Prediction Rudolph will go before Rosen if the Bills are selecting a QB at 12

[SouthNYfan]

Just now, DC Tom said:

 

His title says he PREDICTS Rudolph will go before Rosen.  That doesn't mean he thinks they'd get drafted in that order.  Only that he predicts they will. 

 

He may believe, however, that his prediction is wrong.

 

That's not what a prediction is.

A prediction is something a person believes will happen.

You cannot have a prediction that you, yourself, feel is wrong.

Then it is not a prediction.

[DC Tom]

1 minute ago, OldTimer1960 said:

I don’t think that Rudolph will be selected higher than Rosen, but I do think that there is a realistic chance that Rudolph will be selected in the 1st round.

 

And if he doesn't, all of the other quarterbacks will laugh and call him names...

[dezertbill]

How I see it. 

 

1 Bills- (trade up w/ Browns). Darnold

2 Giants- Chubb/Barkley

3 Jets- Rosen

4. Browns- Allen

 

you can start as many threads as you want as to who the bills might “settle “ for.  Right now Beane is merely in Damage control trying not to pay too high of a price to move up. 

 

But when you really feel there is a QB available that can alter your franchises history and you can move up to get him, you do so at all costs.   Safe to day there are a slew of teams that would trade multiple first, second, and third round picks to go back and draft Brady in 2000.  

 

Thanks to the Jets, the Bills will more than likely overpay.  But no one will care when the Bills are vying for championships in a couple years with Darnold under center.  That’s why they obtained all those draft picks via trade. To get their QB of the future.  In the end the Bills will get their guy regardless of cost. 

Edited March 26, 2018 by dezertbill

[17 Josh Allen]

If Dan Marino can drop to 26th and AaronRogers To 21st.Then Rosen can also drop to bottom of Round 1 too. 

[DC Tom]

1 minute ago, SouthNYfan said:

 

That's not what a prediction is.

A prediction is something a person believes will happen.

You cannot have a prediction that you, yourself, feel is wrong.

Then it is not a prediction.

 

No, a prediction is something someone STATES will happen.  I can predict the sun won't rise tomorrow.  I believe the prediction's wrong.  I can still make it.

 

You don't have to believe something you predict.  Particularly if you're a complete moron.  Judging by the poster's posts in this thread so far...do you really think that's all that unlikely?

1 minute ago, Thurmanator 12074 said:

If Dan Marino can drop to 26th and AaronRogers To 21st.Then Rosen can also drop to bottom of Round 1 too. 

 

I'd love it...because how !@#$ing appropriate would it be here if Rosen crashes?

[MAJBobby]

1 minute ago, Thurmanator 12074 said:

If Dan Marino can drop to 26th and AaronRogers To 21st.Then Rosen can also drop to bottom of Round 1 too. 

Marino - Drug rumors right before Draft

Rogers - the System he ran 

[17 Josh Allen]

1 minute ago, MAJBobby said:

Marino - Drug rumors right before Draft

Rogers - the System he ran 

Lots of off the field stuff being reported about Rosen. So again off the field stuff dropped Marino and so it will come to pass with Rosen. 

[SouthNYfan]

2 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

No, a prediction is something someone STATES will happen.  I can predict the sun won't rise tomorrow.  I believe the prediction's wrong.  I can still make it.

 

You don't have to believe something you predict.  Particularly if you're a complete moron.  Judging by the poster's posts in this thread so far...do you really think that's all that unlikely?

 

No, for it to be your own prediction, you must believe it to be true.

If you don't believe it yourself, then it's not your prediction, it is a prediction that you do not subscribe to.

 

But let's not argue the semantics of "prediction" anymore, especially when there are more pressing matters, like the idiocy of the op.

[MAJBobby]

1 minute ago, Thurmanator 12074 said:

Lots of off the field stuff being reported about Rosen. So again off the field stuff dropped Marino and so it will come to pass with Rosen. 

 

And all of that started when he called out 45 hmmmm. And has been debunked well before the draft. 

