Nick Foles is going nowhere...

[Victory Formation]

I'd give up a 2nd this year and a 2nd next year for Foles, same thing Kansas City gave the 49ers for Alex Smith. I think that's fair. I've had faith in Foles before the Super Bowl, obviously I didn't expect him to beat Brady but I always wondered why he didn't get more love after that 27-2 season, seems off to me.

[Tiberius]

The only way a team trades for him is if they are allowed to negotiate a contract for him first. Can that happen? 

[HOF4LOU]

his trade value is the highest.  Everyone seems to think he's worth a 2nd rounder.  If we offered one of our 1st rounders, we would get him and our franchise qb for the next 5 yrs at least.  Or, we can trade 3 Number 1s and get an unproven rookie.  No brainer. Make it so Bills! 

[Best Player Available]

Foles had an awesome playoff, superbowl, and played very well in Wenz's place.

That said he could easily return too his horrible  QB'ing that almost caused him too retire.

No Thanks. How anyone can call him a "franchise" QB is head scratching. And I like the guy.

[CaptnCoke11]

1 hour ago, Mrbojanglezs said:

Why would Foles or Foles agent want to stay there. His client just won a SB and he is only being paid 7 mill? Foles value is as high as it will ever get.... If I were his agent I would demand that he be traded and then extended with another team for more money.

They can demand all they want.  Eagles hold all the cards

[HOF4LOU]

2 minutes ago, NewDayBills said:

I'd give up a 2nd this year and a 2nd next year for Foles, same thing Kansas City gave the 49ers for Alex Smith. I think that's fair. I've had faith in Foles before the Super Bowl, obviously I didn't expect him to beat Brady but I always wondered why he didn't get more love after that 27-2 season, seems off to me.

why not a number 1 this year (22nd pick).  KC gave up more for an unproven rookie.  Foles has proven he can win the right system and right coaching.  

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

27 minutes ago, DasNootz said:

The Eagels should hold Foles until the trade deadline next year after someone else has lost their starter.  He'll be as valuable then and they'll have a better grasp on Wentz recovery.  They're already championship caliber, and an extra late second or early 3rd round pick isn't going to make them better in a "win now mode" nearly as much as an established backup with a starting QB coming off injury.

Wont get any 2018 help doing that though.  Trading him now can get you picks in 2018.

7 minutes ago, CaptnCoke11 said:

They can demand all they want.  Eagles hold all the cards

 

Eh - not if Wentz can't suit up.  If Foles holds out for an extension or demands a trade you don't have a QB for the preseason.  

16 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

The only way a team trades for him is if they are allowed to negotiate a contract for him first. Can that happen? 

 

I don't think you can do sign-and-trades in the NFL.  However, in the NFL you have the franchise tag - so you would still have some leverage.  I assume if you're willing to pony up and trade assets for the guy, then you will make a good faith effort to re-sign him.  

[DasNootz]

4 minutes ago, dneveu said:

Wont get any 2018 help doing that though.  Trading him now can get you picks in 2018.

 

I'd argue that the insurance of a starting caliber QB until Wentz returns is greater than the difference between a 2018 vs 2019 draft pick for a team that is already championship caliber.... especially when Wentz and Foles are on cheap contracts next year, making less combined than many starting QBs in the league.

[dollars 2 donuts]

23 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Frank Reich was not the SB MVP 

 

 

and the Championship game was won by Kelly.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

1 minute ago, DasNootz said:

I'd argue that the insurance of a starting caliber QB until Wentz returns is greater than the difference between a 2018 vs 2019 draft pick for a team that is already championship caliber.... especially when Wentz and Foles are on cheap contracts next year, making less combined than many starting QBs in the league.

 

They're already over the cap in 2018 while also losing players.  They have 1 pick in first 3 rounds, and will probably need to release a few solid players (Peters, Curry/Graham, Torrey Smith) to get under the cap.  Adding a top 100 pick or even two would definitely help the team.  

[Tiberius]

12 minutes ago, dneveu said:

 

I don't think you can do sign-and-trades in the NFL.  However, in the NFL you have the franchise tag - so you would still have some leverage.  I assume if you're willing to pony up and trade assets for the guy, then you will make a good faith effort to re-sign him.  

Good point. I'd trade a first and even more for him then. Maybe two first rounders 

[row_33]

possibly it's the coaching?

 

taking a nobody and a well-mapped out system they were the best team through the first dozen or so games and then learned the system with a second nobody out there over the last 4 or so weeks

 

especially as the Raiders and Cowboys humiliated Foles in his first few weeks until he learned the system

 

 

[dave mcbride]

1 hour ago, LabattBlue said:

Foles is worth more to the Eagles in 2018 as an insurance policy than what they are going to get in a trade.

