don't let Elway have his way.

 

[baskingridgebillsfan]

1 minute ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

Beane is playing this masterfully

he could be but what makes you say that.  I can see a scenario we he gets locked out .   or he may love Rudolph 

[Dr. Who]

Just now, baskingridgebillsfan said:

I really don't know how the Allen thing plays out from a locker room and pr stand point.   We live in a weird time and place.  I mean Ozzie could draft him and give him his blessing and things would move along but we don't have ozzie.  Race in America go figure 

It should blow over if common sense comes into play.  If Allen drops because of the twitter thing, the organization that leaked it wins and I don't think that ought to be rewarded.

[PIZ]

If Mayfield goes 1, and we get 2, will it be Darnold or Rosen?

 

 

[MAJBobby]

2 minutes ago, Commonsense said:

Oh this one is real because we like it? I’m at that point that no one knows anything until 8:10 or whatever it is.

 

No it is just typical of how this draft process stuff happens. Before and After the Combine real info seems to be more out there then two months of lies and fillers quoting un named sources to fill air time. 

 

24 hours before the draft it comes full circle back to what was out there around combine time. 

[Magox]

9 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

I will reiterate what I heard weeks ago. There are multiple teams in the top 10 who want the Bills draft capital, and they actually have leverage. 

I actually believe this.

 

This is a matter of supply and demand.  The popular belief is that the teams that are looking to trade down have all the leverage simply because they know that the teams that are looking to trade up are desperate to get a QB.  While some of that is definitely true what is also true is that a team such as the Bills have got all these valuable picks and there are quite a few teams that believe their QB situation is OK/Good and they want those picks.   And now we are beginning to hear all these teams that are open to trading down.  At the beginning they were all posturing, basically implying that staying put to get one of the premium 6-8 players we hear about is their main goal.  Now that things are beginning to unfold and some teams are now expressing interest that they are open for business to trade down, it's causing other teams to try to get in on the action as well.

 

Bottom line, I don't think we are going to get fleeced as bad as the JETS if we trade up, simply because there is a high supply of teams that are willing to trade down.  

[PIZ]

1 minute ago, Dr. Who said:

It should blow over if common sense comes into play.  If Allen drops because of the twitter thing, the organization that leaked it wins and I don't think that ought to be rewarded.

 

Is it a leak if it is on social media for EVERYONE to see?  Teams should have been smart enough to look for this stuff on their own.

[thenorthremembers]

6 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

I am going to go ahead and think this is garbage.  The Broncos

A) Would have to give up a 1st, 2nd, and 2 3rds or #5 this year and their 1st in 2019 to get #2. 

B) Are not giving up that many picks to move up three spots for what would be a backup QB for the next two years, when they can stay at #5 and perhaps get Barkley.

[Chuck Wagon]

Beane and Pegula went to Cleveland last night to shake the Browns pick out of them.

 

Browns go Baker

 

Beane & Gettleman know exactly what they are bargaining over.

 

Bills trade to #2, take Darnold

[MAJBobby]

On. NFLN live mock Rosen just was taken by the Bills at 12 overall

[greeneblitz]

Just now, Kirby Jackson said:

Don’t give up the 2019 1st. You don’t need to!! That is your best asset. The Giants can have 12, 22, 53, 96 and a 4th next year. 

BS, the 2nd round pick this year, with this much talent that this draft has, is more valuable or at least of equal value to next years 1st. Tons of 1st round talent will make it to the 2nd and even 3rd round this year.

[BuffaloHokie13]

Just now, baskingridgebillsfan said:

he could be but what makes you say that.  I can see a scenario we he gets locked out .   or he may love Rudolph 

We went from possibly not having a trade partner as a narrative to the Giants, Browns, Broncos, and Colts all looking to move back from 2, 4, 5, and 6 respectively. Plus, competition drives prices down!

[BillsFan17]

Just now, thenorthremembers said:

I am going to go ahead and think this is garbage.  The Broncos

A) Would have to give up a 1st, 2nd, and 2 3rds or #5 this year and their 1st in 2019 to get #2. 

