Bills Stay with 12th pick

[Max Fischer]

3 hours ago, TheTruthHurts said:

If we stay at 12 im not drafting a QB. I like Jackson but this staff wants a pocket passer.

 

Use the 9 picks to strengthen the roster.

 

If there is one thing I’m sure it’s that we have no idea what the staff wants. 

[Success]

7 minutes ago, IndyMark said:

Acquiring the 12th pick was genius, keeping it is just as smart.  Unloading the first half of our premier picks and "other picks" for one of the QBs in this draft seems a bit goofy and Ditka-ish.

 

It is curious to me why so many here feel we should overpay for a QB, in a class of QB's that many say is overrated.  Yet, this is the beauty of the NFL and message boards like this.  We are not the one's making the decisions, thankfully.

I agree with all of this.

[Domdab99]

4 hours ago, NewDayBills said:

Give me Rashaan Evans at 12 and Mason Rudolph at 22. Sit Rudolph down behind McCarron for the next 2 years.

 

sit him behind Joe freakin' Montana for 8 years if you want. He's never going to be a decent NFL QB. 

4 hours ago, RPbillsfan said:

Here is the Top 11 as I currently see it:

 

Browns - Sam Darbold

Giants - Saquon Barkley

Jets - Josh Rosen

Browns - Minkah Fitzpatrick 

Broncos - Quinten Nelson

Colts - Bradley Chubb

Buccaneers - Denzel Ward

Bears - Trumaine Edmunds

49ers - Derwin James

Raiders - Roquan Smith

Dolphins - Vita Vea

 

if this scenario plays out I see no real reason to give up draft capital with needs at MLB, OL, WR, CB, to move up higher with Josh Allen, Baker Mayfield and Lamar Jackson available.

 

I would take Allen or Jackson at 12 and hope Leighton Vander Eshe or Rashean Evans is available at 22

 

You really think the Dolphins pass on Allen, Mayfield, and Jackson? No way. 

3 hours ago, OldTimer1960 said:

I could get on board with this.  I think Rudolph could be pretty good.

 

based on what? Did you watch him play? Study film? Understand the system he was in? 

 

What makes you think Mason Rudolph is going to be good? 

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1 minute ago, Domdab99 said:

 

sit him behind Joe freakin' Montana for 8 years if you want. He's never going to be a decent NFL QB. 

Fans only know two names: Rosen and Darnold. 

 

Let's just sit here and gush over the two QB prospects that are going 1 and 2 overall! Great idea!

 

Want, want, want and want all you want, it's never going to happen.

 

Can we talk about QBs that we actually have a shot at drafting? Can we do that?

[Domdab99]

4 hours ago, yungmack said:

I believe McCarron is a better bet than Allen, Mayfield, Jackson or Rudolph, so if Rosen and Darnold are out of reach, stay at 12, go to work on the linebackers, WRs and Oline.

 

Based on what? I mean, he might be, but who really knows? He hasn't been able to unseat a middling QB in Dalton, though. 

5 minutes ago, NewDayBills said:

Fans only know two names: Rosen and Darnold. 

 

Let's just sit here and gush over the two QB prospects that are going 1 and 2 overall! Great idea!

 

Want, want, want and want all you want, it's never going to happen.

 

Can we talk about QBs that we actually have a shot at drafting? Can we do that?

 

Sure. Jackson. Maybe Mayfield. Even Allen. But if the Bills draft Mason Rudolph with anything more than their 2nd second-round pick, the Bills have blown it. And I have actually studied these QBs...so I'm not just "sayin' what I heard" somewhere else. 

Edited March 17, 2018 by Domdab99

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2 minutes ago, Domdab99 said:

Sure. Jackson. Maybe Mayfield. Even Allen. But if the Bills draft Mason Rudolph with anything more than there 2nd second-round pick, the Bills have blown it. 

If we wanted a QB like Jackson, we would have kept Tyrod. Allen and Mayfield? Wishful thinking, but a slight chance, but unlikely. Both could be gone in the top 5. Browns, Giants, Jets and Broncos all need QBs, if we were going to trade up, we would have done it already.

 

 

[PIZ]

Sad, but if we want a QB we have to trade up or take one at 12.  QB needy teams will overvalue the QBs and they may not be there at 22.

[Big Blitz]

4 hours ago, RPbillsfan said:

Here is the Top 11 as I currently see it:

 

Browns - Sam Darbold

Giants - Saquon Barkley

Jets - Josh Rosen

Browns - Minkah Fitzpatrick 

Broncos - Quinten Nelson

Colts - Bradley Chubb

Buccaneers - Denzel Ward

Bears - Trumaine Edmunds

49ers - Derwin James

Raiders - Roquan Smith

Dolphins - Vita Vea

 

if this scenario plays out I see no real reason to give up draft capital with needs at MLB, OL, WR, CB, to move up higher with Josh Allen, Baker Mayfield and Lamar Jackson available.

