Reed83HOF Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Greg Gabriel @greggabe 15s15 seconds ago Bills may be SOL and have to get a QB from next group after top 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Just now, Reed83HOF said: Greg Gabriel @greggabe 15s15 seconds ago Bills may be SOL and have to get a QB from next group after top 4. May be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 28 minutes ago, Jay_Fixit said: They have other pressing needs. They don’t need a QB. Like I said, lots of money. What is lots of money to you ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 22 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said: Spot on. This is my take too. Either the Giants are taking Rosen or they are selling the pick for a return that'll make the Jets return look like child's play. I also wouldn't put it past Denver to give Cleveland a pick or two to flop 4 and 5. Browns walk out of the draft with the top QB and top position player. The gun is to Beane's head now. Are they willing to trade #12 / #22 / #53 / #56 / #65 / and probably a 1st or 2nd in 2019 for the #2 QB, or are they going to risk their jobs on McCarron / Peterman / a QB picked later? How did you calculate that trade? No way Beane makes that move Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 15 minutes ago, Misterbluesky said: You need to look at what Denver has plans to do...he will be a Bronco. Yah there's no way Mayfield makes it to us @ 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 5 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said: Even the Jets have to be smart enough to realize letting Baker loose in NYC is asking for trouble. But doesn't Mayfield seem like the perfect fit in NYC or Jersey ? He's cocky and everything else a Jets fan is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Mayfield is a wildcard in this draft. I could see him going anywhere from #3 to #12. Personally I like him best out of all the QBs but I can't tell what NFL teams think. His height might scare people off, I just don't know. If he falls out of the top 5 we'd be crazy to not go get him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 8 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: Greg Gabriel @greggabe 15s15 seconds ago Bills may be SOL and have to get a QB from next group after top 4. There's no "may be" about it. They're SOL. But hey, one and done and 3 points in the playoffs was worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Pick 4 seems like the most likely trade up scenario but that is only if Barkley is taken in the top 3. The Browns take a QB, the Giants take Barkely, and the Jets take a QB. That opens up the Browns (who have just drafted their QB) to take even more picks for a trade up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 1 minute ago, HappyDays said: Mayfield is a wildcard in this draft. I could see him going anywhere from #3 to #12. Personally I like him best out of all the QBs but I can't tell what NFL teams think. His height might scare people off, I just don't know. If he falls out of the top 5 we'd be crazy to not go get him. I don't think he makes it pass Broncos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 12 minutes ago, Dalton said: How did you calculate that trade? No way Beane makes that move Reality and historical precedence. To get to #2, that's very likely the price. MAYBE take out #65 or #56 or the 2019 pick, but the Jets just gave 3 2nd round picks to move up 3 spots, if you don't think the price for #2 would be something along those lines, i don't know what to tell you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ittakestime Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 8 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: Greg Gabriel @greggabe 15s15 seconds ago Bills may be SOL and have to get a QB from next group after top 4. Who is in top 4? There is a top 5, but I don't think I have seen a consensus top 4. The plan was for the rookie QB to sit. If the kid is going to sit, any of the top 5 are fine. Just don't give up too much to move up. Stay at 12, or move up a couple spots if you have to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 1 minute ago, joesixpack said: There's no "may be" about it. They're SOL. But hey, one and done and 3 points in the playoffs was worth it. but true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Just now, joesixpack said: There's no "may be" about it. They're SOL. But hey, one and done and 3 points in the playoffs was worth it. If the top 3 teams grab a QB then the Browns could be open for business at pick 4, unless they are just completely enamored with Barkley that a package of picks doesn't entice them. There also exists a trade up opportunity at pick 4 if the Giants take Barkley at 2 after the Browns take a QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 20 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: Greg Gabriel @greggabe 15s15 seconds ago Bills may be SOL and have to get a QB from next group after top 4. Browns - Darnold Giants - Rosen Jets - Allen Broncos - Mayfield Then the draft starts at 5 Wouldn't be shocked to see Jackson go before 12 The good news is we'll be in a position to add a lot of talent to the roster. The bad news is unless McCarron or a later pick become a