Inigo Montoya Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 (edited) He was in Saban’s pro-style offense. He played well in big games, won two national championships. Is used to taking snaps under center. Has a 66.9% accuracy percentage which is better than every other QB prospect in this year’s draft besides Mayfield. He has now had a couple of years to sit behind Andy Dalton, a solid NFL QB, and acclimate to the NFL, and has looked good in spot duty when Dalton was out. I think going up to pick 2 is going to take all of our draft capital. I’d rather give McCarron an honest chance to be our QB. Surround him with talent from this year’s draft and let’s see what the kid can do. Accuracy percentages 2017 Mayfield. 70.1% Rosen 62.6% Darnold 63.1% Allen 56.3% Jackson 59.1% McCarron career 66.9% Edited March 18, 2018 by Inigo Montoya 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gigs Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 I do believe that’s the plan. McCarron starts regardless if they draft a QB. I would rather try to build something around him, and if it doesn’t work out we get a higher pick for next year’s crop of QBs. I say get Ridley. He, Benjamin and Jones wouldn’t be a bad combo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills4life1924 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 (edited) They call it "the process" for a reason. I highly doubt McCarron was part of the thinking behind "the process". Plus Beane had no intention of even signing AJ until the night before he actually signed him. Beane admitted that he contacted Hue Jackson and previous coaches the night before McCarrin put ink to paper. If they really thought highly of him, McBeane would have done their homework prior to the night before. Edited March 18, 2018 by Bills4life1924 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 Sounds good. Get him some offensive lineman and WR’s and take a flier on a QB in the 2nd or 3rd rounds. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 They're going to...it would also be a folly of the highest order to not draft another potential franchise QB You need irons in the fire 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo Montoya Posted March 18, 2018 Author Share Posted March 18, 2018 I don’t know if “the process” involves giving up an entire draft to grab a QB on a team with an inadequate WR and LB corps, and a questionable O line. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 Franchise QBs can be had in later rounds. They don’t have to trade up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 AJ just has to eliminate some punk rookie... CAKE... Just ask Matt Flynn. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 Too many needs to go all in on a QB that may not pan out. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 Just now, Sky Diver said: Franchise QBs can be had in later rounds. They don’t have to trade up. I'm in for giving McCarron a legit chance to start and grabbing White in Round 2. Hopefully, after we have grabbed Price assuming the prognosis is he is available early in the fall. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 AJ will have every chance to be a star. What he does with it is up to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 He'll get his chance but that won't preclude Beane/McD from going after a potential franchise QB if one is to be had. They just need to stick to their board and valuations and trust their own process. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 We've tried with these type of QB's before (of varying playing styles) over the years that cost us to pass on current franchise QB's in the 1st round. Trent Edwards, Ryan Fitzpatrick, and Tyrod Taylor weren't drafted in the first two rounds and we ended up wasting seven or so years of them as starter thinking they were our guy. Even Brian Brohm was being hyped up at least on BBMB. It would be a pleasant surprise if he turned into the next Kurt Cousins, but I'm not getting my hopes up. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Hooks Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 (edited) We are. We’re giving him a legit chance to battle against a rookie (no matter who that ends up being) to be the starter for our nfl franchise. It doesnt get any any more honest than that. Edited March 18, 2018 by Bobby Hooks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills4life1924 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 Just now, Inigo Montoya said: I don’t know if “the process” involves giving up an entire draft to grab a QB on a team with an inadequate WR and LB corps, and a questionable O line. I agree, I don't see them moving to top 5 and mortgaging a lot of picks. But every year a player slides. There are 4 top qb's and I doubt all 4 go in top 5 picks. I feel we will trade up inbetween 6-10 to get 1 of the qb's that slide. We would still have some nice picks for top tier prospects 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 5 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: They're going to...it would also be a folly of the highest order to not draft another potential franchise QB You need irons in the fire Just now, Rc2catch said: AJ will have every chance to be a star. What he does with it is up to him. He will have every chance to be a decent QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
