Josh Rosen myths

[Buffalo716]

There seems to be a ton of myths about Josh Rosen floating around the internet that people seem to eat up as fact

 

People say he is a bad teammate and players don't like him... That is a crock of ****... He has had countless teammates over the years back him and say how he is their leader and general. They loved playing with Rosen

 

People say he has a bad work ethic... also a crock of ****... Rosen was the FIRST EVER true freshmen starter at UCLA. Walked on the campus and held himself accountable and demanded the best. One of a few UCLA players who held 25 player organized practices as the leader

 

People say he isn't coachable... well he has had 3 different offensive coordinators in 3 years and learned 3 different playbooks. He is all over the UCLA record book in 3 years with a   Different playbook every year

 

UCLA players are all on record as loving Josh as their QB and they say he wants perfection ... he works his *** off for it so it expects the whole team too

 

If we traded up for this kid, there is no emotion to have unless it is elated because he would be the only blue chip QB prospect  we have had since Kelly

 

https://dailybruin.com/2018/01/10/wangs-word-unfounded-rumors-that-teammates-dislike-josh-rosen-should-not-affect-draft/

Edited March 15, 2018 by Buffalo716

[NickelCity]

Hear hear. 

[Success]

I’m all in on Bean right now.  If he thinks Rosen is the guy, then Rosen is the guy.

[MDH]

Only two things worry me about Rosen. His concussions and his propensity to force things when its better to just throw the ball away. The latter is easily coached. The former is a legitamate long term concern.

 

You’re right though, all that other stuff is just BS.

Edited March 15, 2018 by MDH

[BuffaloBillsGospel]

6 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

There seems to be a ton of myths about Josh Rosen floating around the internet that people seem to eat up as fact

 

People say he is a bad teammate and players don't like him... That is a crock of ****... He has had countless teammates over the years back him and say how he is their leader and general. They loved playing with Rosen

 

People say he has a bad work ethic... also a crock of ****... Rosen was the FIRST EVER true freshmen starter at UCLA. Walked on the campus and held himself accountable and demanded the best. One of a few UCLA players who held 25 player organized practices as the leader

 

People say he isn't coachable... well he has had 3 different offensive coordinators in 3 years and learned 3 different playbooks. He is all over the UCLA record book in 3 years with a   Different playbook every year

 

UCLA players are all on record as loving Josh as their QB and they say he wants perfection ... he works his *** off for it so it expects the whole team too

 

If we traded up for this kid, there is no emotion to have unless it is elated because he would be the only blue chip QB prospect  we have had since Kelly

 

I want the Bills to select Rosen but unless you played for UCLA or know him personally then do you really know any of this as fact? Teammates are getting his back but do you think they would really "out" him even if he was a giant !@#$? I'm not sure they would but i could be wrong, I never heard any OL talk bad about Johnny Manziel either and he seems like a giant pile of you know what. Just sayin.

[Canadian Bills Fan]

Dilly Dilly!

[MJS]

All you have to do is look at Brady, the best QB of all time probably. How is his character? He is always throwing tantrums on the sideline, fighting with coaches and yelling at teammates. He sulks on the sideline after bad drives. He is a poor sport and sometimes leaves the field after a loss without shaking hands or congratulating the opposing team. He's a perfectionist that demands perfection from the guys around him and gets on their case if they aren't up to it.

 

So yeah, I couldn't care less about the "character concerns" for Rosen.

[Ittakestime]

You think they are myths. I bet there are a ton of teammates that hate the dude that just don't want to get involved.

 

The attitude is one thing, but there are questions about nerves in his shoulder.  Stay away.

[DFT]

I believe the Bills QB board looks a little something like this...

 

1.) Rosen

2.) Rosen

3.) the ghost of Rosen

4.) Rosen’s bath towel

5.) we refuse to announce any pick if it isn’t Rosen

 

 

so yea.  Rosen.

[drf1835]

The truth is somewhere in the middle. He likely had several teammates and coaches who raised their eyebrows at him, or were neutral to him, and the rest loved him and thought he was the greatest thing on earth. . You cannot please everybody, especially if one is very confident and honest, and who wants the best from his teammmates. The only way to please everybody is to have the talent of Rosen and the personality of Wally or Ward Cleaver.