gem, welcome to QB purgatory, never bad enough to draft an elite prospect, never good enough to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Hamburg Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 46 minutes ago, xRUSHx said: Right on man, The way I see it Cleveland, Jests, Denver and Arizona with a move up will take a QB before us at 12 that is if the Bills even take one at 12 now. Will we ever have a staff that holds the QB position in a higher regard? yep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, Ittakestime said: Who is in top 4? There is a top 5, but I don't think I have seen a consensus top 4. The plan was for the rookie QB to sit. If the kid is going to sit, any of the top 5 are fine. Just don't give up too much to move up. Stay at 12, or move up a couple spots if you have to. Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield and Allen... Jackson and Rudolph are in the Jp Losman group 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ittakestime Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Reed83HOF said: Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield and Allen... Jackson and Rudolph are in the Jp Losman group That's funny because I can find countless amounts of analysts, "scouts", media, etc. that put Jackson over Allen and sometime Mayfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Will the Jets cut Bridgewater? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 46 minutes ago, Jay_Fixit said: I’ll bet money Denver doesn’t take a QB at 5. Lots of money. They sent the GM, head coach, and personnel guy to watch Mayfield and Rosen in person and they requested Allen and Mayfield to be on their team at the senior bowl all as a big smoke screen. Riiiiight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, Ittakestime said: That's funny because I can find countless amounts of analysts, "scouts", media, etc. that put Jackson over Allen and sometime Mayfield. Jackson is not over mayfield... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Nope we will have Rudolph or Jackson ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndyMark Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 24 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said: The gun is to Beane's head now. Are they willing to trade #12 / #22 / #53 / #56 / #65 / and probably a 1st or 2nd in 2019 for the #2 QB, or are they going to risk their jobs on McCarron / Peterman / a QB picked later? Given that McD himself has said the Bills are "...not as far along as people think...." and our GM has acquired fairly high draft pics to the extent that have 6 of the top 100 pics, it appears to me they want to build a team via the draft; gain solid day one starters and add essential depth that could contribute sooner rather than later. When Beane was acquiring these picks not once did I feel or sense he was doing so to turn them around and pay a ridiculous price for what would be a high risk player. It would be counter intuitive to forfeit those picks for one position and at that a high risk QB; in what some NFL people view is a very overrated pool of QB's. I would think Beane should be fired if he were to do the bold suggestion above. I think staying at 12 and seeing how the draft unfolds would be the prudent and smart thing to do.....panicking and unloading draft picks (ala Ditka) is short-sighted and not what a seasoned GM would consider. Sure, if the next Andrew Luck were available that is one thing, but there are severely evident flaws in each of the QB's noted at the top of this years draft and it is not like the only missing piece for the Bills is QB. The Bills have many holes and limited depth, having 6 premier picks addresses that, now. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuelTime Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Does anyone else think we could see 4 QBs with the first 4 picks? Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield, Allen (Cleveland trades pick)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 57 minutes ago, Bronxbomber21 said: I would like to thank the Jets for tipping there hand that they want Rosen and for also leaving Buffalo the chance to land Baker Mayfield without having to trade up into the top 4 to get him. If you dont get to 2 or 1 your getting shut out on the top 3 QBs period. You can try and sugar coat it how you want but you are just kidding yourself 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 20 minutes ago, Putin said: What is lots of money to you ? 30 grand. Easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 6 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield and Allen... Jackson and Rudolph are in the Jp Losman group This is why the Jets trade scares me so much. Beane has done everything right up to this point. We have/had all the equity necessary to make a move for a franchise QB. Jackson or Rudolph would feel like old times at OBD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 23 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: Greg Gabriel @greggabe 15s15 seconds ago Bills may be SOL and have to get a QB from next group after top 4. Then this....... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Greg Gabriel @greggabe 57s58 seconds ago If Buffalo ends up with one of the 2nd tier QB’s I’m not so sure that guy won’t end up better than some of the top tier guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigK14094 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 (edited) I am not against drafting a second tier guy they like.......and taking a season with three QB's to sort out the future. McCarron could well win the starting job over two others, and, might never loose it. I hate the idea of a high QB draft pick after living through Losman, Manual. apparently not easy to do or predict. I would point out to doubters that McCarrons college credentials are very like Watson....maybe even better. And, with 4 years in the league, he is ready for a shot now. finally, I am thinking that should we stay at 12 ,and say the top 5 QB's are gone....Bills might be in the Vita Vea market, despite recent signings. Edited March 17, 2018 by bigK14094 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 11 minutes ago, IndyMark said: Given that McD himself has said the Bills are "...not as far along as people think...." and our GM has acquired fairly high draft pics to the extent that have 6 of the top 100 pics, it appears to me they want to build a team via the draft; gain solid day one starters and add essential depth that could contribute sooner rather than later. When Beane was acquiring these picks not once did I feel or sense he was doing so to turn them around and pay a ridiculous price for what would be a high risk player. It would be counter intuitive to forfeit those picks for one position and at that a high risk QB; in what some NFL people view is a very overrated pool of QB's. I would think Beane should be fired if he were to do the bold suggestion above. I think staying at 12 and seeing how the draft unfolds would be the prudent and smart thing to do.....panicking and unloading draft picks (ala Ditka) is short-sighted and not what a seasoned GM would consider. Sure, if the next Andrew Luck were available that is one thing, but there are severely evident flaws in each of the QB's noted at the top of this years draft and it is not like the only missing piece for the Bills is QB. The Bills have many holes and limited depth, having 6 premier picks addresses that, now. Darnold is the highest rated QB on NFL.com's prospect list since Luck. This class has been talked about for years. The notion this is a deeply flawed overrated pool of QBs is utter nonsense. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 1 minute ago, PIZ said: Then this....... That makes me feel so much better. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 1 minute ago, DriveFor1Outta5 said: This is why the Jets trade scares me so much. Beane has done everything right up to this point. We have/had all the equity necessary to make a move for a franchise QB. Jackson or Rudolph would feel like old times at OBD. Doesn't it though? Just yesterday in a thread I mentioned the Jets scared me....ball is in Beane's court 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 11 minutes ago, bigK14094 said: I am not against drafting a second tier guy they like.......and taking a season with three QB's to sort out the future. McCarron could well win the starting job over two others, and, might never loose it. I hate the idea of a high QB draft pick after living through Losman, Manual. apparently not easy to do or predict. I would point out to doubters that McCarrons college credentials are very like Watson....maybe even better. And, with 4 years in the league, he is ready for a shot now. finally, I am thinking that should we stay at 12 ,and say the top 5 QB's are gone....Bills might be in the Vita Vea market, despite recent signings. Losman and Manuel were not drafting a QB high. That was talking yourself into taking a flawed player early. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 8 minutes ago, Shaw66 said: Will the Jets cut Bridgewater? They might have wanted to sit him under McCown for a season. He is still NFL young. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, DriveFor1Outta5 said: That makes me feel so much better. Can't tell if serious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Chuck Wagon said: Darnold is the highest rated QB on NFL.com's prospect list since Luck. This class has been talked about for years. The notion this is a deeply flawed overrated pool of QBs is utter nonsense. I’m not a Mayfield guy, but I’d take him over the second tier guys without question. I’m not sold on him, but he has a chance to be great. I use this an an example to show that I’m not sold on all of these guys, but I won’t deny the amazing potential that the top of this QB draft class possess. I’d be terrible to miss out on one of the first tier guys this year, even Mayfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 8 minutes ago, TuelTime said: Does anyone else think we could see 4 QBs with the first 4 picks? Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield, Allen (Cleveland trades pick)? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Just now, joesixpack said: Can't tell if serious. Not at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Just now, Jay_Fixit said: No. But they will be gone before ten. Take it to the bank, stone cold lead pipe lock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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