 

But then again this is the NFL and i could see owners blacklisting him. He only called out the NCAA and didnt beat a woman so that deserves blacklisting 

Edited March 26, 2018 by MAJBobby

[Royale with Cheese]

Just now, Thurmanator 12074 said:

Lots of off the field stuff being reported about Rosen. So again off the field stuff dropped Marino and so it will come to pass with Rosen. 

 

Marino also scored like an 11 on his Wonderlic and threw for 17 TD's to 23 INT's his senior season.

So it was the drug rumors, his test score and his poor production that lead to his drop.  He averaged only 4.6 yards per attempt his senior season.

[MAJBobby]

3 minutes ago, Thurmanator 12074 said:

Lots of off the field stuff being reported about Rosen. So again off the field stuff dropped Marino and so it will come to pass with Rosen. 

 

I would love to read your scouting reports on these QBs. Do you have them written down??

[Mat68]

Rosen has the best mechanics, footwork, and arm talent of alll the qbs this year.  The only knock is his injury history.  I hope that pushes Rosen out of the top 5.  The best thing that could happen is if Buffalo gets Rosen and keeps 22.  That is fantasy to me and seem unlikley if not totaly unrealistic.

[17 Josh Allen]

7 minutes ago, dezertbill said:

How I see it. 

 

1 Bills- (trade up w/ Browns). Darnold

2 Giants- Chubb/Barkley

3 Jets- Rosen

4. Browns- Allen

This will not happen because the Browns know if they trade the number 1 pick to the Bills. The Bills will select Josh Allen. The Browns top QB is Allen and so is the Bills. If the Bills get to 2 it will force Cleveland’s hand to select Josh Allen because they will lose him otherwise. I think Cleveland’s plan is to trade with the NYG for 2 and get Josh Allen and Barkley. If the Bills do get to 2 we will either get Allen or Darold. That’s how I see it. 

[BillsMafia13]

1 hour ago, horned dogs said:

Carson Palmer and Troy Aikman say hello

Hey you found the exception to the rule. Too bad Aikman went to OK so swing and a miss with that one.  Palmer I would consider as "pretty successful", as opposed to the million other first round So Cal qbs drafted.  You failed there doggo

[ndirish1978]

9 minutes ago, Thurmanator 12074 said:

Lots of off the field stuff being reported about Rosen. So again off the field stuff dropped Marino and so it will come to pass with Rosen. 

 

You're lack of factual knowledge is showing here. What is "lots?" The team-fed news that he doesn't "like" football and he's not a "real leader" - yeah that's the same as drugs. 

 

1 minute ago, Thurmanator 12074 said:

This will not happen because the Browns know if they trade the number 1 pick to the Bills. The Bills will select Josh Allen. The Browns top QB is Allen and so is the Bills. If the Bills get to 2 it will force Cleveland’s hand to select Josh Allen because they will lose him otherwise. I think Cleveland’s plan is to trade with the NYG for 2 and get Josh Allen and Barkley. If the Bills do get to 2 we will either get Allen or Darold. That’s how I see it. 

 

There is ZERO information out there that substantiates this beyond rumors that you have hand-picked over other rumors. The same amount of people have said we love Rosen. 

[BillsMafia13]

1 hour ago, JoPar_v2 said:

In other words, you have none beyond a handful of youtube clips of talking heads. What a joke buddy.

 

If I showed you a picture of Rosen in a MAGA hat, would your tune change? I bet it might. 

 

Keep this going though. Keep digging that hole for yourself.

 Dude you have done nothing but complaint and argue everyone point with a petty come back. If you dont agree move on, he posted his opinion and backed it up. Seems like you keep showing up just to argue when someone doesnt agree with you

Edited March 26, 2018 by BillsMafia13

[Senth]

Just draft the best football player with each pick ........ don't chase what isn't there..

[JoPar_v2]

Just now, BillsMafia13 said:

 Dude you have done nothing but B word, moan, and argue everyone point with a petty come back. If you dont agree move on, he posted his opinion and backed it up.  You contributed nothing but bellyaching.  