B) Are not giving up that many picks to move up three spots for what would be a backup QB for the next two years, when they can stay at #5 and perhaps get Barkley.

Or, maybe the best QB in the draft is to hard to pass up, especially since Keenum isnt exactly on a long term starters deal.

[Dr. Who]

Just now, PIZ said:

 

Is it a leak if it is on social media for EVERYONE to see?  Teams should have been smart enough to look for this stuff on their own.

You think the timing of all this is coincidental?

[baskingridgebillsfan]

1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Don’t give up the 2019 1st. You don’t need to!! That is your best asset. The Giants can have 12, 22, 53, 96 and a 4th next year. 

for me keeping some pics this year and sacrificing a first next years works.   Next year they can buy a first round talent with their free agent pool of money .  If they trade all their picks this year , it will be a long season and a season that you are giving the quarterbacks limited resources to work with 

[Chuck Wagon]

11 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

We went from possibly not having a trade partner as a narrative to the Giants, Browns, Broncos, and Colts all looking to move back from 2, 4, 5, and 6 respectively. Plus, competition drives prices down!

 

 

I've been saying it for a little while.  All these picks, we are the prettiest girl in the room.

[JoeF]

The Bills are the only team with the draft capital to get into the top 5.

The Bills know their board.  More importantly, they know the differential between their #1, #2, #3, #4, #5 QBs on their board

If the differential between QBs on the board is very significant - Beane and Gettleman will make a deal.

If the differential between QBs on the board is slight - Beane and Dorsey will make a deal

If they feel there is little difference between #1 and #4 - the Colts, Bears and Bucs are waiting...

 

The Bills will trade up...its just a matter of where and it all depends on the QB rankings and the differences.

 

My personal ranking is that Darnold and Rosen are basically equal -- but I like Josh then there is a drop to Mayfield and a further significant drop to Allen and Jackson.  They haven't spent time with Jackson so their evaluation ends at Allen.  If the Bills agree they likely do a something like #1-12 and #1-22 for Colts 1-6 and 3-3 (Colts get a 10% or so premium).  Then package #1-6, 2019-1 and 2-21 for #1-2

 

Bills still have #2-24, 3-1,  3-3, 3-32 to fill needs.  Get a WR (Miller or Chark), Interior OL (Ragnow or Price (drops)), T (Rankin (who has position flexibility) or Christian), LB (Jewell or Darius Leonard--drafting Tegray Scales later).   Tony Adams (G), Kendrick Norton, Issac Yiadom, Tegray Scales all candidates for later picks.

Edited April 26, 2018 by JoeF

[greeneblitz]

2 minutes ago, PIZ said:

If Mayfield goes 1, and we get 2, will it be Darnold or Rosen?

 

 

No one will even consider Rosen over Darnold with his attitude and injury issues, way too much risk, except to Bills fans.

[baskingridgebillsfan]

Just now, BuffaloHokie13 said:

We went from possibly not having a trade partner as a narrative to the Giants, Browns, Broncos, and Colts all looking to move back from 2, 4, 5, and 6 respectively. Plus, competition drives prices down!

true but if Denver wants to move to 2 then none of that matters .  the draft starts at 4 with the top 3 off the board 

[atlbillsfan1975]

Do not blink yet. This is the kind of rumor which  can help teams looking to move up. If i am a GM i am making the Bills my last phone call before i make any trade out of the top 6. 

[RochesterRob]

21 minutes ago, kdiggz said:

 

  OK.  We have an unnamed source along with an un quantified deal.  We just learned a lot- NOT!!!  I want the two minutes back that I used to open this "informative" thread.

[baskingridgebillsfan]

Just now, JoeF said:

The Bills are the only team with the draft capital to get into the top 5.

The Bills know their board.  More importantly, they know the differential between their #1, #2, #3, #4, #5 QBs on their board

If the differential between QBs on the board is very significant - Beane and Gettleman will make a deal.

If the differential between QBs on the board is slight - Beane and Dorsey will make a deal

If they feel there is little difference between #1 and #4 - the Colts, Bears and Bucs are waiting...

 

The Bills will trade up...its just a matter of where and it all depends on the QB rankings and the differences.