par73 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 McCarron has had four years to challenge Andy Dalton in Cincinnati, and there has never been talk of a real competition. A fifth round draft pick-- with obvious limitations who will never be mistaken for a franchise guy (or even a true starter). If McCarron starts, it will either be because the rookie needs time, or the Bills were unable to get the guy they want. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadLandsMeanie Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 5 minutes ago, Bills4life1924 said: They call it "the process" for a reason. I highly doubt McCarron was part of the thinking behind "the process". Plus Beane had no intention of even signing AJ until the night before he actually signed him. Beane admitted that he contacted Hue Jackson and previous coaches the night before McCarrin put ink to paper. If they really thought highly of him, McBeane would have done their homework prior to the night before. Well, I went to find the quotes (pasted below) because I thought you must have had it wrong. But I think you have maybe caught Beane on something. Doing homework and being slow and methodical doesn't go along very well with saying he talked to guys a day or two before he signed him. To me that sounds terrible. I hope there is more to the story. Anyway good job spotting that Bills. "We did our homework on all these guys, we looked at a lot of different areas, we took it slow,” Beane said. “I know everyone was jumping on guys quick, but I went with the more methodical, let’s make the right decision (approach) and not get into chase mode.” Beane said he spoke to Browns coach Hue Jackson on Tuesday night about McCarron, whom he had coached while serving as offensive coordinator in Cincinnati. Remember, Jackson wanted the Browns to acquire McCarron at the trading deadline in October and would have had him if not for an “only-the-Browns” type of clerical error. Beane also texted with two other coaches who’d worked with McCarron to get a feel for who he is." "I actually spoke to Hue Jackson the night before we signed [McCarron], texted with two other coaches of his that I know,'' Bills general manager Brandon Beane said in a Friday press conference, according to Cleveland.com's Mary Kay Cabot. "And the one word they told me about AJ that got me fired up was 'competitor' and I love that." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 (edited) They will. Only way they start a rookie game 1 is if its Jackson. Edited March 18, 2018 by CuddyDark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, Rc2catch said: AJ will have every chance to be a star. What he does with it is up to him. He’s a super competitive guy who is used to winning. 1 minute ago, Doc Brown said: We've tried with these type of QB's before (of varying playing styles) over the years that cost us to pass on current franchise QB's in the 1st round. Trent Edwards, Ryan Fitzpatrick, and Tyrod Taylor weren't drafted in the first two rounds and we ended up wasting seven or so years of them as starter thinking they were our guy. Even Brian Brohm was being hyped up at least on BBMB. It would be a pleasant surprise if he turned into the next Kurt Cousins, but I'm not getting my hopes up. We’ve tried drafting QB in the first round and giving up 1st round picks for QB’s and that hasn’t worked out either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: He’s a super competitive guy who is used to winning. We’ve tried drafting QB in the first round and giving up 1st round picks for QB’s and that hasn’t worked out either. Would you say there's a better chance of acquiring a franchise QB in the top 10 of the NFL draft or trading for a later round NFL backup that's looked good in limited game action? Edited March 18, 2018 by Doc Brown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills4life1924 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 4 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: We’ve tried drafting QB in the first round and giving up 1st round picks for QB’s and that hasn’t worked out either. When was the last time we gave up a 1st round pick for a QB??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 3 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: He’s a super competitive guy who is used to winning. We’ve tried drafting QB in the first round and giving up 1st round picks for QB’s and that hasn’t worked out either. The Bills have never don that for a QB at the top of the draft. You have just a bit of Bama bias in your posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 He’s 27yrs old and has been in the league how many years now? I feel like ive heard this before with another player we had. Hmmm 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 Just now, Bills4life1924 said: When was the last time we gave up a 1st round pick for a QB??? Bledsoe. Before that Rob Johnson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 I'm pulling for McCarron, I don't care if we trade up to #1, he should be the starter until he does something to lose the job. Redshirt the rookie, pray that a year from now we have 2 good QBs, trade McCarron for multiple draft picks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Hooks Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 1 minute ago, Doc Brown said: Would you say there's a better chance of acquiring a franchise QB in the top 10 of the NFL draft or trading for a later round backup that's looked good in limited game action? He thinks Mccarron is going to be our franchise guy. Just wanted Ted to let you know who you’re debating. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 He’ll get a chance- his deal virtually says it. They’ve gotta go get a prospect to groom though; one obtained through reasonable means ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 Just now, NewDayBills said: I'm pulling for McCarron, I don't care if we trade up to #1, he should be the starter until he does something to lose the job. Redshirt the rookie, pray that a year from now we have 2 good QBs, trade McCarron for multiple draft picks. He should be the starter if he earns the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 1 minute ago, Doc Brown said: Would you say there's a better chance of acquiring a franchise QB in the top 10 of the NFL draft or trading for a later round backup that's looked good in limited game action? Is it worth giving up a ton of draft picks for the chance to get Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield, or Allen? I don’t think so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills4life1924 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 1 minute ago, Doc Brown said: Bledsoe. Before that Rob Johnson. Okay but after so long aren't you ready to try again to find our brady, brees, rodgers, wilson, luck, etc...??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, Bobby Hooks said: He thinks Mccarron is going to be our franchise guy. Just wanted Ted to let you know who you’re debating. Or a draft pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macaroni Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 He will get his chance .... an open competition between Him, Peterson, and Rudolph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said: He should be the starter if he earns the job. The backup is always the most popular guy on the team. If we start a rookie week 1 and he goes through growing pains, fans will be banging the table for McCarron to come in. Give the rookie all the time in the world. Sit him down, if McCarron is sucking 5-6 games into the season bench him for [insert draft choice]. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: Bledsoe. Before that Rob Johnson. We could have had Russell Wilson in the 3rd round but we drafted a WR who was a bust. I almost smashed my TV when we passed on Wilson. Edited March 18, 2018 by Sky Diver 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 25 minutes ago, Inigo Montoya said: He was in Saban’s pro-style offense. He played well in big games, won two national championships. Is used to taking snaps under center. Has a 66.9% accuracy percentage which is better than every other QB prospect in this year’s draft besides Mayfield. He has now had a couple of years to sit behind Andy Dalton, a solid NFL QB, and acclimate to the NFL, and has looked good in spot duty when Dalton was out. I think going up to pick 2 is going to take all of our draft capital. I’d rather give McCarron an honest chance to be our QB. Surround him with talent from this year’s draft and let’s see what the kid can do. Accuracy percentages 2017 Mayfield. 70.1% Rosen 62.6% Darnold 63.1% Allen 56.3% Jackson 59.1% McCarron career 66.9% Id say we gave Tyrod an honest shot at winning the job. He did. He had a winning record. We made the playoffs. And we bitched and whined every minute of it as fans bc he wasnt a “franchise QB”. So yeh, lets relive that with AJ. Sounds lovely. No thanks. I want to trade the farm now for a QB. That way if he needs to be burned at the stake, it’ll br well-deserved. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 Just now, Bills4life1924 said: Okay but after so long aren't you ready to try again to find our brady, brees, rodgers, wilson, luck, etc...??? Yes. Look at my avatar. Fricken trade up. There's three great QB prospects in Darnold, Rosen, and Mayfield imo. I'm sick of being in a constant state of mediocrity because we can't find our franchise QB. Picking 1st round QB's outside the top 10 hasn't worked. Trading for promising backups hasn't worked. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 Just now, NewDayBills said: The backup is always the most popular guy on the team. If we start a rookie week 1 and he goes through growing pains, fans will be banging the table for McCarron to come in. Give the rookie all the time in the world. Sit him down, if McCarron is sucking 5-6 games into the season bench him for [insert draft choice]. There's no hard and fast rule for this nor should there be. See Russell Wilson and Carson Wentz for reference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manther Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 28 minutes ago, Inigo Montoya said: He was in Saban’s pro-style offense. He played well in big games, won two national championships. Is used to taking snaps under center. Has a 66.9% accuracy percentage which is better than every other QB prospect in this year’s draft besides Mayfield. He has now had a couple of years to sit behind Andy Dalton, a solid NFL QB, and acclimate to the NFL, and has looked good in spot duty when Dalton was out. I think going up to pick 2 is going to take all of our draft capital. I’d rather give McCarron an honest chance to be our QB. Surround him with talent from this year’s draft and let’s see what the kid can do. Accuracy percentages 2017 Mayfield. 70.1% Rosen 62.6% Darnold 63.1% Allen 56.3% Jackson 59.1% McCarron career 66.9% IMO McCarron will be given a chance AND we will draft a QB who will also be given a chance. The two are not mutualy exclusive. I think the only way McCarron doesn't start day one are...... - we draft Rosen - McCarron gets hurt - Peterman wins the job in TC (not likely) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 Just now, Doc Brown said: Yes. Look at my avatar. Fricken trade up. There's three great QB prospects in Darnold, Rosen, and Mayfield imo. I'm sick of being in a constant state of mediocrity because we can't find our franchise QB. Picking 1st round QB's outside the top 10 hasn't worked. Trading for promising backups hasn't worked. No proof they won’t be mediocre or worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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