I am arguing over the lack of points here chief. And I wasn’t aware I had to agree with OP or “move on.” 

 

Maybe take your own advice if you can’t stand a little banter over football.

[BillsMafia13]

1 hour ago, SouthNYfan said:

 

On what basis?

He actually CAN and has thrown very well in college.

um his 56% completion percentage and 4k rushing yards.  Torch me for this take but any QB that runs that much basically screams "I cant throw there for I run".  Pass on another Tyrod

[17 Josh Allen]

3 minutes ago, BillsMafia13 said:

 Dude you have done nothing but B word, moan, and argue everyone point with a petty come back. If you dont agree move on, he posted his opinion and backed it up.  You contributed nothing but bellyaching.  

 

4 minutes ago, BillsMafia13 said:

 

1 hour ago, JoPar_v2 said:

In other words, you have none beyond a handful of youtube clips of talking heads. What a joke buddy.

 

If I showed you a picture of Rosen in a MAGA hat, would your tune change? I bet it might. 

 

Keep this going though. Keep digging that hole for yourself.

 

 

 

I know what he is trying to do is make this political. 

I did not vote in the election. plus I never mentioned politics in this entire thread that I started. But he keeps trying. Not falling for it. 

Lets stick to football which I’ve done the entire thread. I could care less what Rosen’s political views are. He is not a leader of men and I don’t want him anywhere near my football team. 

 

[MAJBobby]

1 minute ago, Thurmanator 12074 said:

 

 

 

I know what he is trying to do is make this political. 

I did not vote in the election. plus I never mentioned politics in this entire thread that I started. But he keeps trying. Not falling for it. 

Lets stick to football which I’ve done the entire thread. I could care less what Rosen’s political views are. He is not a leader of men and I don’t want him anywhere near my football team. 

 

 

And you have NOT once proven or shown anything that says he is not a leader. 

 

Again Who did you TALK to to make this deduction 

[JoPar_v2]

3 minutes ago, Thurmanator 12074 said:

 

 

 

I know what he is trying to do is make this political. 

I did not vote in the election. plus I never mentioned politics in this entire thread that I started. But he keeps trying. Not falling for it. 

Lets stick to football which I’ve done the entire thread. I could care less what Rosen’s political views are. He is not a leader of men and I don’t want him anywhere near my football team. 

 

Have it your way thurm. So what qualifies a QB as a “leader of men”? You’ve dropped that little gem of code on us a few times.

 

or better question: what disqualifies Rosen from being (or developing into) a “LEADER OF MEN”?

[17 Josh Allen]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/2018/1/4/16826100/2018-nfl-draft-josh-rosen-browns-giants-ucla-bruins

 

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thebiglead.com/2017/05/04/nfl-scout-and-executive-on-josh-rosen-tons-of-issues-and-a-mess-off-the-field/amp/

 

 

http://larrybrownsports.com/college-football/espn-josh-rosen-toughness-leadership/405547

5 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

 

And you have NOT once proven or shown anything that says he is not a leader. 

 

Again Who did you TALK to to make this deduction 

 

Need I say more

[BillsMafia13]

12 minutes ago, JoPar_v2 said:

I am arguing over the lack of points here chief. And I wasn’t aware I had to agree with OP or “move on.” 

 

Maybe take your own advice if you can’t stand a little banter over football.

Im all for a constructive and lively debate.  You have consistently poo poo'd on every rebuttal he provides just for the sake of argument.  you must be awful to hang out with at a party

[MAJBobby]

6 minutes ago, Thurmanator 12074 said:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/2018/1/4/16826100/2018-nfl-draft-josh-rosen-browns-giants-ucla-bruins

 

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thebiglead.com/2017/05/04/nfl-scout-and-executive-on-josh-rosen-tons-of-issues-and-a-mess-off-the-field/amp/

 

 

http://larrybrownsports.com/college-football/espn-josh-rosen-toughness-leadership/405547

 

Need I say more

 

So as I thought. You didnt talk to anyone instead took some unnamed source that has been debunked over and over again by his fellow players and his coaches 

 

thanks 

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/247sports.com/college/ucla/Article/The-False-Narrative-on-UCLA-Quarterback-Josh-Rosen-112741479/Amp

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ndtscouting.com/ledyard-time-to-bury-josh-rosen-character-slander-once-and-for-all/amp/

 

http://www.profootballweekly.com/2018/01/25/nfl-draft-josh-rosens-center-at-ucla-on-people-questioning-qbs-character-it-really-irks-me/a2rbhn1/

 

so????