 

My personal ranking is that Darnold and Rosen are basically equal -- but I like Josh then there is a drop to Mayfield and a further significant drop to Allen and Jackson.  They haven't spent time with Jackson so their evaluation ends at Allen.  If the Bills agree they likely do a something like #1-12 and #1-22 for Colts 1-6 and 3-3 (Colts get a 10% or so premium).  Then package #1-6, 2019-1 and 2-21 for #1-2

 

Bills still have #2-21, 3-1,  3-3, 3-32 to fill needs.  Get a WR (Miller or Chark), Interior OL (Ragnow or Price (drops)), T (Rankin (who has position flexibility) or Christian), LB (Jewell or Darius Leonard--drafting Tegray Scales later).   Tony Adams (G), Kendrick Norton, Issac Yiadom, Tegray Scales all candidates for later picks.

Denver doesn't have the capitol to move from 5-3 ?

[Tatonka68]

11 minutes ago, kdiggz said:

my extra kidney, my first born, and my soul if it's for Josh Rosen

12 pack of Genessee and an order of Duff's Wings.

[zevo]

12 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

FML if this happens

[thenorthremembers]

1 minute ago, BillsFan17 said:

Or, maybe the best QB in the draft is to hard to pass up, especially since Keenum isnt exactly on a long term starters deal.

Or just maybe the Giants are drumming up false interest to try and get the Bills to bend on giving up three 1sts.

 

I sincerely hope our front office doesnt get a case of the chicken littles in the next few hours.  Everyone really needs to take a step back and look at this stuff in a more calm fashion.

[PIZ]

1 minute ago, Dr. Who said:

You think the timing of all this is coincidental?

 

Oh no, not at all.  I think that Allbright was a major ass for doing it, and some team probably asked him to do it.  I just can't believe these teams wouldn't have known it was out there.  I also don't think a team that wants him, even in the top 5, would change their mind because of tweets he made 3 or 4 years ago as a kid in HS.  Just my opinion anyway.

[cantwaitanylonger]

Browns like Allen the most and have Mayfield ranked close second.  Bills like Mayfield and Browns know this.  Bills-Browns have it worked that that Browns take Mayfield #1 to take Jets out of the mix of taking him.  If Allen is still there at #4 like he should be, Browns then take Allen and trade Mayfield to Bills for a huge haul.  If Giants or Jets blow the plan up and Allen gets picked #2 or #3 which seems unlikely, the deal is off and Browns remain content with Mayfield and take Barkley/Chubb.

[atlbillsfan1975]

Just now, baskingridgebillsfan said:

true but if Denver wants to move to 2 then none of that matters .  the draft starts at 4 with the top 3 off the board 

I hear this a lot. The odds that any team has four quarterbacks rated the same or even very close is very slim to non existent. The Bills in particular have one guy they would absolutely move up to get, even giving away the 2 firsts this year and another high pick this year or next. 

[KDIGGZ]

2 minutes ago, RochesterRob said:

  OK.  We have an unnamed source along with an un quantified deal.  We just learned a lot- NOT!!!  I want the two minutes back that I used to open this "informative" thread.

dude, it's ESPN.  would you not consider them a reliable source of information?  lol go back to sleep

[Chuck Wagon]

11 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

Do not blink yet. This is the kind of rumor which  can help teams looking to move up. If i am a GM i am making the Bills my last phone call before i make any trade out of the top 6. 

 

 

Teams have known what other teams have for months.  This isn't some wide open auction.  This is down to a few teams unless Beane has already just put down the best hand.

 

Realistically 12 / 22/ 2019 1st / 56 / 97

 

Something like that isn't going to be beat by anyone.

 

With 2 / 4 / 5 / 6 up for sale, the Giants can feel comfortable moving back to 12 and still being in position to get back up if they want 1 certain guy.

[Boatdrinks]

1 minute ago, zevo said:

FML if this happens

And it could. 12 isn't that strong a position. Might be insurmountable with who is in front of them, but I hope not. 

[TPS]

25 minutes ago, kdiggz said:

 

I'm sure there's been a lot of posturing by Beane and Gettleman to try to get what they want, and now the time has come...