[Jay_Fixit]

16 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

There seems to be a ton of myths about Josh Rosen floating around the internet that people seem to eat up as fact

 

People say he is a bad teammate and players don't like him... That is a crock of ****... He has had countless teammates over the years back him and say how he is their leader and general. They loved playing with Rosen

 

People say he has a bad work ethic... also a crock of ****... Rosen was the FIRST EVER true freshmen starter at UCLA. Walked on the campus and held himself accountable and demanded the best. One of a few UCLA players who held 25 player organized practices as the leader

 

People say he isn't coachable... well he has had 3 different offensive coordinators in 3 years and learned 3 different playbooks. He is all over the UCLA record book in 3 years with a   Different playbook every year

 

UCLA players are all on record as loving Josh as their QB and they say he wants perfection ... he works his *** off for it so it expects the whole team too

 

If we traded up for this kid, there is no emotion to have unless it is elated because he would be the only blue chip QB prospect  we have had since Kelly

Sorry man, you can shout from a mountain top as much as you want, you can say things are a “crock of ****” and even say that some rumors are false. 

 

But there is too much smoke to not have fire. And I’m not just saying this as the PAC-12 GURU, I’m saying this as someone who’s read and listened to multiple people speak regarding his personality etc.

 

You can even ask our resident UCLA season ticket holder LABillbacker and he’ll tell you the same.

 

Kid is talented. Looks like he was born to throw a football. But a lot of the “myths” you speak of have some truth to them.

 

If the Bills draft him, I’ll be excited because I know they’ve done their homework but there are concerns about his personality. Whether you believe it or not.

 

I don’t personally care about this but you can’t just claim them as myth.

Edited March 15, 2018 by Jay_Fixit

[DFT]

The truth is it takes one team that likes him to torpedo his stock by spreading none sense.   In this case, Josh has 20 teams doing this.  He’s the best pure QB in this draft.  Darnold has a higher ceiling in my opinion, but Rosen is a franchise guy, no question in my mind.

[Buffalo716]

Just now, Jay_Fixit said:

Sorry man, you can shout from a mountain top as much as you want, you can say things are a “crock of ****” and even say that some rumors are false. 

 

But there is too much smoke to not have fire. And I’m not just saying this as the PAC-12 GURU, I’m saying this as someone who’s read and listened to multiple people speak regarding his personality etc.

 

You can even ask our resident UCLA season ticket holder LABillbacker and he’ll tell you the same.

 

Kid is talented. Looks like he was born to throw a football. But a lot of the “myths” you speak of have some truth to them.

 

If the Bills draft him, I’ll be excited because I know they’ve done their homework but there are concerns about his personality. Whether you believe it or not.

 

Sure you can say where there is smoke there is fire 

 

But NONE of his teammate or coaches have verified any of it. They have ALL had his back which they don't have to do

4 minutes ago, Ittakestime said:

You think they are myths. I bet there are a ton of teammates that hate the dude that just don't want to get involved.

 

The attitude is one thing, but there are questions about nerves in his shoulder.  Stay away.

 

Nobody likes every teammate . He has close to 100

 

i bet its only 5-10% who "dislike" him.. all his players on offense love him

[Jay_Fixit]

1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

Sure you can say where there is smoke there is fire 

 

But NONE of his teammate or coaches have verified any of it. They have ALL had his back which they don't have to do

That means nothing. Nobody is going to publicly say otherwise. 

 

[KDIGGZ]

Best QB prospect in many years. The teams spreading this nonsense are either jealous or the are trying to get him to drop so they can pic him

[CommonCents]

2 minutes ago, Jay_Fixit said:

Sorry man, you can shout from a mountain top as much as you want, you can say things are a “crock of ****” and even say that some rumors are false. 

 

But there is too much smoke to not have fire. And I’m not just saying this as the PAC-12 GURU, I’m saying this as someone who’s read and listened to multiple people speak regarding his personality etc.

 

You can even ask our resident UCLA season ticket holder LABillbacker and he’ll tell you the same.

 

Kid is talented. Looks like he was born to throw a football. But a lot of the “myths” you speak of have some truth to them.

 

If the Bills draft him, I’ll be excited because I know they’ve done their homework but there are concerns about his personality. Whether you believe it or not.

 

I don’t personally care about this but you can’t just claim them as myth.

Nailed it. 

 

OP wrote an emotional rant instead of a fact based defense of Rosen.

 

[Buffalo716]

Just now, Jay_Fixit said:

That means nothing. Nobody is going to publicly say otherwise. 

 

 

Plenty of college athletes have been roasted for their attitude 

 

It doesn't take much for a player to say I don't Ike Rosen, and it hasn't happened

Just now, Commonsense said:

Nailed it. 

 

OP wrote an emotional rant instead of a fact based defense of Rosen.