Edited March 26, 2018 by MAJBobby

[BillsMafia13]

12 minutes ago, Thurmanator 12074 said:

 

 

 

I know what he is trying to do is make this political. 

I did not vote in the election. plus I never mentioned politics in this entire thread that I started. But he keeps trying. Not falling for it. 

Lets stick to football which I’ve done the entire thread. I could care less what Rosen’s political views are. He is not a leader of men and I don’t want him anywhere near my football team. 

 

One of those, ill pick apart any piece of information so I can argue about nothing and say you're wrong, arguments because he has something to approve apparently.  I completely disagree with you, but appreciate your level headed takes and backing them up to someone who doesnt care what you say.

[JoPar_v2]

1 minute ago, BillsMafia13 said:

Im all for a constructive and lively debate.  You have consistently poo poo'd on every rebuttal he provides just for the sake of argument.  you must be awful to hang out with at a party

Because it’s my opinion that he’s speaking in code and vagaries when referring to why he can’t stand this kid he doesn’t know from adam. And also my opinion that if you’re going to hate on someone that hard you should have the equipment to clearly state the REAL reasons why. I’m not buying the one’s provided and can’t believe anyone else would, you included.

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

22 minutes ago, BillsMafia13 said:

Hey you found the exception to the rule. Too bad Aikman went to OK so swing and a miss with that one.  Palmer I would consider as "pretty successful", as opposed to the million other first round So Cal qbs drafted.  You failed there doggo

What's the rule bright guy...don't draft USC or UCLA QBs...because you might end up with Troy Aikman or Carson Palmer. You post fails miserably because you want to say things that aren't true. Take your loss and shut up

[Royale with Cheese]

19 minutes ago, Thurmanator 12074 said:

 

 

 

I know what he is trying to do is make this political. 

I did not vote in the election. plus I never mentioned politics in this entire thread that I started. But he keeps trying. Not falling for it. 

Lets stick to football which I’ve done the entire thread. I could care less what Rosen’s political views are. He is not a leader of men and I don’t want him anywhere near my football team. 

 

 

You avoid any quote from his teammates in which they say the opposite.  

 

 

Edited March 26, 2018 by Royale with Cheese

[SouthNYfan]

19 minutes ago, BillsMafia13 said:

um his 56% completion percentage and 4k rushing yards.  Torch me for this take but any QB that runs that much basically screams "I cant throw there for I run".  Pass on another Tyrod

 

And his comp % has increased each year, 59.1 % this year, 57% career

He also has increased his passing yards every year, and threw for over 9k yards in 3 years, over 7k in the last two years alone.

 

I don't feel he's the best QB, but to say he can't their and act like he's Tyrod is absurd.

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

Just now, Royale with Cheese said:

 

You avoid any quote from his teammates in which they say the opposite.  

He avoids anything he doesn't want to answer.

[JoPar_v2]

4 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

 

So as I thought. You didnt talk to anyone instead took some unnamed source that has been debunked over and over again by his fellow players and his coaches 

 

thanks 

Wow 3 whole links and 2 of them mention the friggin’ cheap hottub. I guess we got our answer. Buy a hottub and you will never LEAD MEN.

