Here me out...Does it matter which QB we draft?

[Very Bad Weather]

Hypothetically we don't move any where and draft say Lamar Jackson or mason rudolph...who ever is available

 

or

 

we give up EVERYTHING and some how draft 1,2 or 3 and get (insert your favorite qb)

 

does that really mean we are done at the QB position?  i can't imagine who ever we draft that means that tyrod is 100 percent gone, that any free agent is off the table ect  

 

Philly, and for that case Minnesota have taught that leauge (and Denver is proving the case) that QB should be  like any other position. constantly addressed and if there is an option upgraded via draft of free agency.

 

 

 

 

 

[Seanbillsfan2206]

“Hear me out” is always a great way to start a thread title...

[ProcessTheTrust]

I here ya but I think we need a better QB hear. They'res no whey we don't draught a good one, no what I mean?

[GrizzReaper]

I think what you're asking is... Should the Bills continue probing upgrades at the QB position even if they feel they have thier guy?

 

Yeah I think they should. If anything having a really good backup is just good all around for multiple reasons. Do I think they continue to use 1st round picks and such? No... If they have a good starting QB chances are high another position needs upgrading more than QB.

[#34fan]

I think we're set up for ANY of the top 5 to fail miserably here... I say go D with 21 and 22...

[Hapless Bills Fan]

50 minutes ago, Very Bad Weather said:

Hypothetically we don't move any where and draft say Lamar Jackson or mason rudolph...who ever is available

 

or

 

we give up EVERYTHING and some how draft 1,2 or 3 and get (insert your favorite qb)

 

does that really mean we are done at the QB position?  i can't imagine who ever we draft that means that tyrod is 100 percent gone, that any free agent is off the table ect  

 

Philly, and for that case Minnesota have taught that leauge (and Denver is proving the case) that QB should be  like any other position. constantly addressed and if there is an option upgraded via draft of free agency.

 

I'm not sure what you're asking exactly.  Are you asking

-does it matter if we trade up, trade down, or stand pat?

Answer: Maybe not

 

Or are you really asking what your subject says

-does it matter which QB we draft?

Answer:  Yes.  Yes, it does.  It matters a lot.

 

Or are you asking:

-if we draft a QB and he doesn't work out, is it OK?

Answer: That depends on whether we traded up, traded down, or stood pat

 

When you look at the Bills draft history, for a long stretch of time, we drafted very badly.  When we did draft a QB (which was too infrequently), we drafted a poor QB.

So yes, it matters a lot which QB we draft.  We need to have good talent evaluators, and they need to do a good job.  We need to hit on as many of ALL our draft prospects as possible.

 

But there is still the chance that we miss.  And that is the big risk of trading the house and farm and all our cards to move up - because then if you miss, you don't have a house, a farm, or any cards to use next year.

 

Practically speaking, some options are on or off the table.  If we trade everything and draft high, we can't sign a big $ FA because we need the FA $ to fill holes we can't fill through the draft.

 

I don't know if this helps.

 

 

 

[Direhard Fan]

#34 has it correct.  Draft to build the team and don't give the farm away by moving up just to get a "maybe" QB.  Be smart this year and build around he QB and see if a QB drafted lower will develop.  

[DefenseWins]

5 minutes ago, Direhard Fan said:

#34 has it correct.  Draft to build the team and don't give the farm away by moving up just to get a "maybe" QB.  Be smart this year and build around he QB and see if a QB drafted lower will develop.  

 

Or take a chance and trade up to get the best available QB in this draft. Or you can use those picks and draft a bunch of MAYBE DT, LB or whatever the hell other wasted positions you want to dream up... Yeah - why don't we draft another Maybins for example - that was a real wonderful pick wasn't it???

 

ANY PICK CAN BUST... Stop pretending that there is anything that can be thought of as a "safe pick"... There is no such thing and never was...

