dbflaBill Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 Any one else think that they traded Darby too soon, and the return wasnt really worth it. Having Darby now would be a more valuable trade piece than the 3rd round pick they got in return. In fact I believe the Bills could probably get a 1 for him if he were on the Roster right now. At the very least a swap of ones like the Glenn trade. Essentially the Bills "traded" mathews (no longer on the team) and Darby for a 3. I believe Beane really swung and missed on this trade, and it could really come back and bite them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramza86 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 I liked what Darby brought to the table. I wonder what they saw that they didnt like. If the guy wasnt buying in....i can see them moving on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 I don’t think Darby is the caliber of player that will come back around and bite anyone. Though he’s still young and solid. But I don’t think we’ll look back 7yrs from now and say man that’s Darby trade was brutal. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 No, essentially the Bills traded Watkins & Darby for Mathews, EJ Gaines, 2nd round pick, 3rd round pick. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 I thought there were rumors of him not being happy with the system change? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snamsnoops Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 The trade was more Darby for a 3rd. J Mathews was a throw in. It has been reported the Eagles where trying to dump J Mathews before the bills trade. Did you watch Ronald Darby play last year or in the SB? He looked like hot garbage. He wasn't a zone guy which McDome was running here in B-lo, making Darby expendable. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbflaBill Posted March 22, 2018 Author Share Posted March 22, 2018 4 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said: No, essentially the Bills traded Watkins & Darby for Mathews, EJ Gaines, 2nd round pick, 3rd round pick. No, with that logic they traded Darby and Watkins for a 2nd and a 3rd considering neither are on the team, and neither really did much last year... My point is Darby would be more valuable trade bait right now than the 3rd they got for him last year.... Meanwhile corner is a hole that this team needs to fill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
napmaster Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 Did you watch the Superbowl? A friend of mine is a huge Eagles fan and I just checked my txt msgs and 4 times I sent Darby messages. ur welcome for Darby LOL!!! Darby sucks Darby lost again freakin Darby So no thanks, maybe he fit Rex's scheme, but I'll take the 3rd round pick. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 If vontae is better and the third rounder plays well it’s a good trade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbflaBill Posted March 22, 2018 Author Share Posted March 22, 2018 Just now, napmaster said: Did you watch the Superbowl? A friend of mine is a huge Eagles fan and I just checked my txt msgs and 4 times I sent Darby messages. 4 minutes ago, snamsnoops said: The trade was more Darby for a 3rd. J Mathews was a throw in. It has been reported the Eagles where trying to dump J Mathews before the bills trade. Did you watch Ronald Darby play last year or in the SB? He looked like hot garbage. He wasn't a zone guy which McDome was running here in B-lo, making Darby expendable. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2754252-nfl1000-ranking-the-top-outside-cornerbacks-of-2017-season not sure I would call the 29th best corner in the league garbage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 He's a man-CB that would get killed in zone. We run too much zone to keep him around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, dbflaBill said: No, with that logic they traded Darby and Watkins for a 2nd and a 3rd considering neither are on the team, and neither really did much last year... My point is Darby would be more valuable trade bait right now than the 3rd they got for him last year.... Meanwhile corner is a hole that this team needs to fill. They need a nickel guy. Now that the holes at BU OL and LB are almost filled the cheaper tier 2 and 3 corners will be rolling into town. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddyjj Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 Sammy and Darby were pretty nonchalant about prep work, learning playbook and keeping in shape.. And Darby's worst skill was reacting to the ball in the air - which is critical to a zone DB. His tackling skills were not ideal either and they are a must for a zone DB. Scheme fit was reason for the trade. Gaines (and now Davis) were targeted for their skill sets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelingOnYouboty Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 I'm not losing sleep over Ronald Darby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman1876 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 They felt the difference between EJ and Darby was worth getting a third round pick for. Last year it was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbflaBill Posted March 22, 2018 Author Share Posted March 22, 2018 1 minute ago, Batman1876 said: They felt the difference between EJ and Darby was worth getting a third round pick for. Last year it was. EJ has nothing to do with the trade, and hes no longer on the team. My point isn't Darby fitting a scheme. My point is holding on to him till now, and trading him now would be more valuable than getting a third round pick... Darby being part of a trade package to get into position for a top QB is more valuable than the third round pick that they have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snamsnoops Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 14 minutes ago, dbflaBill said: Eyeball test said he played like garbage. How many yards did T Brady throw for in the SB? He is also a man cb. He would have looked even more like a steaming pile of pooo playing zone in B-lo. We took the 3rd rounder and didn't look back. Our secondary was a pleasant surprise without him and should take another step forward this season. Bye Darby! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbflaBill Posted March 22, 2018 Author Share Posted March 22, 2018 Just now, snamsnoops said: Eyeball test said he played like garbage. How many yards did T Brady throw for in the SB? He is also a man cb. He would have looked even more like a steaming pile of pooo playing zone in B-lo. We took the 3rd rounder and didn't look back. Our secondary was a pleasant surprise without him and should take another step forward this season. Bye Darby! Do you even know what makes a guy a zone verse man CB? Because it doesnt really exist. Its something that you hear in the media and you go with it.. Its one of the dumbest things someone can say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 Darby sucked in 2016 and had an attitude issue so he was traded for what they could get. He had some moments last year but overall wasn't very good. The Bills made the right move. It's too bad Matthews got injured because that really would have made the trade a great one, but the Bills got a 3rd and still made the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobot Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 Classic example of overvaluing what you have (had). Psychological phenomena... but no Darby could not garner a 1st round pick OR a 2nd round pick. 3rd round is excellent return for him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEraBills Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 Darby has had two bad years in a row. We can say he's a man coverage guy or whatever, but even when Rex had him in man coverage here he got toasted A LOT. Darby IMO is best suited for the slot just like EJ Gaines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 3 minutes ago, Jobot said: Classic example of overvaluing what you have (had). Psychological phenomena... but no Darby could not garner a 1st round pick OR a 2nd round pick. 3rd round is excellent return for him. This here. Smurt smurt answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlfcbb Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 I think if we had held onto him for another year we would have been lucky to get a 6th for him. He did not suit our system and would have looked a lot worse had he spent another year in Buffalo. Great trade in my opinion. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadLandsMeanie Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 45 minutes ago, dbflaBill said: Any one else think that they traded Darby too soon, and the return wasnt really worth it. Having Darby now would be a more valuable trade piece than the 3rd round pick they got in return. In fact I believe the Bills could probably get a 1 for him if he were on the Roster right now. At the very least a swap of ones like the Glenn trade. Essentially the Bills "traded" mathews (no longer on the team) and Darby for a 3. I believe Beane really swung and missed on this trade, and it could really come back and bite them. Look. It's simple. Ronald Darby shrimpy 2nd year player 23 years old, wants to run his mouth about how he feels things should be run. He wants to disagree and express his opinion about the changes being made. You do that and you are gone. That is the culture change. You get with the program or the program gets rid of you. That is what the new guys think needs to be done so that the Bills don't always lose. So it is bye Ronald good luck. Bye Sammy. Bye Marcel. And so on. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snamsnoops Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 17 minutes ago, dbflaBill said: Do you even know what makes a guy a zone verse man CB? Because it doesnt really exist. Its something that you hear in the media and you go with it.. Its one of the dumbest things someone can say. My bad i didn't know CB's are universal and can play in any scheme. HUH i guess u got me. Boy do i feel foolish! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 Our secondary was great last year. Didn't miss him at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman1876 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 26 minutes ago, dbflaBill said: EJ has nothing to do with the trade, and hes no longer on the team. My point isn't Darby fitting a scheme. My point is holding on to him till now, and trading him now would be more valuable than getting a third round pick... Darby being part of a trade package to get into position for a top QB is more valuable than the third round pick that they have. So with the benefit of hindsight you think they could have done better. I doubt it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbflaBill Posted March 22, 2018 Author Share Posted March 22, 2018 9 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: Our secondary was great last year. Didn't miss him at all. Oh i agree. I am not saying the Bills D would be better with him. I think he has more trade value now, as trade bait than the 3rd round pick they got. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleAndHungry Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 (edited) I think we won the Watkins and Darby trades. People talk about how the Rams are making brilliant personnel moves but they fail to mention that they burned a second round draft pick on a one year WR rental. So far Brandon Beane has had an uncanny ability to maximize our returns on players Edited March 22, 2018 by Finkle Is Einhorn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 12 minutes ago, dbflaBill said: Oh i agree. I am not saying the Bills D would be better with him. I think he has more trade value now, as trade bait than the 3rd round pick they got. So you think his trade value would be more simply because he played on a team that went to the SB? You'd ignore that he missed half the season, played poorly for most of the rest of the season, and played poorly in the SB? Yeah, no. His trade value right now is minimal at best. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbflaBill Posted March 22, 2018 Author Share Posted March 22, 2018 1 minute ago, Finkle Is Einhorn said: I think we won the Watkins and Darby trades. People talk about how the Rams are making brilliant personnel moves but they fail to mention that they burned a second round draft pick on a one year WR rental. So far Brandon Beane has had an uncanny ability to maximize our returns on players I didnt like getting rid of Watkins, but after seeing what it wouldve cost to keep him I'll take the second round pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheElectricCompany Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 I still believe we should have kept him. He was 1) good 2) young and 3) cheap. "He didn't fit the scheme" and "He didn't buy in" are really weak excuses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 1 minute ago, TheElectricCompany said: I still believe we should have kept him. He was 1) good 2) young and 3) cheap. "He didn't fit the scheme" and "He didn't buy in" are really weak excuses. No, he wasn't good. Young and cheap, sure. They were right to trade him and get what they could before he destroyed his trade value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbflaBill Posted March 22, 2018 Author Share Posted March 22, 2018 7 minutes ago, Doc said: So you think his trade value would be more simply because he played on a team that went to the SB? You'd ignore that he missed half the season, played poorly for most of the rest of the season, and played poorly in the SB? Yeah, no. His trade value right now is minimal at best. 29th rated CB in the league. That would put him as a Teams #1. #1 corner IMO has more value than a 3rd round pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheElectricCompany Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 5 minutes ago, Doc said: No, he wasn't good. Young and cheap, sure. They were right to trade him and get what they could before he destroyed his trade value. He showed excellent ability year 1, and had a bit of a sophmore slump. I chalk some of that up to the sinking ship that was Rex Ryan in 2016. The ability and talent to become a top tier corner is there. You can never have too many good pass rushers, corners and offensive playmakers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wsam4031 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 1 hour ago, Ramza86 said: I liked what Darby brought to the table. I wonder what they saw that they didnt like. If the guy wasnt buying in....i can see them moving on. There were reports that he wasn't buying into the zone cover scheme that McD was implementing. I hated the trade when they did it but after I heard that I was kind ok with it. Sucks to give up a guy with that much talent fro a crapshoot on a 3rd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills1212 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 nothing like a bumped thread from august of 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 16 minutes ago, TheElectricCompany said: I still believe we should have kept him. He was 1) good 2) young and 3) cheap. "He didn't fit the scheme" and "He didn't buy in" are really weak excuses. Really? McDermott wants guys that bring their lunch pail, get to work and buy in. If Darby didn't, see ya. The idea that it's on coaches to coddle malcontents is a mystery to me. Coaches coach, players play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadtasteinQBs Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 1 hour ago, dbflaBill said: Any one else think that they traded Darby too soon, and the return wasnt really worth it. Having Darby now would be a more valuable trade piece than the 3rd round pick they got in return. In fact I believe the Bills could probably get a 1 for him if he were on the Roster right now. At the very least a swap of ones like the Glenn trade. Essentially the Bills "traded" mathews (no longer on the team) and Darby for a 3. I believe Beane really swung and missed on this trade, and it could really come back and bite them. Darby was a fine player, but don't think we lost anything by getting rid of him and picking up Gaines. We got a draft pick out of the thing as well. Darby wasn't seen as a fit in the zone system that we wanted to run. He doesn't track the ball well in the air, and lacks length. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheElectricCompany Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 8 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Really? McDermott wants guys that bring their lunch pail, get to work and buy in. If Darby didn't, see ya. The idea that it's on coaches to coddle malcontents is a mystery to me. Coaches coach, players play. I didn't say it was, but you will never have a room full of choir boys. Every team has players with "character issues" that get away with some stuff because they are talented football players. When was Darby accused of not being someone who worked and played hard, or in your own word, a malcontent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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