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If The Bills are staying at 12 and there choice is between Rudolph or Rosen, I predict the Bills will select Rudolph. I’m praying the Jets take Rosen. Rosen does not fit the Bills or this towns cultur

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Lots of going on the record around here lately. Where is this record kept?

 

No one knows.  That's the best part.  No one can find the "record" if it comes to suit.

 

But still, I'd like to think my word is my bond.

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On 3/26/2018 at 9:24 AM, Thurmanator 12074 said:

Make sure you come back to this thread after the draft is over. I will even if I’m wrong. This is my opinion so will see. 

You might have to delete your account. This is the worst prediction I think I've ever seen on this site

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9 minutes ago, kdiggz said:

You might have to delete your account. This is the worst prediction I think I've ever seen on this site

Might have just wanted to get a jump on April Fool's day and start a little early....

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I like Rudolph as well.  I'm not sure he goes before Rosen, but I think he goes in the 1st round AND I think he goes to Buffalo.  My mock would be they go Roquon Smith or Tremaine Edmunds (hope) at 12, then Taven Bryan or Mike Mcglinchey at 22.  Then trade back into round 1 to get Mason Rudolph or Kyle Lauletta.  I like Goedert (TE) and Penny (RB) and Leonard (LB) and Phillips (DL) as well.  Need WRs as well, but I don't know which are a good fit.

 

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1 minute ago, PIZ said:

I like Rudolph as well.  I'm not sure he goes before Rosen, but I think he goes in the 1st round AND I think he goes to Buffalo.  My mock would be they go Roquon Smith or Tremaine Edmunds (hope) at 12, then Taven Bryan or Mike Mcglinchey at 22.  Then trade back into round 1 to get Mason Rudolph or Kyle Lauletta.  I like Goedert (TE) and Penny (RB) and Leonard (LB) and Phillips (DL) as well.  Need WRs as well, but I don't know which are a good fit.

 

I am an UGA fan, so Roquon at 12 would not displease me, but I think this draft is first and foremost all about the qb and I just don't think Rudolph is that good.  If we take him, I will hope that I am wrong and root for him to do well.  I prefer Mark Andrews at TE.  DJ Chark and Equanimeous St. Brown are WRs I like.

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40 minutes ago, kdiggz said:

You might have to delete your account. This is the worst prediction I think I've ever seen on this site

Honestly is it really worse than saying that teams must always do "whatever it takes at all costs all the time" to draft a franchise QB but thinking Giants will be just fine trading the 2 pick?  How could he possibly make less sense than that?

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It’s very possible that one of these 3 QB’s

Mason Rudolph Oklahoma State  

Luke Faulk Washington State 

Kyle Lauletta Richmond 

could end up being better then any of the top 5 projected pics In this QB draft class. To me this QB draft class has 8 real good QB’s. The trick is picking the correct one. I like Allen, Rudolph and Mayfield. I will be very happy if the Bills draft any of those QB’s. I don’t think the Bills will be able to move up, So I see them drafting Rudolph at 12. That way they keep all there picks. 

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5 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

Honestly is it really worse than saying that teams must always do "whatever it takes at all costs all the time" to draft a franchise QB but thinking Giants will be just fine trading the 2 pick?  How could he possibly make less sense than that?

What the heck are you talking about? The Giants have Eli Manning. Go troll elsewhere

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7 minutes ago, Mrbojanglezs said:

I want mayfield 

I would be fine with Mayfield. But when I think of what Mcbean wants In a QB and then compare what will be on the board at 12. My guess is we’re about to draft Rudolph and keep all of our picks. He fits what bean has been talking about and what he looks for In a QB. It’s really not who you or I want, it comes down to what Bean wants. I’ve listen to his Interviews about the type of QB he has in mind and Rudolph fits the mold. I expect the Bills will draft Rudolph. If they do I will be one happy camper. 

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19 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

Taking Mason Rudolph is settling.  

26cornerblitz I really don’t think so, the more I look at Rudolph the more I like about him. He has everything, Size, weight, good arm, almost 70 percent completion percentage. He was a 4 year starter,  he’s mobile, he moves around in the pocket well. He is a very good leader and fits into Beans QB mold. I think you should get used to the idea of the Bills drafting him. I’m sold on the guy. I was very hard on Rosen in other draft threads. I’ve come around on him too. I would be happy with him too. I just don’t think we will get him. This draft comes down to what the NYG do at 2. If they draft Barkley or Chubb then game on. If Barkley goes #2 to the New York Giants then I could see the bills trading with Cleveland at number four. I could also see Denver taking a QB but if they pass on a QB then there woukd be only 2 QB’s drafted so far. So either way only 2 or 3 QB’s would be off the board. So that means bills could trade into 6-10 and get a Mayfield or Rosen or Allen. But I really think Rudolph has really been short changed here. He is so good and has the complete package. I for one am so excited that we at least moved to 12. So at the very minimum we could at least get Rudolph. So lots to be excited about. There is just something that tells me Rudolph is the guy I think that is going to do really well. I also feel that way about Allen. Man I can’t wait to see how this all plays out. 