 

I would take Allen or Jackson at 12 and hope Leighton Vander Eshe or Rashean Evans is available at 22

 

 

This is the correct course of action right now if the Giants won't trade out.  Tell all teams picking 6-11 anyone comes at you with a trade offer for you to trade down, we can better it.   

 

I would still try for 4th pick, but wouldn't give up more then 12, and one 2nd.  

Edited March 17, 2018 by Big Blitz

[Domdab99]

5 minutes ago, NewDayBills said:

If we wanted a QB like Jackson, we would have kept Tyrod. Allen and Mayfield? Wishful thinking, but a slight chance, but unlikely. Both could be gone in the top 5. Browns, Giants, Jets and Broncos all need QBs, if we were going to trade up, we would have done it already.

 

 

lol in what way are Jackson and Tyrod similar, besides them both being black??

And just because we haven't panicked like the Jets doesn't mean we still won't move up. Better to wait for the workouts and draft day. 

I understand that you're confused, NewDay. That's obvious. 

Edited March 17, 2018 by Domdab99

[Fetou]

1 minute ago, Domdab99 said:

lol in what way are Jackson and Tyrod similar, besides them both being black??

And just because we haven't panicked like the Jets doesn't mean we still won't move up. Better to wait for the workouts and draft day. 

They both tend to hold the ball too long and rely on the scramble to make up for slow progressions.

[Solomon Grundy]

4 hours ago, bkep32 said:

Just playing scenarios here and still hope we move up to get a qb.  But what if OBD thinks price is too steep to move up to #1 or #2 to get ahead of jets. I dont think its to bad staying at 12 and doing something like this.

12. Edmunds or smith - LB

22. Lamar Jackson - QB

53. James Daniels - C

56. Chirstian Kirk - WR

65. Tim Settle - DT

 

I would be really happy with this.  Have lamar and aj in camp and battling it out.

Lamar won't make it to 22!! 

 

 

[JaCrispy]

8 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

This is the correct course of action right now if the Giants won't trade out.  Tell all teams picking 6-11 anyone comes at you with a trade offer for you to trade down, we can better it.   

 

I would still try for 4th pick, but wouldn't give up more then 12, and one 2nd.  

I would throw in the low 3rd rounder just because there will be competition for the pick

[Chuck Wagon]

4 hours ago, RPbillsfan said:

For the poster who said 4 QB's are going in the first 4 picks, who is going to trade up to 4 with Cleveland and specify the team and what they would give up.

 

Something to keep in mind, know the market, the draft capital, current team needs post free agency before you make a post that makes no sense.

 

If Denver is sold on a QB, they very easily could give Cleveland a 3rd rounder, maybe a conditional 2019 pick to flip picks.  Cleveland gets the exact same player, Denver makes sure no one else moves up.

 

Also, if you are going to call posters out, it helps to reply to their posts.

[Domdab99]

You won't get very far thinking Chris Simms knows what he's talking about. 

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7 minutes ago, Domdab99 said:

lol in what way are Jackson and Tyrod similar, besides them both being black??

And just because we haven't panicked like the Jets doesn't mean we still won't move up. Better to wait for the workouts and draft day. 

I understand that you're confused, NewDay. That's obvious. 

I think you're the one that is confused my friend. I'd be shocked if Jackson was the guy, he's a sandlot QB like Tyrod. I think we want a rhythmic pocket passer, a QB that beat you with their brain and their arm, I don't see that in Jackson. 

 

If we do take Jackson though, you're damn right I'd be confused. Tyrod would have been the perfect bridge for Jackson.

 

I stand by Rudolph btw. Not sure where he goes or where other teams value him, but he is going to be a good pro.

[Solomon Grundy]

1 minute ago, Domdab99 said:

You won't get very far thinking Chris Simms knows what he's talking about. 

Who's your draftnik?? Mel Kiper, Todd McShay?? I'd prefer listening to someone who has played the position, at a high level, to grade said position.

[K-9]

4 hours ago, DCOrange said:

One of two things happened with this Jets trade:

 

1. The Colts valued #6 over anything Buffalo could offer. This probably only makes sense if they badly want Chubb/Barkley still or if they think they'll be able to trade down again from #6 to to get even more assets

2. The Bills didn't want to move up to #3. This would seem to imply that they have a smaller move up in their plans, though I guess the idea of jumping up to #2 can't be completely written off.

