The Jets trade opens up Mayfield to Bills.

[3rdand12]

7 minutes ago, Jay_Fixit said:

30 grand.

 

Easy.

I will know it when i actually have it.
Keep hope alive.
Bills could come out just fine from all this.
 

[Chuck Wagon]

9 minutes ago, DriveFor1Outta5 said:

I’m not a Mayfield guy, but I’d take him over the second tier guys without question. I’m not sold on him, but he has a chance to be great. I use this an an example to show that I’m not sold on all of these guys, but I won’t deny the amazing potential that the top of this QB draft class possess. I’d be terrible to miss out on one of the first tier guys this year, even Mayfield. 

 

You are exactly right. The 4th best guy this year would likely be the top guy many years.  Some people can't understand that one guy hasn't separated because all of them are very good in their own ways and think that means none of them are any good.

[IndyMark]

1 minute ago, Chuck Wagon said:

 

 

Darnold is the highest rated QB on NFL.com's prospect list since Luck.

 

This class has been talked about for years.  The notion this is a deeply flawed overrated pool of QBs is utter nonsense.

 

Respectfully disagree.  The typical endorsers of "cannot miss QB's" - think Mike Mayock, et al. - are adding qualifiers to their support of these QB's as a way to hedge any bets on where these QB's will eventually end up performing.

 

It is patently false to think any of these QB's are near the reputation Luck had coming out.  That is my point.  Also, as some posters above are noting, there is just as good a chance the second tier will end up outperforming the first tier of this class.

 

Knowing this, why in the world would someone forfeit 5 or 6 premier picks for a high risk?  Does not make sense.  I cannot see McD or Beane differing here.  I have been wrong before, but the smart move is to add key talent in volume, now.   

[stinky finger]

36 minutes ago, PIZ said:

Do we know for sure that the Jets want Rosen?  I like Rosen, but he is a risky pick.  

Aren't they all?

 

I wonder if the Jets know who they want. They didn't get Cousins and now must placate the base by moving up with no guarantee they get their guy. 

[BillsFan4]

1 hour ago, xRUSHx said:

Right on man, 

The way I see it Cleveland, Jests, Denver and Arizona with a move up will take a QB before us at 12 that is if the Bills even take one at 12 now. Will we ever have a staff that holds the QB position in a higher regard?

 

How can you possibly say this yet? Beane hasn't even had one freaking draft as the Bills GM! 

 

Also, Chris Ballard (Colts GM) said he was in talks with other QB needy teams and decided to take the Jets offer because he felt comfortable that they would still get one of their top rated players at #6. 

So how do you know Beane didn't make a good offer for that pick and the Colts just chose the Jets offer? 

 

 

You seem to have already written this staff off before their first draft just because they haven't traded up for a QB 6 weeks before the draft even happens. 

 

 

 

[xRUSHx]

1 minute ago, BillsFan4 said:

 

How can you possibly say this yet? Beane hasn't even had one freaking draft as the Bills GM! 

 

Also, Chris Ballard (Colts GM) said he was in talks with other QB needy teams and decided to take the Jets offer because he felt comfortable that they would still get one of their top rated players at #6. 

So how do you know Beane didn't make a good offer for that pick and the Colts just chose the Jets offer? 

 

 

You seem to have already written this staff off before their first draft just because they haven't traded up for a QB 6 weeks before the draft even happens. 

 

 

 

Disappointed man, very disapointed.

[Hurricane Marv]

I think we're all going to have to learn to like McCarron quick.  And the Daboll/Ridley connection can't be ignored.  I think we're going to sit right there at 12 and take him, providing McCarron with a shiny new toy from the same program.

[DriveFor1Outta5]

7 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said:

 

You are exactly right. The 4th best guy this year would likely be the top guy many years.  Some people can't understand that one guy hasn't separated because all of them are very good in their own ways and think that means none of them are any good.

Great point. Their collective potential has somewhat diminished their individual accomplishments. In the competitive world of sports we always want to pit guys against each other. One guy has to be the best for us to be satisfied. The reality may be something completely different. There is the chance that all of these guys might become great. This is why it’s a bad year to go second tier imo. 

Edited March 17, 2018 by DriveFor1Outta5

[TuelTime]

5 minutes ago, inaugural balls said:

Aren't they all?

 

I wonder if the Jets know who they want. They didn't get Cousins and now must placate the base by moving up with no guarantee they get their guy. 

 

I think the trade shows the general consensus is that the top 3 QBs are considered "can't miss" prospects. I'm pretty sure our base would be satiated with either 3.