 

So take a chance for once. Trade up for what McBean thinks the best available QB out there is... The price doesn't matter... High Risk = High Reward

 

 

[#34fan]

2 minutes ago, DefenseWins said:

 

 High Risk = High Reward

 

 

 

...Or total loss...  Don't get me wrong, I'm not against taking a chance every now and again... But, I just don't see much "move up" QB talent at the top of this draft to warrant taking that chance... And even if there were, our current offensive situation doesn't support the success of high-pick QB, IMO...

[John from Riverside]

I just want to see them trust their scouting and go for it.....whatever that answer is

[Cruiserplayer]

7 minutes ago, #34fan said:

 

 High Risk = High Reward

But more often High Risk= High rate of Failure

[SoTier]

2 minutes ago, #34fan said:

 

...Or total loss...  Don't get me wrong, I'm not against taking a chance every now and again... But, I just don't see much "move up" QB talent at the top of this draft to warrant taking that chance... And even if there were, our current offensive situation doesn't support the success of high-pick QB, IMO...

 

This.     NONE of the top QBs stand out from the others as to be even the consensus best QB in the draft much less the best player in the draft.  All of these QBs have significant flaws.  Taking a QB at 21 or 22 would be acceptable to me.  Trading up a few spots (5 or 6) to take Baker Mayfield would be okay if the cost wasn't too much (giving up maybe 1 first and maybe a 3rd at most), but giving up the proverbial "farm" to move into the top five is setting the Bills up for failure in the future unless they hit the lottery like Philly looks to have done in 2016.  Getting a QB on a par with guys like Bortles, Winston or Mariotta wouldn't be good enough IMO.

[#34fan]

38 minutes ago, Direhard Fan said:

#34 has it correct.  Draft to build the team and don't give the farm away by moving up just to get a "maybe" QB.  Be smart this year and build around he QB and see if a QB drafted lower will develop.  

 

A run stuffer like Payne, and LB like Evans would help this Defense out tremendously... You'll need to replace Dareus, and pretty soon Williams anyway.... The talent to do that is definitely available in 2018's first.

[26TrapDraw]

3 hours ago, Very Bad Weather said:

Hypothetically we don't move any where and draft say Lamar Jackson or mason rudolph...who ever is available

 

or

 

we give up EVERYTHING and some how draft 1,2 or 3 and get (insert your favorite qb)

 

does that really mean we are done at the QB position?  i can't imagine who ever we draft that means that tyrod is 100 percent gone, that any free agent is off the table ect  

 

Philly, and for that case Minnesota have taught that leauge (and Denver is proving the case) that QB should be  like any other position. constantly addressed and if there is an option upgraded via draft of free agency.

 

 

 

 

 

I here what you're saying.

[BuffaloBillsGospel]

3 hours ago, Very Bad Weather said:

Hypothetically we don't move any where and draft say Lamar Jackson or mason rudolph...who ever is available

 

or

 

we give up EVERYTHING and some how draft 1,2 or 3 and get (insert your favorite qb)

 

does that really mean we are done at the QB position?  i can't imagine who ever we draft that means that tyrod is 100 percent gone, that any free agent is off the table ect  

 

Philly, and for that case Minnesota have taught that leauge (and Denver is proving the case) that QB should be  like any other position. constantly addressed and if there is an option upgraded via draft of free agency.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Done? No I believe they sign a veteran QB (If this team pays Tyrod Taylor 18M then this staff should be examined for heavy drug use) and draft a QB, whether they stay put or trade up ( which I think they will) and also have Peterman as a developmental QB so they'll be set. 

[DefenseWins]

2 hours ago, Cruiserplayer said:

But more often High Risk= High rate of Failure

 

Frankly, I think there is a higher risk of picks #21 & #22 BUSTING than #2 or #3... 

[Cruiserplayer]

44 minutes ago, DefenseWins said:

 

Frankly, I think there is a higher risk of picks #21 & #22 BUSTING than #2 or #3... 

Probably. But we are talking 21,22 a second and third rounder, and next years first to get to number two or three. 