 

 

Im not even emotional because I don't even care if we draft him

 

i just don't like Tearing down a guys character  when it isn't 100% true 

[LABILLBACKER]

I'll tell you one thing that's not a myth. 3 injuries in 3 seasons.

[Jay_Fixit]

Just now, Buffalo716 said:

 

Plenty of college athletes have been roasted for their attitude 

 

It doesn't take much for a player to say I don't Ike Rosen, and it hasn't happened

Dude, I’ve heard for years of the Josh Rosen attitude on local/west coast based radio shows out here. Even some interviews with players.

 

I get that he throws a nice ball and you like that, but there is some truth to this.

 

Not sure why we needed the PSA.

 

 

[N.Y. Orangeman]

9 minutes ago, Jay_Fixit said:

Sorry man, you can shout from a mountain top as much as you want, you can say things are a “crock of ****” and even say that some rumors are false. 

 

But there is too much smoke to not have fire. And I’m not just saying this as the PAC-12 GURU, I’m saying this as someone who’s read and listened to multiple people speak regarding his personality etc.

 

You can even ask our resident UCLA season ticket holder LABillbacker and he’ll tell you the same.

 

Kid is talented. Looks like he was born to throw a football. But a lot of the “myths” you speak of have some truth to them.

 

If the Bills draft him, I’ll be excited because I know they’ve done their homework but there are concerns about his personality. Whether you believe it or not.

 

I don’t personally care about this but you can’t just claim them as myth.

 

Or you can believe the guy who actually scouts and works for an NFL team for a living.  Your choice:   fake news or something actually grounded in fact from an expert.  SMH.

Edited March 15, 2018 by N.Y. Orangeman

[NickelCity]

7 minutes ago, drf1835 said:

The truth is somewhere in the middle. He likely had several teammates and coaches who raised their eyebrows at him, or were neutral to him, and the rest loved him and thought he was the greatest thing on earth. . You cannot please everybody, especially if one is very confident and honest, and who wants the best from his teammmates. The only way to please everybody is to have the talent of Rosen and the personality of Wally or Ward Cleaver.

 

I expect this is the case. Teams are huge. Hell, most of you guys probably played sports at some point. Some teammates probably thought you were a dbag. And you know that guy that you knew for sure was a dbag? Other guys were his buddy. Rosen seems like a driven guy who wants to succeed and is a blue chip prospect. The concussions are a concern, the rest is not. Just my $.02

[Buffalo716]

Just now, Jay_Fixit said:

Dude, I’ve heard for years of the Josh Rosen attitude on local/west coast based radio shows out here. Even some interviews with players.

 

I get that he throws a nice ball and you like that, but there is some truth to this.

 

Not sure why we needed the PSA.

 

 

 

Just now, Jay_Fixit said:

Dude, I’ve heard for years of the Josh Rosen attitude on local/west coast based radio shows out here. Even some interviews with players.

 

I get that he throws a nice ball and you like that, but there is some truth to this.

 

Not sure why we needed the PSA.

 

 

 

Because I don't believe it's an issue

 

https://dailybruin.com/2018/01/10/wangs-word-unfounded-rumors-that-teammates-dislike-josh-rosen-should-not-affect-draft/

 

i know it's only 1 article but there are a bunch over the years

 

im not saying he's a choir boy... I'm saying his "problem" is a little over blown

[KGun12TD]

24 minutes ago, Success said:

I’m all in on Bean right now.  If he thinks Rosen is the guy, then Rosen is the guy.

 

 

THIS!!!

[Jay_Fixit]

5 minutes ago, N.Y. Orangeman said:

 

Or you can believe the guy who actually scouts and works for an NFL team for a living.  Your choice:   fake news or something actually grounded in fact from an expert.  SMH.

Who are you talking about here?

 

Are you SYH at yourself in a mirror? 

[CommonCents]

2 minutes ago, N.Y. Orangeman said:

 

Or you can believe the guy who actually scouts and works for an NFL team for a living.  Your choice:   fake news or something actually grounded in fact from an expert.  SMH.

Are you talking about the NFL scout who said Rosen is a mess off the field and needs to grow up? 

 

Rosen has admitted his personality won't be a fit for every team.

 

It's sloppy to label the concern with Rosen as a myth. It's legit. All the quarterbacks coming out have flaws. He is the best passer of the bunch but is he going to be the great divider or a captain? No one knows.

 

He also said his own coach has asked him a million times if he wants to be the next Peyton Manning or the next Johnny Manziel. 