 

Other than his one miracle year under Chip Kelly(27 TD's and 2 INT's), and a couple of really good playoff games this year, he has put up 34 TD's and 27 INT's(career numbers minus the year previously mentioned).  So how much is a team going to give up(in a trade and then a new contract) for this soon to be 30 year old?

He played well for KC in 2016. His bad times were in LA under Fisher, who also oversaw terrible performances by Keenum and Goff. 

[KGun12TD]

Ever heard of Money? $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

[#34fan]

1 hour ago, Mat68 said:

0 chance that happens.  I will be surprised if Foles is an Eagles after the draft.

 

Then, the Eagles organization would have collectively lost their minds...

How Many NFL QB's do you think would be able to stand and successfully trade blows with arguably the greatest QB of all time, versus one of the greatest playoff coaches of all time? -It's a rare commodity that most would hesitate to simply trade-away.

 

 

[Alphadawg7]

Everyone realizes that Foles didn't exactly have a monstrous run in Philly right?  Yes, played a great game against a terrible defensive showing in the Super Bowl, and in the process proved all the nut cases around who are clinically obsessed with getting only an ELITE passer to win are wrong.  

 

However, do any of you actually know what Foles did on the field filling in for Wentz?

 

Yes, he played great the last 2 games agains Minny and NE, and thats something NO ONE can ever take from him.  But other than that, he only had one other good game and it was against one of the worst defenses in the NFL where he threw fro 237 yards and 4 TD's.  He was worse than TT in all the other games in terms of production.  

 

So lets not now all pretend that all of a sudden Nick Foles is the next great QB.  He made 6 starts in regular and post season this year.  

• In 3 of those games he totaled 10 TD's and 1 Interception.
• In the other 3 games he averaged a pathetic 149.3 yards per game, with ZERO TD's and 2 Interceptions (all worse than anything we get from TT)
• He also had 5 fumbles in those 6 games.  

Yes, he got hot the final 2 games he played against Minny and NE.  But in the 4 previous games he had 1 good game and 3 bad games.  He had one good year in his career as a starter, and then was atrocious in LA.  And even in that good year of 27 TD's, he still only passed for 2800 yards and averaged 220 yards per game passing.  

 

All we KNOW right now is that Foles is a pretty good backup QB.  But he has not proven to be a reliable and quality starter in this league, especially not one that is worth giving up a lot to go get at this point.  

 

This reminds me of when Larry Brown of the Cowboys (defensive back) won the MVP in the Super Bowl against the Steelers.  He was considered the weak link on that D going in, yet Oakland signed him to a big contract that same offseason after the MVP win.  What happened next...Oakland CUT him 12 months later because he was still who he always was, a below average DB who now had a big contract.  The term for that is FOOLS GOLD.

Now I am not saying Foles for sure cant be a good starter, but his body of work extends way past just these 2 games in a row he had, and more importantly wasn't even very consistent this year either outside those 2 games.  His best year was great from a TD:INT ratio, but he still only averaged 220 yards a game.  His TD:INT ratio is actually pretty bad over the rest of his 6 year career.

 

The Foles obsession is crazy to me.  Not to mention, Philly would be stupid to trade him because they dont even know when Wentz can get back, so they may need someone they can rely on early next year.  They are obviously a SB contending roster, so Foles is likely worth more to them as insurance next year if Wentz needs more time or even gets hurt again.

Edited February 7, 2018 by Alphadawg7

[dave mcbride]

21 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Everyone realizes that Foles didn't exactly have a monstrous run in Philly right?  Yes, played a great game against a terrible defensive showing in the Super Bowl, and in the process proved all the nut cases around who are clinically obsessed with getting only an ELITE passer to win are wrong.  

 

However, do any of you actually know what Foles did on the field filling in for Wentz?

 

Yes, he played great the last 2 games agains Minny and NE, and thats something NO ONE can ever take from him.  But other than that, he only had one other good game and it was against one of the worst defenses in the NFL where he threw fro 237 yards and 4 TD's.  He was worse than TT in all the other games in terms of production.  

 

So lets not now all pretend that all of a sudden Nick Foles is the next great QB.  He made 6 starts in regular and post season this year.  

• In 3 of those games he totaled 10 TD's and 1 Interception.
• In the other 3 games he averaged a pathetic 149.3 yards per game, with ZERO TD's and 2 Interceptions (all worse than anything we get from TT)
• He also had 5 fumbles in those 6 games.  

Yes, he got hot the final 2 games he played against Minny and NE.  But in the 4 previous games he had 1 good game and 3 bad games.  He had one good year in his career as a starter, and then was atrocious in LA.  And even in that good year of 27 TD's, he still only passed for 2800 yards and averaged 220 yards per game passing.  

 

All we KNOW right now is that Foles is a pretty good backup QB.  But he has not proven to be a reliable and quality starter in this league, especially not one that is worth giving up a lot to go get at this point.  