[Thurman#1]

6 hours ago, #34fan said:

 

...Or total loss...  Don't get me wrong, I'm not against taking a chance every now and again... But, I just don't see much "move up" QB talent at the top of this draft to warrant taking that chance... And even if there were, our current offensive situation doesn't support the success of high-pick QB, IMO...

 

 

Nobody saw much "move up" talent last year either. Back then it was "This group sucks. Wait till next year." Then it turned out there were some guys there who despite having flaws look like they might be good.

 

And it was the same the year before. The Eagles and Rams were idiots for trading up to get guys with so many flaws.

 

You're right that we have some problems around the QB this year. That will make things harder for whoever is in the games this year. But you don't draft a QB only if you think he'll be in a good position in his first year. Peyton Manning was in a horrible situation his first year. So was Troy Aikman. You draft a QB to have a good career. If he's good his first year, terrific, but if not it's not a big problem.

 

This is the richest QB draft in a decade or more, according to everyone, most recently Mayock. If you don't see anyone this year to trade up for it's likely because you are unwilling to ever see that kind of talent.

 

Whether we can get up there at all, or how much we would have to pay, those are separate issues that might indeed prevent us from going up. But there's a better group of talent there this year, likely to go in the top five or six spots than we'll probably see for a long long time.

 

 

6 hours ago, SoTier said:

 

This.     NONE of the top QBs stand out from the others as to be even the consensus best QB in the draft much less the best player in the draft.  All of these QBs have significant flaws.  Taking a QB at 21 or 22 would be acceptable to me.  Trading up a few spots (5 or 6) to take Baker Mayfield would be okay if the cost wasn't too much (giving up maybe 1 first and maybe a 3rd at most), but giving up the proverbial "farm" to move into the top five is setting the Bills up for failure in the future unless they hit the lottery like Philly looks to have done in 2016.  Getting a QB on a par with guys like Bortles, Winston or Mariotta wouldn't be good enough IMO.

 

 

You know which QBs have significant flaws? All of them. Every single one, every single year. 

 

And part of the reason none of them stands out far above the others is that the top two especially and maybe even top three, are very very good.

Edited February 19, 2018 by Thurman#1

[#34fan]

1 hour ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Nobody saw much "move up" talent last year either. Back then it was "This group sucks. Wait till next year." Then it turned out there were some guys there who despite having flaws look like they might be good.

 

And it was the same the year before. The Eagles and Rams were idiots for trading up to get guys with so many flaws.

 

You're right that we have some problems around the QB this year. That will make things harder for whoever is in the games this year. But you don't draft a QB only if you think he'll be in a good position in his first year. Peyton Manning was in a horrible situation his first year. So was Troy Aikman. You draft a QB to have a good career. If he's good his first year, terrific, but if not it's not a big problem.

 

This is the richest QB draft in a decade or more, according to everyone, most recently Mayock. If you don't see anyone this year to trade up for it's likely because you are unwilling to ever see that kind of talent.

 

Whether we can get up there at all, or how much we would have to pay, those are separate issues that might indeed prevent us from going up. But there's a better group of talent there this year, likely to go in the top five or six spots than we'll probably see for a long long time.

 

 

I disagree... I've been watching next year's QB crop for a couple seasons, and they look solid...

 

-I'll tell you what may NOT be available next year... -A quick, powerful, run stuffing, punisher like Da'Ron Payne... That near-perfect combination of strength, size, and speed, doesn't manifest itself often at DT... I WOULD NOT pass him over.

 

Also, with the Rams, you're talking about an organization that did EVERYTHING they had to for their 1st Rd QB to succeed... -From assembling an arsenal of choice weapons, to firing the coach that drafted him because it HAD to be done. -Is OBD prepared to go that far for a rookie QB??? -They'd better be, because that's what it takes..

 

[NastyNateSoldiers]

Yes it matters definitely matters . Just ask Pitt, NE, or the Packer fans. Mof since 2001 other then Joe Flacco in the AFC We've had either Brady, Ben & Manning in the Superbowl.  