Interesting thought here. If the Colts are looking for additional draft assets, 6 could still  be in play for us and that would give us more ammo to make a deal with the Giants at 2 who would still be able to get one of the blue chip targets at the top of the draft.  

[bobobonators]

4 hours ago, McBean said:

I would bet every single asset I own this will

not he how it shakes out.

 

4 QB’s are going with the first 4 picks.

Wtf? Has that EVER happened?

[OldTimer1960]

33 minutes ago, Domdab99 said:

 

sit him behind Joe freakin' Montana for 8 years if you want. He's never going to be a decent NFL QB. 

 

You really think the Dolphins pass on Allen, Mayfield, and Jackson? No way. 

 

based on what? Did you watch him play? Study film? Understand the system he was in? 

 

What makes you think Mason Rudolph is going to be good? 

I am not a professional scout, but yes i’ve watched Rudolph’s games on draftbreakdown.com.  He is big, 3 year starter, highly productive, reportedly very smart and a leader and reportedly a hard worker.  Additionally, most of the draft pundits have him on the border between 1st and 2nd round.  QBs are always drafted higher than projected due to demand exceeding supply.

[Klaista2k]

Screw that we need to trade up.

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1 minute ago, K-9 said:

Interesting thought here. If the Colts are looking for additional draft assets, 6 could still  be in play for us and that would give us more ammo to make a deal with the Giants at 2 who would still be able to get one of the blue chip targets at the top of the draft.  

I'd rather trade with the Bears at 8. None of the other QB needy teams have the capital to make it up that far. #12 and #65 would get us up there. 

[Solomon Grundy]

5 minutes ago, NewDayBills said:

I think you're the one that is confused my friend. I'd be shocked if Jackson was the guy, he's a sandlot QB like Tyrod. I think we want a rhythmic pocket passer, a QB that beat you with their brain and their arm, I don't see that in Jackson. 

 

If we do take Jackson though, you're damn right I'd be confused. Tyrod would have been the perfect bridge for Jackson.

 

I stand by Rudolph btw. Not sure where he goes or where other teams value him, but he is going to be a good pro.

Have we heard what type of offense the Bills are gonna run from their new OC?? Tyrod would have been a great bridge for Jackson had he not a $6 million roster bonus and $16 million salary. With Tyrod, it came down to economics. If the Bills have the opportunity to draft Jackson, he is the type of QB that can beat you with his arm, brain and legs. 

[K-9]

1 minute ago, NewDayBills said:

I'd rather trade with the Bears at 8. None of the other QB needy teams have the capital to make it up that far. #12 and #65 would get us up there. 

I see that. So 12, 21, and what else to get to two?

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Just now, the skycap said:

Have we heard what type of offense the Bills are gonna run from their new OC?? Tyrod would have been a great bridge for Jackson had he not a $6 million roster bonus and $16 million salary. With Tyrod, it came down to economics. If the Bills have the opportunity to draft Jackson, he is the type of QB that can beat you with his arm, brain and legs. 



1 minute ago, K-9 said:

I see that. So 12, 21, and what else to get to two?

12, 22, 53 and 56 according to the chart, but after the Jets trade, I think it would take more than that.

[K-9]

2 minutes ago, NewDayBills said:



12, 22, 53 and 56 according to the chart, but after the Jets trade, I think it would take more than that.

I think so, too. I would spend next year's 1 in order to keep a two this year. 

[Reed83HOF]

1 minute ago, K-9 said:

I think so, too. I would spend next year's 1 in order to keep a two this year. 

I would even throw in Shady, Hughes, or Tre White in if necessary. We passed on 2 QBs last year for him and we might miss out on the top ones this year again....

 

QB>>>CB

[Mat68]

If they stay at 12 I can see them taking Jackson.  

[youthemanog]

Lamar is Tyron 2.0. No thank you we need a pocket passer not a half back that thinks they are a qb

[Coach Tuesday]

If they stay at 12 and take a position player we might as well just tune back in next March.

[BB2004]

6 hours ago, bkep32 said:

Just playing scenarios here and still hope we move up to get a qb.  But what if OBD thinks price is too steep to move up to #1 or #2 to get ahead of jets. I dont think its to bad staying at 12 and doing something like this.

12. Edmunds or smith - LB

22. Lamar Jackson - QB

53. James Daniels - C

56. Chirstian Kirk - WR

65. Tim Settle - DT

 

I would be really happy with this.  Have lamar and aj in camp and battling it out.

 

If we don't move up, this appears to be a very good draft with a lot of good to potentially great players.  

 

We saw what they Jets did to move up to 3.  Two second rounders and a second next to move from 6 to 3.  