[DriveFor1Outta5]

1 minute ago, Hurricane Marv said:

I think we're all going to have to learn to like McCarron quick.  And the Daboll/Ridley connection can't be ignored.  I think we're going to sit right there at 12 and take him, providing McCarron with a shiny new toy from the same program.

Those guys would be morons if they mortgage their future on McCarron. They haven’t done so yet, just saying that it would idiotic if they did so. 

[BillsFan4]

10 minutes ago, xRUSHx said:

Disappointed man, very disapointed.

So am I. 

 

But this stuff is all out all out of our control. Let's wait and see what happens. We could still trade to #2, or if not to #5, 6 etc. to grab a guy like Mayfield or Allen. 

 

Or we take Rudolph at 12 or 22. Or White/Lauletta/Falk etc in the 2nd. 

 

This is is a very deep looking QB draft class. They will draft a guy in the first 2 rounds (and most likely in the 1st IMO), I am almost positive on that. 

 

Who knows, we could end up with one of the best QBs in this draft. Drafting college QBs is such a crap shoot. There is no guarantee that Rosen ends up better than one of the 2nd tier guys (even though I REALLY want Rosen!). I'm just saying that you have to wait and let things play out.

 

Let's see who the best QB is 2-3 years from now before we  burn Beane at the stake! 

From what we've seen so far IMO Beane and McDermott look to be the bes front office staff we've had since Polian. I'm not anywhere near ready to write them off yet even if they don't get their franchise QB this year. I really really hope they do, but it's not the end of the world if not. They WILL take a shot on a QB this year, that I know. 

 

There's nothing Beane can do if the Colts chose the Jets offer over the Bills (if that's what happened). 

 

And it could actually work work out better for us if we now trade to #2 instead of #3. 

How much would it have sucked to trad to #3 and then have the Jets or some other team jump up to #2 and leave our 3rd choice at QB after paying a fortune? 

Edited March 17, 2018 by BillsFan4

[stinky finger]

17 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said:

 

 

Darnold is the highest rated QB on NFL.com's prospect list since Luck.

 

This class has been talked about for years.  The notion this is a deeply flawed overrated pool of QBs is utter nonsense.

So success is guaranteed?

2 minutes ago, TuelTime said:

 

I think the trade shows the general consensus is that the top 3 QBs are considered "can't miss" prospects. I'm pretty sure our base would be satiated with either 3.

Right. They hope the one they get is good.

[Meatplow]

At this point I suspect Beane has already secured the #2 pick from the giants and he just hasn't made it official.  If not...  At least I'll be saving an a**load of cash I would have otherwise spent on the ticket again this year. 

[Hurricane Marv]

5 minutes ago, DriveFor1Outta5 said:

Those guys would be morons if they mortgage their future on McCarron. They haven’t done so yet, just saying that it would idiotic if they did so. 

 

I don't disagree, it just may not be so much about mortgaging the future as it is saving your ass with an offensive weapon for McCarron / Peterman / whatever QB you can get in round 2 if they miss out on the top 4, which seems likely.

Edited March 17, 2018 by Hurricane Marv

[DriveFor1Outta5]

1 minute ago, Hurricane Marv said:

 

I don't disagree, it just may not be so much about mortgaging the future as it is saving your ass with an offensive weapon for McCarron / Peterman / whatever QB you can get in round 2 if they miss out on the top 4, which seems likely.

They’ve just put so much into what appeared to be a move for a QB. Why weren’t we the ones who made this trade with the Colts? We could have made a better offer than the Jets. My only answer is they think that they need the number two pick for their guy, or they want someone to fall to them at 12 (bad mistake imo). Either way, I disagree with the philosophy. This QB class is deep at the top. I’d feel pretty good sitting at no.3. I’d feel much better today if we were the ones who made that trade. 

6 minutes ago, Meatplow said:

At this point I suspect Beane has already secured the #2 pick from the giants and he just hasn't made it official.  If not...  At least I'll be saving an a**load of cash I would have otherwise spent on the ticket again this year. 

I hope you’re right about securing the #2. The latter part, not so much. This is a talented QB class. Next seasons class will be nowhere close to this one in talent. Beane would simply be saving cash for a team who will be firing him soon, if he doesn’t get a QB this season. 

[bigK14094]

Mayfield not going to be a Bill!   Attitude wrong imho......McD wants right chemistry......

[Meatplow]

5 minutes ago, DriveFor1Outta5 said:

11 minutes ago, Meatplow said:

At this point I suspect Beane has already secured the #2 pick from the giants and he just hasn't made it official.  If not...  At least I'll be saving an a**load of cash I would have otherwise spent on the ticket again this year. 