[Tyrod's friend]

Things that are not myths:
 

• he was raised in an affluent, and well educated Left Coast household
• he is by all accounts very intelligent. There is considerable noise about his Liberal politics; given where he was brought up, this seems probable
• he does not have a problem with challenging the status quo; even the Sporting News indicated how outspoken he is
• his first sport was tennis, not another team sport like baseball or even basketball
• he has chosen to leave his team a year early.
• he is Jewish

You have a coach and entire culture that is built around accepting a process, and in fact I would think discourages those that choose to be outspoken. A head coach that values - highly - seniors in college. A head coach that praised Jesus Christ. In point of fact, his brand new backup QB bears a cross as a tattoo in the middle of his chest, and is a notable supporter of Donald Trump (or at least was). His new defensive lineman (and I have no idea of what he believes in regarding God) seems to be cut of a very close cloth mentally to McCarron.

Be aware, I am not saying that Coach McDermott is dictating faith to his players. I'm pretty sure that most of that locker room has no connection to God whatsoever; it is the nature of 28 year old men. And I am not saying that Jewish, outspoken, intelligent QBs can't accept a process and fall into line. I'm not even saying that McD and Beane are curating potential players based on faith or education levels.

I think it is reasonable, in fact, plainly obvious, that you are presenting a cultural clash by introducing Josh Rosen into that room. That everything about him screams that he is not the sort of guy McDermott and Beane have been shown to favor. Kyle Williams is loved by the coaching staff because he put everything on the line for his team; think about Kyle, think about McCarron, and think about Murphy and tell me you honestly cannot see where those dots might lead you away from Josh Rosen. 

Side note: I am trying very much not to make this about religion, but if you ignore completely the Jewish culture, it's Talmudic emphasis on both education and questioning the world around you, its stridently Left politics, well ... I think you are missing the point here completely. And for what it's worth - I think Josh Rosen will be a helluva professional QB. 

But culture comes first.


, 

 

 

[Roundybout]

21 minutes ago, MJS said:

All you have to do is look at Brady, the best QB of all time probably. How is his character? He is always throwing tantrums on the sideline, fighting with coaches and yelling at teammates. He sulks on the sideline after bad drives. He is a poor sport and sometimes leaves the field after a loss without shaking hands or congratulating the opposing team. He's a perfectionist that demands perfection from the guys around him and gets on their case if they aren't up to it.

 

So yeah, I couldn't care less about the "character concerns" for Rosen.

 

Greatest of modern era***

[Jay_Fixit]

5 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

 

Because I don't believe it's an issue

 

https://dailybruin.com/2018/01/10/wangs-word-unfounded-rumors-that-teammates-dislike-josh-rosen-should-not-affect-draft/

 

i know it's only 1 article but there are a bunch over the years

 

im not saying he's a choir boy... I'm saying his "problem" is a little over blown

Overblown is fine. But your thread makes it sound like it’s all false.

 

And it’s not.

[N.Y. Orangeman]

Just now, Jay_Fixit said:

Who are you talking about here?

 

Are you SYH at yourself in a mirror? 

Go back and look at his posts

[FappyTheClown]

I heard he can lift 100 pounds over his head ... BULL HONKEY!

 

 

[Buffalo716]

Just now, Jay_Fixit said:

Overblown is fine. But your thread makes it sound like it’s all false.

 

And it’s not.

 

Well message boards don't always bring across the right amount of emphasis 

 

Being overblown was my point 

[Jay_Fixit]

2 minutes ago, N.Y. Orangeman said:

Go back and look at his posts

Oh, because of one article.

 

Nothing left to see here folks. Close it down.

[NickelCity]

1 minute ago, Tyrod's friend said:

Things that are not myths:
 

• he was raised in an affluent, and well educated Left Coast household
• he is by all accounts very intelligent. There is considerable noise about his Liberal politics; given where he was brought up, this seems probable
• he does not have a problem with challenging the status quo; even the Sporting News indicated how outspoken he is
• his first sport was tennis, not another team sport like baseball or even basketball
• he has chosen to leave his team a year early.
• he is Jewish

You have a coach and entire culture that is built around accepting a process, and in fact I would think discourages those that choose to be outspoken. A head coach that values - highly - seniors in college. A head coach that praised Jesus Christ. In point of fact, his brand new backup QB bears a cross as a tattoo in the middle of his chest, and is a notable supporter of Donald Trump (or at least was). His new defensive lineman (and I have no idea of what he believes in regarding God) seems to be cut of a very close cloth mentally to McCarron.