 

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1 hour ago, Thurmanator 12074 said:

Still think Rudolph will be drafted before some of the top 5 in this draft class. So meaning he might go before Darnold, Allen, Mayfield, Rosen and Jackson. People are sleeping on this guy. he could end up being the best QB in the draft class. I’m thinking that there is some GM’s out there that also believe this. He has the 2nd best Accuracy in the this draft class and best deap ball, plus 4 year starter. He also has the size and weight. Watch out because this dude can ball. 

Still think that you probably have someone tie your shoes for you

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43 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

I am an UGA fan, so Roquon at 12 would not displease me, but I think this draft is first and foremost all about the qb and I just don't think Rudolph is that good.  If we take him, I will hope that I am wrong and root for him to do well.  I prefer Mark Andrews at TE.  DJ Chark and Equanimeous St. Brown are WRs I like.

Figured out how to embed videos did we?

I guess there is no longer a need to YouTube 'Mason Rudolph' anymore ...

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On 3/26/2018 at 10:20 AM, horned dogs said:

Since your prediction isn't rooted in Politics I have a proposal for you. You must truly believe that if the Bills end up on the clock with a choice between Rosen and Rudolph....... they will take Rudolph. Right? I disagree with this and that is my opinion. If this  scenario comes to fruition and I am wrong, and they pick Rudolph, I will leave this forum permanently. Will you do the same? Or are you just spouting off and creating a LAMP when there are a million different threads about this stuff already.

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So based on all that can be read in this post, some bad publicity or perceived weaknesses by un-named (by me) sources drives down your likely draft selection spot. This would suggest Darnold slides due to turnovers & throwing mechanics, Rosen slides due to "character issues", Mayfield slides due to attitude, Jackson slides due to bad agent & he runs, Allen slides due to inaccuracy, Rudolph slides due to weak arm & pocket awareness, who's left to draft at top of the 1st ?

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On 3/26/2018 at 1:36 PM, MJS said:

 

Plenty of A-Hole HOF QB's out there. Tom Brady is a huge jerk. He yells at players and coaches on the sideline. Favre was a crappy person.

 

I don't care if people like Rosen. I care if he can win. I think he can.

Why?

In 2015 he was the starting QB for a #13 ranked team that ultimately finished ranked #22. We can go round and round about who did what and what happened. But that is not the outcome a #13 ranked team would want. A#13 ranking tends to beat up the dialogue that Josh Rosen never had talent around him.

In 2016, the Bruins were ranked #16 preseason. Of course, the brittle Rosen was injured early. Can you blame him on that? No, I guess not. Worth noting: The UCLA offensive line included three players that likely will have wound up as NFL players.

In 2017, by the second week of the year the Bruins were ranked 25th in the AP. They closed out the season NR.

Josh Rosen's offensive line has included included a current NFL OT, Scott Quisenberry and Kolton Miller - both likely NFL draftees and Miller is likely to be gone by the end of the 2nd round. At one point he had all three on the line. He's had remarkable coaching. 

I don't claim to be a UCLA expert but as I see it, those are some of the facts about Josh Rosen. There's a whole lot of opinion about him (no talent on the team) but if you want to discredit the worth of NFL coaching and the meaning of national ranking in each of his three years at UCLA, be my guest.

I think if there's one thing you can't say about Josh Rosen is that he's been a winner. He hasn't. And I think ultimately that there has been at least some talent on that team around him and for the most part, it's apologists making a bull crap claim. 

I think he falls on draft day. Falls hard.

 

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1 hour ago, Tyrod's friend said:

Why?

In 2015 he was the starting QB for a #13 ranked team that ultimately finished ranked #22. We can go round and round about who did what and what happened. But that is not the outcome a #13 ranked team would want. A#13 ranking tends to beat up the dialogue that Josh Rosen never had talent around him.

In 2016, the Bruins were ranked #16 preseason. Of course, the brittle Rosen was injured early. Can you blame him on that? No, I guess not. Worth noting: The UCLA offensive line included three players that likely will have wound up as NFL players.

In 2017, by the second week of the year the Bruins were ranked 25th in the AP. They closed out the season NR.

Josh Rosen's offensive line has included included a current NFL OT, Scott Quisenberry and Kolton Miller - both likely NFL draftees and Miller is likely to be gone by the end of the 2nd round. At one point he had all three on the line. He's had remarkable coaching. 