I hope you’re right about securing the #2. The latter part, not so much. This is a talented QB class. Next seasons class will be nowhere close to this one in talent. Beane would simply be saving cash for a team who will be firing him soon, if he doesn’t get a QB this season. 

I was talking about ME saving an a**load of cash by not paying for NFL Sunday Ticket  

[DriveFor1Outta5]

2 minutes ago, Meatplow said:

I was talking about ME saving an a**load of cash by not paying for NFL Sunday Ticket  

Ha, I misread the “I” part. Same here. 

Edited March 17, 2018 by DriveFor1Outta5

[T-Bomb]

1 hour ago, BuffAlone said:

After just paying Keenum 36 million and Joseph stating that he was the "missing" piece? I think Denver is out of the first rd QB market

 

nope

[BuffAlone]

1 minute ago, T-Bomb said:

 

nope

No? Because Vance Joseph himself said that "he is the missing piece". Must be he's a liar and you have the REAL scoop? If so, by all means, share with your Bill's brethren man!!

[T-Bomb]

1 minute ago, BuffAlone said:

No? Because Vance Joseph himself said that "he is the missing piece". Must be he's a liar and you have the REAL scoop? If so, by all means, share with your Bill's brethren man!!

 

What else is he going to say???

[BuffAlone]

It's like J.R. High here. Good grief

Just now, T-Bomb said:

 

What else is he going to say???

Umm....like maybe we feel good to have him.we'll see where we go from here?

Maybe?

Just like Cle pronouncing TT the starter. What else was he to say? Everybody just lies I guess lol

[SoTier]

1 hour ago, BuffAlone said:

After just paying Keenum 36 million and Joseph stating that he was the "missing" piece? I think Denver is out of the first rd QB market

 

They also have Patrick Lynch for 2 more years, maybe 3, on his rookie deal.  I bet they move to reload their D (Fitzpatrick) or possibly OL (Nelson) at #5 if they don't trade down.  I wouldn't be opposed to the Bills trading up to #5 for Mayfield.

1 hour ago, Real McCoy said:

Mayfied at 5 to the Broncos or 11 Dolphins.

 

The Carp just redid Tannehill's contract, so he's not going anywhere for a while.  They're out of the 2018 QB derby.

[Tyrod's friend]

1 hour ago, MAJBobby said:

 

If you dont get to 2 or 1 your getting shut out on the top 3 QBs period. 

 

You can try and sugar coat it how you want but you are just kidding yourself 

because the NFL doesn't have any success stories of QBs that were either the first or second taken off the board. 

or alternatively, where the first or second QB off the books wasn't a complete bust. 
MOVEUPMOVEUPMOVEUPIVERUNOUTOFIDEASMOVEUP

[Real McClappy]

12 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

They also have Patrick Lynch for 2 more years, maybe 3, on his rookie deal.  I bet they move to reload their D (Fitzpatrick) or possibly OL (Nelson) at #5 if they don't trade down.  I wouldn't be opposed to the Bills trading up to #5 for Mayfield.

 

The Carp just redid Tannehill's contract, so he's not going anywhere for a while.  They're out of the 2018 QB derby.

Sweet! I missed this

[mileena]

2 hours ago, Bronxbomber21 said:

I would like to thank the Jets for tipping there hand that they want Rosen and for also leaving Buffalo the chance to land Baker Mayfield without having to trade up into the top 4 to get him.

 

It is unlikely the Jets are drafting a QB there. They have their guy already in Bridgewater.

[T-Bomb]

33 minutes ago, BuffAlone said:

It's like J.R. High here. Good grief

Umm....like maybe we feel good to have him.we'll see where we go from here?

Maybe?

Just like Cle pronouncing TT the starter. What else was he to say? Everybody just lies I guess lol

 

Yes, NFL FO's and coaches lie all the time.  They never say anything other than what they just did was what they intended to do all along, which we all know is total BS.

[BillsSbSoon]

9 minutes ago, mileena said:

 

It is unlikely the Jets are drafting a QB there. They have their guy already in Bridgewater.

Not sure if serious? Jets are def taking a qb. They signed teddy to a one year deal and he might not even beat out 40 yr old josh mccown. Teddy wasnt even that good before he got hurt, and the injury he had was pretty serious. Jets are taking a qb.

