TheFunPolice Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Super Bowl 52 week headlines! ALEX SMITH TRADED! COUSINS TO DENVER! it's also super bowl 52 week... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 2 minutes ago, NastyNateSoldiers said: Your right this shouldn't be allowed at all this will open up a big can of worms the NFL should deal with this In a timely matter. Roger Goodell has to be the worst commish sports. No wonder there losing ratings like crazy. Skirting the rules pays in the NFL! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 17 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Mostly due to terrible QB play from Siemian, Osweiler, and Lynch. Perhaps. They were last or next to the last in the league in INTs But they had bad QB play last year, and won 4 more games, and their D fell from 4th to 22nd. Is the D bad only because the O put them in a fix with the picks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 9 minutes ago, horned dogs said: I just don't see Cousins as a NYC guy. He would definitely struggle with the NY media. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: That is possible. If they've decided they want to move on from Cousins, it's not a bad thing. But since it was your post: where does a trade and Talib come into it? cousins and Denver agree to a long-term deal. Washington and Denver agree to trade compensation (Talib, etc). Washington signs him to the transition tag, or to the actual deal he already worked out, trades him to Denver. Edited January 31, 2018 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 1 hour ago, Shaw66 said: I don't get it. Did the Redskins cut Cousins? If not, he can't be talking to Denver; it violates his contract with Washington. It's tampering. And if they DID cut him, doesn't Denver talking to him violate the free agency rules? What am I missing? I've been wondering about this as well. I didn't think any of this stuff could get started until at least the beginning of the 2018 league year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: cousins and Denver agree to a long-term deal. Washington and Denver agree to trade compensation (Talib, etc). Washington signs him to the transition tag, or to the actual deal he already worked out, trades him to Denver. I don't understand why Cousins wouldn't just wait for free agency to agree to a deal? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 (edited) 13 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: It's a non-issue. If indeed a trade is agreed upon by both sides, and Cousins has an extension agreement in place with Denver, all Washington needs to do is transition tag him so that he can sign it and make himself eligible for a trade. Once the trade is processed, he can sign his new deal with Denver. I don't think it is that simple. Going through the transition tag would mean higher compensation due Washington which the Redskins may not feel is achievable. Also, the bidding process gets moved into the open so Elway loses control. This is the reason I think this is being done now (if this deal can be confirmed). Otherwise, what is the hurry as Washington could pent up demand for Cousins as time moves forward. This is my best estimate short of mind-melding with Elway and Dan Snyder. Edited January 31, 2018 by RochesterRob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: cousins and Denver agree to a long-term deal. Washington and Denver agree to trade compensation (Talib, etc). Washington signs him to the transition tag, or to the actual deal he already worked out, trades him to Denver. I guess ....but it doesn't make a lot of logical sense to me. If Cousins is willing to shake on a deal with Denver now, and sign a new deal with Washington in order to be traded to Denver, it would mean that he really wants to play for Denver, and not wait and listen to any pitch that any other team would offer him. Which could be true. But if it's true, why would Denver agree to trade Talib? If Cousins believes that Denver is where he wants to be, then he'll sign there before or after FA, Denver has no need to give DB cookies to Snyder. OTOH, if Denver is one of several places Cousins would like to play, then he's going to want to test the waters of FA. In which case, Denver doing a trade to secure his services makes sense - but they can only trade for a player who signs either a new contract or a tag, and why would Cousins sign if he wants to test out FA? It couldn't be the actual deal worked out because then the signing bonus would stay with Washington. Edited January 31, 2018 by Hapless Bills Fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ittakestime Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 28 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Mostly due to terrible QB play from Siemian, Osweiler, and Lynch. Tyrod looked like a franchise QB against that defense. Their D was 28th in terms of passing TDs allowed. They have a lot more issues than QB. Still waiting for them to get an O line and RB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Quote 2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I guess ....but it doesn't make a lot of logical sense to me. If Cousins is willing to shake on a deal with Denver now, and sign a new deal with Washington in order to be traded to Denver, it would mean that he really wants to play for Denver, and not wait and listen to any pitch that any other team would offer him. Which could be true. But if it's true, why would Denver agree to trade Talib? If Cousins believes that Denver is where he wants to be, then he'll