Be aware, I am not saying that Coach McDermott is dictating faith to his players. I'm pretty sure that most of that locker room has no connection to God whatsoever; it is the nature of 28 year old men. And I am not saying that Jewish, outspoken, intelligent QBs can't accept a process and fall into line. I'm not even saying that McD and Beane are curating potential players based on faith or education levels.

I think it is reasonable, in fact, plainly obvious, that you are presenting a cultural clash by introducing Josh Rosen into that room. That everything about him screams that he is not the sort of guy McDermott and Beane have been shown to favor. Kyle Williams is loved by the coaching staff because he put everything on the line for his team; think about Kyle, think about McCarron, and think about Murphy and tell me you honestly cannot see where those dots might lead you away from Josh Rosen. 

Side note: I am trying very much not to make this about religion, but if you ignore completely the Jewish culture, it's Talmudic emphasis on both education and questioning the world around you, its stridently Left politics, well ... I think you are missing the point here completely. And for what it's worth - I think Josh Rosen will be a helluva professional QB. 

But culture comes first.

 

There's a lot going on here...but it's apparent that Rosen is being treated as a proxy chip in a political debate. That and apparently one's support or rejection of Trump has anything to do with Christianity. 

 

I expect that McBeane want hard working professionals who aren't lockerroom cancers. An NFL team is a large group of folks, many of whom lean left, and many who lean right. I don't think his politics have anything to do with the Bills' evaluation of him.  

[Buffalo716]

1 minute ago, Jay_Fixit said:

Oh, because of one article.

 

Nothing left to see here folks. Close it down.

 

Close what down? I see no reason to close my thread because you don't agree 

 

it doenst break coc

[Da webster guy]

Plus he loves the Brisket on Weck, and didn't blink an eye at the combine when Sal asked him if he'd change his name to Rosenowski the Magnificent

 

He'd fit better in Cheektowaga, also a known Rosen hangout

[FappyTheClown]

Somebody told me he can change his own oil. I don't know where the hell that came from!

[oldmanfan]

26 minutes ago, Ittakestime said:

You think they are myths. I bet there are a ton of teammates that hate the dude that just don't want to get involved.

 

The attitude is one thing, but there are questions about nerves in his shoulder.  Stay away.

Do you honestly think the Bills medical staff would not make detailed investigation of that before making a decision?

[gobills1212]

24 minutes ago, Jay_Fixit said:

Sorry man, you can shout from a mountain top as much as you want, you can say things are a “crock of ****” and even say that some rumors are false. 

 

But there is too much smoke to not have fire. And I’m not just saying this as the PAC-12 GURU, I’m saying this as someone who’s read and listened to multiple people speak regarding his personality etc.

 

You can even ask our resident UCLA season ticket holder LABillbacker and he’ll tell you the same.

 

Kid is talented. Looks like he was born to throw a football. But a lot of the “myths” you speak of have some truth to them.

 

If the Bills draft him, I’ll be excited because I know they’ve done their homework but there are concerns about his personality. Whether you believe it or not.

 

I don’t personally care about this but you can’t just claim them as myth.

agree, but i also kinda feel like a few knocks on a few diff guys are rather nit picky. I guess that goes with the talent of the class. The 13 class for example had a bunch of SERIOUS questions. This year with the talent being better, some things seem more trivial IMO

6 minutes ago, NickelCity said:

 

There's a lot going on here...but it's apparent that Rosen is being treated as a proxy chip in a political debate. That and apparently one's support or rejection of Trump has anything to do with Christianity. 

 

I expect that McBeane want hard working professionals who aren't lockerroom cancers. An NFL team is a large group of folks, many of whom lean left, and many who lean right. I don't think his politics have anything to do with the Bills' evaluation of him.  

fair enough... but just fwiw none of this OR that has anything even remotely close to do with throwing a football and his ability to do so. 

[N.Y. Orangeman]

12 minutes ago, Jay_Fixit said:

Oh, because of one article.

 

Nothing left to see here folks. Close it down.

Or you could actually do your homework and read his previous posts from earlier in the year and see that the guy worked in the game both as a coach and a scout, with the latter involving him scouting QBs this year.  But that isn't you...

[Jay_Fixit]

4 minutes ago, N.Y. Orangeman said:

Or you could actually do your homework and read his previous posts from earlier in the year and see that the guy worked in the game both as a coach and a scout, with the latter involving him scouting QBs this year.  But that isn't you...

I’ve been around Josh Rosen football for 3 years.  I’ve heard plenty of things about Rosen. Plenty more than a few articles

can provide.

 

In fact, you should probably just listen to me going forward. You probably just heard about Rosen last year, ya?

Edited March 15, 2018 by Jay_Fixit