[Thurman#1]

22 minutes ago, #34fan said:

 

I disagree... I've been watching next year's QB crop for a couple seasons, and they look solid...

 

-I'll tell you what may NOT be available next year... -A quick, powerful, run stuffing, punisher like Da'Ron Payne... That near-perfect combination of strength, size, and speed, doesn't manifest itself often at DT... I WOULD NOT pass him over.

 

Also, with the Rams, you're talking about an organization that did EVERYTHING they had to for their 1st Rd QB to succeed... -From assembling an arsenal of choice weapons, to firing the coach that drafted him because it HAD to be done. -Is OBD prepared to go that far for a rookie QB??? -They'd better be, because that's what it takes..

 

 

 

 

 

I haven't looked at the QBs next year but I bet next year won't be another this year, that the class will be less impressive. Solid, maybe. As good as this year, doubtful. First, because that's how it generally works when you have an outlier. There's not generally another outlier the next year. And second because if it was another great year we'd have heard it by now. The pundits would be all over it. We were hearing about this year's class 13 and 14 months ago and how good they were going to be. And we're not this year.

 

Doesn't mean you can't be right  Maybe you are. But that's not the way to bet.

 

And Da"Ron Payne is very good, but he's not an outlier. There'll be a very good run stuffer next year. Not that I'm against Da'Ron Payne. Seems like a good player to me.

 

Will the Bills do what the Rams did? The Rams were in position to do what they did because they'd already put together a terrific defense. So, no, I doubt the Bills will do what the Rams did. But they don't have to. A slow build is pretty common for teams on the build. Whoever we pick will need to develop. There are many ways to do that. And sure that means building a talented core around him, but I'm sure McDermott and Beane are aware of this.

[Fadingpain]

12 hours ago, ProcessTheTrust said:

I here ya but I think we need a better QB hear. They'res no whey we don't draught a good one, no what I mean?

For all intensive purposes, your grammar sucks!

 

 

[nucci]

13 hours ago, Very Bad Weather said:

Hypothetically we don't move any where and draft say Lamar Jackson or mason rudolph...who ever is available

 

or

 

we give up EVERYTHING and some how draft 1,2 or 3 and get (insert your favorite qb)

 

does that really mean we are done at the QB position?  i can't imagine who ever we draft that means that tyrod is 100 percent gone, that any free agent is off the table ect  

 

Philly, and for that case Minnesota have taught that leauge (and Denver is proving the case) that QB should be  like any other position. constantly addressed and if there is an option upgraded via draft of free agency.

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, it matters who we draft.

[oldmanfan]

I agree it doesn't matter who we pick.  Because the top 4 all have flaws and none of them are can't miss kind of guys.  Be because historically around of high first round QBsvdon't pan out.50%

[jr1]

a good OC is more important. Pederson hiding Foles' faults, Lynn hiding Tyrod's faults 

[MikeSpeed]

Yes let's draft a LB and DT so we can build up the defence so we can continue to lose games 9 to 3. 

I guess some people love being a 500 team.

As of right now, I wouldn't take any of the QBs coming out next year over any of the top 5 guys in this draft. Next year's QB class is going to make EJ Manual look like Brady. 

Roll the dice move up and get the guy we want and don't settle for what every other team passes on.

 

[simpleman]

13 hours ago, DefenseWins said:

 

 

 

So take a chance for once. Trade up for what McBean thinks the best available QB out there is... The price doesn't matter... High Risk = High Reward

 

 

Oh the Casinos love people like you coming in the doors. Hey, so what if the mortgage payment is overdue and they are threatening to foreclose next week if I don't pay. I have the money to make the payment and keep the house, but hey, if I take that money to the casino and hit the jackpot I'm a millionaire and I can have a fantastic house instead of just any old decent house.