 

This reminds me of when Larry Brown of the Cowboys (defensive back) won the MVP in the Super Bowl against the Steelers.  He was considered the weak link on that D going in, yet Oakland signed him to a big contract that same offseason after the MVP win.  What happened next...Oakland CUT him 12 months later because he was still who he always was, a below average DB who now had a big contract.  The term for that is FOOLS GOLD.

Now I am not saying Foles for sure cant be a good starter, but his body of work extends way past just these 2 games in a row he had, and more importantly wasn't even very consistent this year either outside those 2 games.  His best year was great from a TD:INT ratio, but he still only averaged 220 yards a game.  His TD:INT ratio is actually pretty bad over the rest of his 6 year career.

 

The Foles obsession is crazy to me.  Not to mention, Philly would be stupid to trade him because they dont even know when Wentz can get back, so they may need someone they can rely on early next year.  They are obviously a SB contending roster, so Foles is likely worth more to them as insurance next year if Wentz needs more time or even gets hurt again.

AD, I respectfully differ with you on Foles in the Philly-LA game. I know the numbers weren't impressive, but he made a couple of very impressive throws into tight coverage on third downs late in the game to seal the victory. He only threw it ten times, but he made some quality plays in that game against a very good defense. As for the final game of the season, they were in injury prevention mode. They had already clinched home field and the game didn't matter. 

[Alphadawg7]

2 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

AD, I respectfully differ with you on Foles in the Philly-LA game. I know the numbers weren't impressive, but he made a couple of very impressive throws into tight coverage on third downs late in the game to seal the victory. He only threw it ten times, but he made some quality plays in that game against a very good defense. As for the final game of the season, they were in injury prevention mode. They had already clinched home field and the game didn't matter. 

 

All good man, I respect your opposite opinion.  My main point is, Foles doesn't have a great resume.  And I am on board with the "he played great" in his games with Minny and NE.  But if I am also being fair, he made a lot of risky and ill advised throws in the SB where he chucked them up and were bad passes, one of which was picked off.  He was lucky, NE D wasn't good enough to capitalize more.  But that is also "nit picking" because overall he definitely had an outstanding SB and fully deserved the MVP.

 

But, I cant sit back and look at his body of work and know that guy is a quality starter in the NFL.  And you can give reasons for his 3 low performing games, but at the end of the day he played 6 games, and 3 of them gave no indication of what kind of starter he can be.  Yet he has a resume where outside of one season with a great TD:INT ratio, his body of work is very underwhelming.  Not to mention, in that great season, his production was low with just 220 yards per game.  

 

But in fairness, thats why I said I am not saying he "can't" be a good starer, but his last 2 games is just not the barometer I would only focus on in terms of betting on him.  The NFL is littered with bad contracts and/or trades for players off a couple big games.  Flynn was the next great thing because he broke the Packer record for TD's in a game...that didn't work out.  Our own Rob Johnson debacle is another prime example.  I realize Flynn has more games to evaluate, but he has more bad than good on that resume of games.  Larry Brown the next great DB...that didn't work out.  Many examples of over betting on small great games while ignoring a less than great body of work or limited sample sizes.

[Mat68]

4 minutes ago, #34fan said:

 

Then, the Eagles organization would have collectively lost their minds...

How Many NFL QB's do you think would be able to stand and successfully trade blows with arguably the greatest QB of all time, versus one of the greatest playoff coaches of all time? -It's a rare commodity that most would hesitate to simply trade-away.

 

 

1 pick in the first 100 picks.  Wentz is the franchise Qb and would have won the MVP.  He is the guy in Philly.  With the way the team is constructed they could stay afloat in the NFC and Division with a back up Qb for the first half of the season.  Chase Daniels, or a Qb of that ilk.  I am not saying to strictly give Foles away.  I would hold on to him if they were not offered anything of value.  But 2 picks with one a 1st is a strong possibility I expect for the eagles to take that offer.  They have the rare situation to trade away a Qb who market is going to be sizzling hot for.  By the way his 7 mil salary makes him more advantages than Cousins or a rookie.  Would Buffalo trade 1 or both of there first rounders?  Probably, and would Philly take that offer? Yes.  Foles is going to be in Philly for 1 more year at best.  He will possibly play 6 to 8 games.  Will those 6-8 games be better than the conference Championship game and Superbowl?  Probably not.  Imo i think Foles played the best games of his career in the 2 most important ones.  I dont expect for him to play at that level consistently so the more he plays the lower his value gets.  

[Mr. WEO]

4 hours ago, LabattBlue said:

Wentz isn't even two months into his recovery.  You want to send Foles packing in the next month or two, only too find out that Wentz has a setback around training camp time? 

 

"If the Eagles are confident that Wentz is the healthy franchise QB"