 

What would we need to move up to 2?  12, 22, 56 and a second rounder next season?

[Mat68]

As much as 21 to 12 improved their stock to move into the top of the draft I also think it improved their position to get their #2 rated Qb.  They can now slide into the top 10 ensure of getting the next best guy and still have 22.  As the draft gets closer I think that could be a real possibility.  Some around here may be disappointed they dont get to 1 or 2, but a slight move up for a Qb later in the top 10 and get a linebacker at 22 may be the reality.  

46 minutes ago, youthemanog said:

Lamar is Tyron 2.0. No thank you we need a pocket passer not a half back that thinks they are a qb

I disagree.

[Luka]

20 hours ago, McBean said:

Trade out of 4 jack ass.

 

 

 

The only jack ass is the one you have to look at in the mirror every morning.

[Kirby Jackson]

18 hours ago, K-9 said:

I think so, too. I would spend next year's 1 in order to keep a two this year. 

I’m opposite of that. I think next year’s draft is better. There will be great pass rushers available next year. I’d rather use picks this year to move up. 12, 22, 56, 65 and a 4th next year. Something like that

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

..agree about staying at 12.....so far........maybe I'm reading way too much into it, but look at McBeane and FA...he sat back and waited for the "legal(?)" tampering period and 4:01PM feeding frenzy to be over with......THEN he grabbed his check book and coupons and went value shopping....played the McCarron deal perfectly.....resigned Cadet & Murphy......got the kid from the Deadskins, but nothing big or flashy nor MAJOR investment in ONE player (HINT: a pattern as to how he'll approach the draft ala no major draft capital investment in ONE player??)... still has FA money left and now sits back waiting for agents to call to find work for their unemployed clients at McBeane's terms....trade up to 12 gave him more spread versus 21 & 22, with only 15 minutes in between if he wanted to trade a pick as the draft unfolds....I believe he'll stay at 12 and has QB Plan A and Plan 1-A for who he picks as the draft progresses....if BOTH are gone, he may trade down 12 to last 1st and pick up an extra 2nd....who knows?....hell, he could keep 12 and go OL/DL or DL/OL depending on preference (maybe LB) and look to the next level of QB's ala Rudolph, Falk, Lauletta, White, etc as HIS definition of a Franchise QB....bottom line IMO is with the accumulated draft capital and the right guy at the helm, we could, COULD be in the best shape since the Polian era.....BUT there will be a litany of FIRE BEANE threads and how bad he effed up this pick and that pick....so fasten your seatbelt.....

Edited March 18, 2018 by OldTimeAFLGuy

[IndyMark]

18 hours ago, Reed83HOF said:

I would even throw in Shady, Hughes, or Tre White in if necessary. We passed on 2 QBs last year for him and we might miss out on the top ones this year again....

 

QB>>>CB

 

Oh my lord.  Realizing that the second set of 4 quarterbacks (rated 5-8) in this draft has as much chance as the first four in being "generational" this is a curious take.  Let me be clear, I am super glad I am not making the Bills draft day decisions, however, I am as strongly thankful that you are not either. 

 

History repeating itself (Ditka & Vikings [Herschel]) via draft pick unloading would set the Bills back another decade. 

 

6 top 100 prospects  >>>> better than 1 QB, in my opinion.  Yet, I could be wrong.

[Reed83HOF]

1 minute ago, IndyMark said:

6 top 100 prospects  >>>> better than 1 QB, in my opinion.  Yet, I could be wrong.

And you are...See the Bills since 2000. Hundreds of prospects, no QBs

 

No QBs get your to 7-9 & -7 with an occasional 6-10and if you are lucky 10-6. Also checkout the AFC championship game Qbs since 2000 and the SB winning QBs. If you don't have a great QB, you don't win that often...

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

9 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

And you are...See the Bills since 2000. Hundreds of prospects, no QBs

 

No QBs get your to 7-9 & -7 with an occasional 6-10and if you are lucky 10-6. Also checkout the AFC championship game Qbs since 2000 and the SB winning QBs. If you don't have a great QB, you don't win that often...

 

HINT: review the Moe, Larry, Curly & Shemp gangs calling the shots post Polian......unqualifieds and over the hill NFL'ers using their Ouija Board as their Draft Board.....me thinks times are a changin'..........

[Pete]

ROQUAN

[Jamie Mueller]

20 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

This is the correct course of action right now if the Giants won't trade out.  Tell all teams picking 6-11 anyone comes at you with a trade offer for you to trade down, we can better it.   

 

I would still try for 4th pick, but wouldn't give up more then 12, and one 2nd.  

 

In that case... you wouldn't be able to make a trade.  The Browns aren't being run by idiots any more.