YoloinOhio Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 Must be a guy McD had his eye on but couldn't get last season. Has to be an upgrade in McD's mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 Decent history, has been a DC at the collegiate level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 From the Texans. Fired this year, but has an extensive background, including DC at Penn State, I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
folz Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 Here's an article from BuffaloRumblings from a year ago speculating that McD might hire him as defensive coordinator. Apparently, McD and Butler were high school teammates. Butler was recently fired by the Texans. https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2017/1/11/14236628/john-butler-sean-mcdermott-bills-texans-assistant-ties-to-mcdermott-could-be-defensive-coordinator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooklynBills Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 https://www.google.com/amp/www.chron.com/sports/texans/amp/Texans-John-Butler-has-ties-to-Bills-HC-target-10849220.php Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FearLess Price Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 Is this an upgrade or an 'ol boys network' hire... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigK14094 Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 I would speculate that McD is surrounding himself with folks he is comfortable with....not uncommon in management, not just football. The guy has creds and if McD was "uncomfortable" with Byrd, this could be a good move for staff chemistry. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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klos63 Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 10 minutes ago, FearLess Price said: Is this an upgrade or an 'ol boys network' hire... Do you really think he may have just hired him because he's a friend? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FearLess Price Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 1 minute ago, klos63 said: Do you really think he may have just hired him because he's a friend? Its a possibility. Do you know how many people get hired at places simply because they have a friend that does the hiring? Regardless of business acumen or professional standards. Im questioning it thats all, i dont have that answer. Lets not act like cronyism doesnt exist tho, especially in the sports and entertainment industry 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 it's funny how the texans fired him after they lose bouye to free agency. that defense also lost so much talent it's hard for anyone to look good. I think this is a solid hire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heitz Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 3 minutes ago, klos63 said: Do you really think he may have just hired him because he's a friend? Of COURSE people think that - everything is a conspiracy when it comes the Bills! :tinfoil hat: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 Just now, FearLess Price said: Its a possibility. Do you know how many people get hired at places simply because they have a friend that does the hiring? Regardless of business acumen or professional standards. Im questioning it thats all, i dont have that answer. Lets not act like cronyism doesnt exist tho, especially in the sports and entertainment industry I understand it happens, but it's not like this guy isn't qualified. Familiarity is not the same as cronyism. I think those two get confused a lot. Not saying you're confusing them , but it's common. Plus, McDermott doesn't seem the type to hire someone just based on friendship. Only Rex does stuff like that. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 17 minutes ago, FearLess Price said: Is this an upgrade or an 'ol boys network' hire... Every coach in the league hires people they are familiar with or has a previous work history with.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FearLess Price Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 1 minute ago, klos63 said: I understand it happens, but it's not like this guy isn't qualified. Familiarity is not the same as cronyism. I think those two get confused a lot. Not saying you're confusing them , but it's common. Plus, McDermott doesn't seem the type to hire someone just based on friendship. Only Rex does stuff like that. I skimmed the article, the guy has credentials without question. Familiarity helps when you look for people to work with, i understand that. If Derm doesnt seem like the type to keep someone on bc of friendship then why is Castillo still here? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 30, 2018 Author Share Posted January 30, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, aristocrat said: it's funny how the texans fired him after they lose bouye to free agency. that defense also lost so much talent it's hard for anyone to look good. I think this is a solid hire. They actually dismissed several assistants and the word is that McNair told O’Brien to do so if he wanted that big extension ... the last secondary coach O’Brien fired was Vance Joseph and now he’s a HC. Edited January 30, 2018 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Muellers Ghost Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 Anyone else have a flashback to the gentle giant former Bills g.m. ? (rip) 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 Seems like a decent hire based on Butler's experience/resume. I'm just wondering why McD felt the need to change/upgrade when the defensive backfield was the most consistent part of the entire team all season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemma Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 Impressive profile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 9 minutes ago, FearLess Price said: Its a possibility. Do you know how many people get hired at places simply because they have a friend that does the hiring? Regardless of business acumen or professional standards. Im questioning it thats all, i dont have that answer. Lets not act like cronyism doesnt exist tho, especially in the sports and entertainment industry I don't see McD being the kind of coach that hires buddies just because their buddies. he appears to be a pretty meticulous man and I see this as more of experience hire for the betterment of the team. but that's just my opinion. trust the process. 6 minutes ago, Jamie Muellers Ghost said: Anyone else have a flashback to the gentle giant former Bills g.m. ? (rip) I did when I first saw the thread. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewin Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 (edited) 26 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Linebackers coach and ST coordinator at Harvard when Fitz was there. Coincidence? Edited January 30, 2018 by stevewin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 30, 2018 Author Share Posted January 30, 2018 Just now, stevewin said: Linebackers coach and ST coordinator when Fitz was there. Coincidence? Connect the dots! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prissythecat Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 13 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Connect the dots! Wait. So ties to Buffalo have been confirmed? Does that mean we are going after Fitz as our veteran QB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helpmenow Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 37 minutes ago, klos63 said: Do you really think he may have just hired him because he's a friend? All day long Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaattMaann Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 30 minutes ago, Gugny said: Seems like a decent hire based on Butler's experience/resume. I'm just wondering why McD felt the need to change/upgrade when the defensive backfield was the most consistent part of the entire team all season. because changing position coaches wont change scheme/design/play calls so it will not really have a huge impact Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FearLess Price Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 22 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said: I don't see McD being the kind of coach that hires buddies just because their buddies. he appears to be a pretty meticulous man and I see this as more of experience hire for the betterment of the team. but that's just my opinion. trust the process. I did when I first saw the thread. I agreed but then i see our OL running a zone scheme that has regressed our running game, pass blocking, and Castillo hasnt been axed. So.... meh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Muellers Ghost Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, Helpmenow said: All day long so kind of like the real world ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helpmenow Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 Just now, Jamie Muellers Ghost said: so kind of like the real world ? You bet everyday 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 32 minutes ago, Gugny said: Seems like a decent hire based on Butler's experience/resume. I'm just wondering why McD felt the need to change/upgrade when the defensive backfield was the most consistent part of the entire team all season. trust the process 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, FearLess Price said: I agreed but then i see our OL running a zone scheme that has regressed our running game, pass blocking, and Castillo hasnt been axed. So.... meh. is it January? I would expect many changes between now and opening day about 8 months from now, both on the roster and staff? Edited January 30, 2018 by DaBillsFanSince1973 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transient Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 40 minutes ago, FearLess Price said: Its a possibility. Do you know how many people get hired at places simply because they have a friend that does the hiring? Regardless of business acumen or professional standards. Im questioning it thats all, i dont have that answer. Lets not act like cronyism doesnt exist tho, especially in the sports and entertainment industry Based on the little I've read about Butler's credentials, this certainly doesn't FEEL like the Ronnie Jones fiasco of the Wade days. THAT was cronyism at it's finest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helpmenow Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 27 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Connect the dots! Butler Attended the same high school as McDermott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 35 minutes ago, Gugny said: Seems like a decent hire based on Butler's experience/resume. I'm just wondering why McD felt the need to change/upgrade when the defensive backfield was the most consistent part of the entire team all season. Because he wanted to. It's not about need. He wants the guys that he wants. He's the real brains behind the defense anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helpmenow Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 1 minute ago, transient said: Based on the little I've read about Butler's credentials, this certainly doesn't FEEL like the Ronnie Jones fiasco of the Wade days. THAT was cronyism at it's finest. Explain the wade and Ronnie jones thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 30, 2018 Author Share Posted January 30, 2018 I like the fact that he’s coming from the AFC South, since the Bills play all those teams next year 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 55 minutes ago, klos63 said: I understand it happens, but it's not like this guy isn't qualified. Familiarity is not the same as cronyism. I think those two get confused a lot. Not saying you're confusing them , but it's common. Plus, McDermott doesn't seem the type to hire someone just based on friendship. Only Rex does stuff like that. Didn't Gregg-O do the same thing when he was here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transient Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 16 minutes ago, Helpmenow said: Explain the wade and Ronnie jones thing Jones, who IIRC was reportedly friends with Wade, had no experience whatsoever coaching special teams prior to being hired as ST coordinator, a role in which he was epically incompetent at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 27 minutes ago, Helpmenow said: Butler Attended the same high school as McDermott he's also a highly regarded DB Coach 12 minutes ago, Mark Vader said: Didn't Gregg-O do the same thing when he was here? I don't recall, but Butler is qualified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FearLess Price Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 27 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said: is it January? I would expect many changes between now and opening day about 8 months from now, both on the roster and staff? Right. Lets see how it plays out. 27 minutes ago, transient said: Based on the little I've read about Butler's credentials, this certainly doesn't FEEL like the Ronnie Jones fiasco of the Wade days. THAT was cronyism at it's finest. Credentials are real. The connections are too. Lets hope to see acountability at the coaching level, like what happened with Dennison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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