sign there before or after FA, Denver has no need to give DB cookies to Snyder. OTOH, if Denver is one of several places Cousins would like to play, then he's going to want to test the waters of FA. In which case, Denver doing a trade to secure his services makes sense - but they can only trade for a player who signs either a new contract or a tag, and why would Cousins sign if he wants to test out FA? It couldn't be the actual deal worked out because then the signing bonus would stay with Washington. I think Denver sweetens the deal now to make sure Washington follows through and doesn't start shopping around for more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBean Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: I heard this is done deal as well as Mccarron to Browns. Not sure how the trade is going down with Denver but hearing it is a sign and trade and involves aqib Talib. Is Donny boy your source? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 cousins would be helping out his old team by doing this and hurting the broncos. surely the broncos could get something for talib elsewhere right? a pick at least. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davspo Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 That would mean that Cleveland, the Jets and the Cardinals are the only teams that are definite to select a qb before the Bills. The Giants may or may not. Bills could move up to the 10 to 14 range without leveraging the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 38 minutes ago, BobChalmers said: How is that Denver - they are picking 5th for a reason? I know. I don’t get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 3 minutes ago, aristocrat said: cousins would be helping out his old team by doing this and hurting the broncos. surely the broncos could get something for talib elsewhere right? a pick at least. Relief from paying an aging CB about $20 million over the next 2 years? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Just now, JohnBonhamRocks said: Relief from paying an aging CB about $20 million over the next 2 years? if they cut him it's a 1 mil cap hit, if they trade him it's a 1 mil cap hit. dead cap i mean. talib could have value to another team for a mid round pick which could help the broncos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 26 minutes ago, horned dogs said: So you think it is fairly likely that they are talking to Elway behind the scenes and working out a deal that won't be releases until the league year starts? I think it's possible that Cousins' agent was given permission to talk to other teams, and that he has the framework of a deal with Denver in place. I also think it's possible that Denver and Washington--knowing that--agreed upon compensation. Likely? Meh, not sure. 16 minutes ago, RochesterRob said: I don't think it is that simple. Going through the transition tag would mean higher compensation due Washington which the Redskins may not feel is achievable. Also, the bidding process gets moved into the open so Elway loses control. This is the reason I think this is being done now (if this deal can be confirmed). Otherwise, what is the hurry as Washington could pent up demand for Cousins as time moves forward. This is my best estimate short of mind-melding with Elway and Dan Snyder. Nope. The transition tag only mandates the level of compensation if a player signs an offer sheet with a new team. Once Cousins signs the transition tender, he is under contract and can be traded for any agreed-upon compensation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 5 minutes ago, davspo said: That would mean that Cleveland, the Jets and the Cardinals are the only teams that are definite to select a qb before the Bills. The Giants may or may not. Bills could move up to the 10 to 14 range without leveraging the future. A first round pick on a rookie deal is cheap insurance for a team such as the Giants barring the other needs they may have. But then who said teams have to be logical in regards to the draft. I still think that McBeane will not bite on a trade unless somebody falls to the mid-teens but that just got a tiny bit more likely if this trade is for real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooklynBills Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 3 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: cousins and Denver agree to a long-term deal. Washington and Denver agree to trade compensation (Talib, etc). Washington signs him to the transition tag, or to the actual deal he already worked out, trades him to Denver. A sign and trade is not possible because the redskins will be on the hook for signing bonus and dead money created by it from the trade. Also, a deal of cousins size will need a signing bonus for cap purposes and to get guaranteed money up front similar to what smith just received in WASH and the other deals that QBs have signed recently. Somewhere in the 60-70 mil guaranteed at signing range. I guess DEN could fully guarantee the first 3 years of his deal but that would be insane. My guess is DEN and WASH agreed to a trade and allowed them to talk contract with Cousins. Good for DEN as it gives them exclusive dialogue with Cousins and the fact that they are willing to give something for Cousins might really impress Cousins enough to get him on a reasonable deal. I would think NYJ would want to get in on this too. Unless WASH is set on the player that DEN is giving up(rumored to be Talib). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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