[BillsMafia13]

8 minutes ago, horned dogs said:

What's the rule bright guy...don't draft USC or UCLA QBs...because you might end up with Troy Aikman or Carson Palmer. You post fails miserably because you want to say things that aren't true. Take your loss and shut up

Haha Aikman STILL didnt go to USC/UCLA.  Guy is talking about taking an L but is still hanging on incorrect facts, I found a website that can help you find facts. google.com       Anyways my point still stands, even if its not something tangible that can be measured or proven.  Qbs from USC have been terrible compared to where they were drafted, now and forever. you cant provide me one exception besides Palmer but I sure can name a ton of failed USC qbs.  Back to your dungeon troll!

Edited March 26, 2018 by BillsMafia13

[Royale with Cheese]

Just now, BillsMafia13 said:

Haha Aikman STILL didnt go to UCS/UCLA.  Guy is talking about taking an L but is still hanging on incorrect facts, I found a website that can help you find facts. google.com       Anyways my point still stands, even if its not something tangible that can be measured or proven.  Qbs from USC have been terrible compared to where they were drafted, now and forever. you cant provide me one exception besides Palmer but I sure can name a ton of failed USC qbs.  Back to your dungeon troll!

 

Are you really not going to take a player based on the schools history for that position?

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

1 minute ago, BillsMafia13 said:

Haha Aikman STILL didnt go to UCS/UCLA.  Guy is talking about taking an L but is still hanging on incorrect facts, I found a website that can help you find facts. google.com       Anyways my point still stands, even if its not something tangible that can be measured or proven.  Qbs from USC have been terrible compared to where they were drafted, now and forever. you cant provide me one exception besides Palmer but I sure can name a ton of failed USC qbs.  Back to your dungeon troll!

Oh really. 

[Royale with Cheese]

1 minute ago, horned dogs said:

Oh really. 

 

Looks like Troy to me.

 

[BillsMafia13]

2 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said:

 

And his comp % has increased each year, 59.1 % this year, 57% career

He also has increased his passing yards every year, and threw for over 9k yards in 3 years, over 7k in the last two years alone.

 

I don't feel he's the best QB, but to say he can't their and act like he's Tyrod is absurd.

you're right, and ill be honest I havent watched much of Jackson.  But my biggest draw back from Tyrod was he seems to apprehensive to sling the ball, whether its a products of Dennisons system or whatever.  I watched Tyrod completely miss or look away from open receivers. I may be jaded but id rather hav a wild gunslinger than someone who played not to lose

[BillsFan2313]

2 minutes ago, BillsMafia13 said:

Haha Aikman STILL didnt go to UCS/UCLA.  Guy is talking about taking an L but is still hanging on incorrect facts, I found a website that can help you find facts. google.com       Anyways my point still stands, even if its not something tangible that can be measured or proven.  Qbs from USC have been terrible compared to where they were drafted, now and forever. you cant provide me one exception besides Palmer but I sure can name a ton of failed USC qbs.  Back to your dungeon troll!

 

Bro...

 

Troy Aikman transferred from Oklahoma to UCLA after the 1985 season

 

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/troy-aikman-1.html

 

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/troy-aikmans-transfer-from-oklahoma-to-ucla-helped-both-programs/

 

Now, about that L

[BillsMafia13]

1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Looks like Troy to me.

 

I stand corrected*

1 minute ago, BillsFan2313 said:

 

Bro...

 

Troy Aikman transferred from Oklahoma to UCLA after the 1985 season

 

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/troy-aikman-1.html

 

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/troy-aikmans-transfer-from-oklahoma-to-ucla-helped-both-programs/

 

Now, about that L

Ya got me there.  Ill still take 2/XXXXX have been busts though

[MAJBobby]

2 minutes ago, BillsMafia13 said:

you're right, and ill be honest I havent watched much of Jackson.  But my biggest draw back from Tyrod was he seems to apprehensive to sling the ball, whether its a products of Dennisons system or whatever.  I watched Tyrod completely miss or look away from open receivers. I may be jaded but id rather hav a wild gunslinger than someone who played not to lose

 

Jackson SHOULD have stayed in school and refined his passing. 

 

He does have pretty big mechanical issues specially with his base. But there is progress year to year. 

 

He is and enigma to me. I just wish he stayed in school