I don't claim to be a UCLA expert but as I see it, those are some of the facts about Josh Rosen. There's a whole lot of opinion about him (no talent on the team) but if you want to discredit the worth of NFL coaching and the meaning of national ranking in each of his three years at UCLA, be my guest.

I think if there's one thing you can't say about Josh Rosen is that he's been a winner. He hasn't. And I think ultimately that there has been at least some talent on that team around him and for the most part, it's apologists making a bull crap claim. 

I think he falls on draft day. Falls hard.

 

You seem to have that covered yourself! smh

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On 3/26/2018 at 10:22 PM, Thurmanator 12074 said:

If The Bills are staying at 12 and there choice is between Rudolph or Rosen, I predict the Bills will select Rudolph. I’m praying the Jets take Rosen. Rosen does not fit the Bills or this towns culture, nor does he seem to fit the Process that Coach McD has instituted on this team.

 

  

 

The idea that Rosen doesn't fit the Bills culture or the process is backed up by absolutely nothing either in life or in your post. There's absolutely no reason to think this is so.

 

Will Rosen be a bust? Maybe. I doubt it unless it's because of injuries, but maybe.

 

Rudolph over Rosen at 12? Very little chance, IMHO. If they want Rudolph they could get him at #22, or trade back from #12.

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3 hours ago, Tyrod's friend said:

Why?

In 2015 he was the starting QB for a #13 ranked team that ultimately finished ranked #22. We can go round and round about who did what and what happened. But that is not the outcome a #13 ranked team would want. A#13 ranking tends to beat up the dialogue that Josh Rosen never had talent around him.

In 2016, the Bruins were ranked #16 preseason. Of course, the brittle Rosen was injured early. Can you blame him on that? No, I guess not. Worth noting: The UCLA offensive line included three players that likely will have wound up as NFL players.

In 2017, by the second week of the year the Bruins were ranked 25th in the AP. They closed out the season NR.

Josh Rosen's offensive line has included included a current NFL OT, Scott Quisenberry and Kolton Miller - both likely NFL draftees and Miller is likely to be gone by the end of the 2nd round. At one point he had all three on the line. He's had remarkable coaching. 

I don't claim to be a UCLA expert but as I see it, those are some of the facts about Josh Rosen. There's a whole lot of opinion about him (no talent on the team) but if you want to discredit the worth of NFL coaching and the meaning of national ranking in each of his three years at UCLA, be my guest.

I think if there's one thing you can't say about Josh Rosen is that he's been a winner. He hasn't. And I think ultimately that there has been at least some talent on that team around him and for the most part, it's apologists making a bull crap claim. 

I think he falls on draft day. Falls hard.

 

 

 

You could be right about him falling. I doubt it but it's not impossible.

 

But UCLA didn't fall because of Josh Rosen. Their defense was absolutely horrible. Worst rushing defense in the country, 287.4 YPG. Terrible defense overall. Blaming the team's performance on Josh Rosen (or blaming any team's performance on anyone player) is missing the point.

 

Wins and losses are team stats. Wanna evaluate the QB? Look at how well he played QB. Period.

 

Rosen played QB very very well, which is why he's almost certainly going to be a top ten pick.

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49 minutes ago, GreggTX said:

Why waste a 1st round pick on Rudolph? That makes no sense at all. We can probably get him with the 65th or 66th pick or maybe just a bit higher. I hope Beane isn't that foolish.

He will never make it out of the first round. Your dreaming if you think that’s what’s going to happen to him. 

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Jim Mora on Josh Rosen -

 

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"Josh, I think, without a doubt, is the number one quarterback in the draft. He’s a franchise-changer. He’s got the ability to have an immediate impact. His arm talent, intelligence, and his ability to see the game and diagnose the game is rare. He’d come to the sidelines after a play and it was uncanny—he could right away say exactly why he made every decision."

 

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7 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

You could be right about him falling. I doubt it but it's not impossible.

 

But UCLA didn't fall because of Josh Rosen. Their defense was absolutely horrible. Worst rushing defense in the country, 287.4 YPG. Terrible defense overall. Blaming the team's performance on Josh Rosen (or blaming any team's performance on anyone player) is missing the point.

 

Wins and losses are team stats. Wanna evaluate the QB? Look at how well he played QB. Period.

 

Rosen played QB very very well, which is why he's almost certainly going to be a top ten pick.


I agree, to a degree. Winning is a team game. But my post was a reaction to someone saying that Rosen had won. On the face of it, Rosen played for squads that were talented. That's just not refutable; you don't get to be nationally ranked 13th, 16th and 25th ranked team and be devoid of talent. They were ranked 13th before Josh Rosen had thrown a pass. 

I've already admitted that I am not a UCLA expert and thanks for reminding they had a porous defense. 

It seems to me if you are looking for a QB that is a "winner", then you are taking Lamar Jackson. Not Josh Rosen.

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