 They make their profit off of people who gamble like you. I'm sure the lotto people love you too. I want a decent QB too, but with all the holes around him we need a lot of hard work to fix up the place we live in first. Instant fixes are fantasy fodder. We live in a real world, at least most of us do. Football is a team sport, he can't throw the ball, catch it and play defense all by himself, no matter how great a QB he turns out to be. And if he turns out to be a total bust, here comes another 17 years of futility ahead and the Bills team is just another a bum living out on the street. 

Edited February 19, 2018 by simpleman

[MikeSpeed]

16 minutes ago, simpleman said:

Oh the Casinos love people like you coming in the doors. Hey, so what if the mortgage payment is overdue and they are threatening to foreclose next week if I don't pay. I have the money to make the payment and keep the house, but hey, if I take that money to the casino and hit the jackpot I'm a millionaire and I can have a fantastic house instead of just any old decent house.

 They make their profit off of people who gamble like you. I'm sure the lotto people love you too. I want a decent QB too, but with all the holes around him we need a lot of hard work to fix up the place we live in first. Instant fixes are fantasy fodder. We live in a real world, at least most of us do. Football is a team sport, he can't throw the ball, catch it and play defense all by himself, no matter how great a QB he turns out to be. And if he turns out to be a total bust, here comes another 17 years of futility ahead and the Bills team is just another a bum living out on the street. 

You're talking about something that is random chance. Drafting a QB is a calculated risk as is drafting any position. 

There will always be holes to fill every year. None is bigger than QB.

[ProcessTheTrust]

1 hour ago, Fadingpain said:

For all intensive purposes, your grammar sucks!

 

 

*Yo'ureh

[26CornerBlitz]

16 hours ago, Seanbillsfan2206 said:

“Hear me out” is always a great way to start a thread title...

 

Yeah but,  Here me out? 

[NewEraBills]

As long as the Bills get one of their guys then it doesn't matter.  This is the dating phase so I think the Bills have a lot of candidates and not one like all of these reports suggest.

[NoSaint]

Missing on a qb hurts — but the perk is if you miss, odds are you’re getting another swing at it pretty soon. They aren’t getting huge deals and you have to find one. 

 

Take a swing.

[WideRightRevenge]

I think the answer is no.

 

I'm waiting to read a post of who is the can't miss prospect (granted no one is without flaws .. but worth the cost of trading the farm) in this year's class ... if such a mesiah doesn't exists ... then I'm good holding our draft capital and selecting who drops to 21-22 and pick our QB there or as others have said ... if Mayfield drops into the teens .. then make that move.  Statistically from what I read (net of height concerns) ... I like him the best of all .. but don't think I'd trade the farm to get him over a Rudolph, L Jax, or Mike White.

[JMF2006]

I think you play the draft the way you play the game.

 

You don't force the issue and take the field goal and never go for 2 points until you absolutely have to.

 

So hell no to selling all out for a maybe franchise QB.

 

With all these holes to fill trading down may be the best option again. JMHO

[ProcessTheTrust]

1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Yeah but,  Here me out? 

Maybe it's just missing a comma?

 

Here, me out (I'm coming out of the closet)....also, let's talk QB

 

The possibilities are endless!

[DefenseWins]

23 hours ago, JMF2006 said:

I think you play the draft the way you play the game.

 

You don't force the issue and take the field goal and never go for 2 points until you absolutely have to.

 

So hell no to selling all out for a maybe franchise QB.

 

With all these holes to fill trading down may be the best option again. JMHO

 

It's called "playing NOT to lose".... and I choose not to play by that failed philosophy...

[JMF2006]

7 minutes ago, DefenseWins said:

 

It's called "playing NOT to lose".... and I choose not to play by that failed philosophy...

 

Well guess what?

 

Neither of us get to make that decision.

 

I Trust the Process and think they will get it right.  

[ricojes]

On 2/18/2018 at 3:33 PM, Seanbillsfan2206 said:

“Hear me out” is always a great way to start a thread title...

"hear me out" = I know this is stupid, but I am going to post anyway because I am either bored or just don't care if people on this board take me seriously. But most likely a combination of the two.....

Edited February 20, 2018 by ricojes