[mileena]

1 minute ago, BillsSbSoon said:

Not sure if serious? Jets are def taking a qb. They signed teddy to a one year deal and he might not even beat out 40 yr old josh mccown. Teddy wasnt even that good before he got hurt, and the injury he had was pretty serious. Jets are taking a qb.

 

Ugh. I hate the Jets. We should have moved up to 3 if it cost only three 2nd round picks.

[NastyNateSoldiers]

2 hours ago, BuffAlone said:

Lol. I didn't say he was their long-term plan. I just think they gave him more than backup money to hold the fort for 2 years, hence removing them from 1st rd QB market. They paid for a starter, so they can upgrade the rest of the roster that is not too far removed from a SuperBowl

I'm actually hoping they take Allen now . I don't want that guy nowhere near the Bills

[baskingridgebillsfan]

I was listening to ny sports radio earlier.  It does seem like Rosen , Allen and Darnold are the jets preferences .  I the questions that remain what will Denver do and on draft night should the Bills move up a few sports to grab Mayfield blocking out Miami ?

[BuffAlone]

2 hours ago, SoTier said:

 

They also have Patrick Lynch for 2 more years, maybe 3, on his rookie deal.  I bet they move to reload their D (Fitzpatrick) or possibly OL (Nelson) at #5 if they don't trade down.  I wouldn't be opposed to the Bills trading up to #5 for Mayfield.

 

The Carp just redid Tannehill's contract, so he's not going anywhere for a while.  They're out of the 2018 QB derby.

I agree So Tier, on Denver's strategy. I don't see them going QB at this point. But, who knows? Except all of us here at this lovely message board?

1 hour ago, NastyNateSoldiers said:

I'm actually hoping they take Allen now . I don't want that guy nowhere near the Bills

He might turn out good. But, he needs the right coaching, and time to adjust. I just don't think that's in the Bills' interest at this juncture. Its not like he'd sit behind Favre a few years. We need a pro-ready QB. To me, its Rosen, followed by Darnold. Even Darnold is a stretch to start as a rookie imo. The rest definitely should have some time before starting

[26CornerBlitz]

4 hours ago, Ittakestime said:

 

You can swing in other rounds. The QB they wanted, Cousins, was taken in third 

 

Actually the 4th, but that's not what he was referring to. 

[Ittakestime]

19 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Actually the 4th, but that's not what he was referring to. 

 

Well Jeremiah doesn't think they take a QB unless Darnold is there so that's another guy that is on that page. 

[billsredneck1]

4 hours ago, Magox said:

If Rosen was the Bills target, I don't think we get him.

 

If Mayfield is the target, then I think Cleveland has got to be the trade partner.

 

I just don't see the Giants passing on Barkley and if they were it would be an outrageous demand.

 

i think after giving us what they did for tt and without making us pay the bonus, that there is already a deal made for no. 4.

beane knows what gettleman is going to do and the jets trade makes it a moot point. good for the colts. they got some good picks. depending on what the jets do, that should leave us rosen or mayfield. they can't pick both....and may take neither, thinking so much of chubb....since they now have no dline that ,that's the reason they traded with indy.

[transplantbillsfan]

Sure hope so

[Deep Voice]

7 hours ago, HappyDays said:

Mayfield is a wildcard in this draft. I could see him going anywhere from #3 to #12. Personally I like him best out of all the QBs but I can't tell what NFL teams think. His height might scare people off, I just don't know. If he falls out of the top 5 we'd be crazy to not go get him.

 

YEAH

[NastyNateSoldiers]

7 hours ago, BuffAlone said:

I agree So Tier, on Denver's strategy. I don't see them going QB at this point. But, who knows? Except all of us here at this lovely message board?

He might turn out good. But, he needs the right coaching, and time to adjust. I just don't think that's in the Bills' interest at this juncture. Its not like he'd sit behind Favre a few years. We need a pro-ready QB. To me, its Rosen, followed by Darnold. Even Darnold is a stretch to start as a rookie imo. The rest definitely should have some time before starting

Our best bet is in my opinion 

#1 Darnold 

#2 Barkley

#3 Rosen

#4 Fitzpatrick 

#5 Allen 

 

Then we trade up from 7-10 for Mayfield. 

 

[BobbyC81]

12 hours ago, Jay_Fixit said:

I’ll bet money Denver doesn’t take a QB at 5.

 

Lots of money.

 

Yep, people forget that not only do they already have a young QB in Paxton Lynch, they also have Chad Kelly.  The youngsters just aren’t ready yet.

[terrytate]

The qb's are going in the first four picks, it's just a matter of who gets to 4 between buffalo, denver and cardinals.