YoloinOhio Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 1 minute ago, MJS said: Didn't he have some kind of family issue, which was why he was late? Mom was in the hospital. He said she has an important appointment on Thursday and that he may leave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 12 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: <br /> I'm slightly concerned that his armspan is shorter than his arm length Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, Blokestradamus said: I'm slightly concerned that his armspan is shorter than his arm length That would have led to lots of batted down passes in the NFL. Edited January 24, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said: That would have led to lots of batted down passes in the NFL. Longer arms than Nick O'Leary too All in all, good numbers for Baker. I'd heard worrying things about his hands meeting teams' thresholds. Guess I won't be docking his grade much after all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 3 hours ago, GunnerBill said: That secures Baker as a top 15 pick. I thought he'd come in just a smidgen below 6ft... to come in just the right side of the line guarantees he is gone before #21. It doesn’t guarantee anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 4 hours ago, GunnerBill said: I think he does have character issues. They are not Manziel level character issues.... and actually I hated Manziel's chance of transitioning as a player in any event.... but there are questions about some of his behaviour and actions. I don't think we are in the position to judge the reality of that in the way that the team are and ultimately they will make their judgment. As for McDermott loving intense competitors... he absolutely does. But he values professionalism equally. What Mayfield did on the field with the crotch grab etc was ultimately unprofessional. If that is the worst of his transgressions after doing due diligence I would still be willing to take him very high. Whether McDermott will I am less sure. All nothingness, the players wouldn't shake his hand, where is the outrage for their non professionalism? So he tells them off, big deal, not character flaw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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transplantbillsfan Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 On 1/23/2018 at 7:21 AM, JaCrispy said: He will drop for sure imo....not sure how many QBs under 6’ have been drafted top 10 before He's 6' 3/8", 220 lbs with 9 1/2 inch hands. I'm sure Mayfield has enough on film to solidify him as a 1st rounder now that he's not crazy short. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 21 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: He's 6' 3/8", 220 lbs with 9 1/2 inch hands. I'm sure Mayfield has enough on film to solidify him as a 1st rounder now that he's not crazy short. I would love to trade up for him but I don’t think he’s a McBeane type of guy unfortunately Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChanticleerBillsFan Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 How about the 9 1/2 inch hands, how's he stack up in the league with that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DriveFor1Outta5 Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 8 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: So 3 minor transgressions on the field over his career erased all of what he actually did playing football for you? You don't think this kid in particular "worried about his team"? I don't think you have ever seen him play at all. That comment gave you away. You have only seen the SportCenter clips of the episodes you described above. Do this: go watch him play and then come back and tell us all how you again concluded he doesn't care about the game, his team or winning. I watched him play. I saw a short Big 12 QB who consistently had all the time in the world to throw. I saw a guy who could take his time going through his progressions. He will not be afforded this luxury in the pros. I also saw a kid who did love football, but he also worried far too much about the media and the opponent. College football came easily to Mayfield. I’m sure a lot of hard work went into becoming the type of player he was, but he moved the ball at will in college. Pro football will present new challenges to Mayfield. Struggles are a guarantee, and I’m not sure how he’ll respond to them. I worry that his first real struggles in the pros could be a blow to his ego that he can’t overcome. Additionally, I just don’t think his skill set translates to the pros. Lots of people translate mega college success to mega pro success. It’s just not that simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 3 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: All nothingness, the players wouldn't shake his hand, where is the outrage for their non professionalism? So he tells them off, big deal, not character flaw. He didn't tell them off. He crotch grabbed quite obviously in full public view. How professional they were or were not is not in question because the Bills are not thinking about drafting any of them. They might be thinking about Mayfield. I guarantee you McDermott thought it unprofessional. I would put every pound I own on it. Is it significant enough a concern to not draft him? Not for me.... but the Bills will want to dig extra deep as a result. 4 hours ago, Jay_Fixit said: It doesn’t guarantee anything. He will be a top 15 pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sven233 Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 He's the best QB at the Senior Bowl & it's not close. And he might just be the best QB in the draft by the time it's said and done. He does so many things well. There are 3 great QBs in the draft & he is 1. Bills have to do what it takes to get one of Darnold, Rosen, or Mayfield. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted January 24, 2018 Author Share Posted January 24, 2018 3 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: I really do like the guy and think he has a chance to be good. I think he's in that top four. However, I do not think there is any chance this regime drafts him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 3 minutes ago, DriveFor1Outta5 said: I watched him play. I saw a short Big 12 QB who consistently had all the time in the world to throw. I saw a guy who could take his time going through his progressions. He will not be afforded this luxury in the pros. I also saw a kid who did love football, but he also worried far too much about the media and the opponent. College football came easily to Mayfield. I’m sure a lot of hard work went into becoming the type of player he was, but he moved the ball at will in college. Pro football will present new challenges to Mayfield. Struggles are a guarantee, and I’m not sure how he’ll respond to them. I worry that his first real struggles in the pros could be a blow to his ego that he can’t overcome. Additionally, I just don’t think his skill set translates to the pros. Lots of people translate mega college success to mega pro success. It’s just not that simple. I'm not doing that. Everything left unbolded in your post is true for almost any rookie QB prospect. He loves football, football comes easy to him and he could move the ball at will even against a team like Georgia. None of that sounds prohibitive to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted January 24, 2018 Author Share Posted January 24, 2018 (edited) I could see someone like the Giants falling in love dropping others down. How crazy would it be if Allen and Mayfield go 1-2? Rosen and Darnold sitting there at 3-4? Edited January 24, 2018 by MrEpsYtown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: I'm not doing that. Everything left unbolded in your post is true for almost any rookie QB prospect. He loves football, football comes easy to him and he could move the ball at will even against a team like Georgia. None of that sounds prohibitive to me. Fair enough. I just like seeing a QB in a pro style system who has faced more adversity than Mayfield. He did consistently move the ball at will, but he also faced very little pressure. Pro QB’s are often pressured on every play. I worry that Mayfield fits the typical profile of an elite college QB who doesn’t have the same success in the pros. He put up out this world video game type stats. The concern is that he looked spectacular in college, but all of his measurables are not consistent with those of elite NFL QB’s. Edited January 25, 2018 by DriveFor1Outta5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: He didn't tell them off. He crotch grabbed quite obviously in full public view. How professional they were or were not is not in question because the Bills are not thinking about drafting any of them. They might be thinking about Mayfield. I guarantee you McDermott thought it unprofessional. I would put every pound I own on it. Is it significant enough a concern to not draft him? Not for me.... but the Bills will want to dig extra deep as a result. He will be a top 15 pick. No one talks about the time he threw a Football at a TCU player’s head in pregame just to be a jerk. He was wearing a helmet, but still. Edited January 25, 2018 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman1876 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 The stuff Mayfield has done is about on par with Micah Hyde spaying Jags fans with water. Hyde does it and no one notices it, Baker does it and it dominates headlines. I don't think people understand what the Bills are looking for when it comes to character, from what I've seen the Bills want fiery competitors who can control that fire and not hurt their team on the field with outbursts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 41 minutes ago, Batman1876 said: The stuff Mayfield has done is about on par with Micah Hyde spaying Jags fans with water. Hyde does it and no one notices it, Baker does it and it dominates headlines. I don't think people understand what the Bills are looking for when it comes to character, from what I've seen the Bills want fiery competitors who can control that fire and not hurt their team on the field with outbursts. Im pretty sure I do. They are looking for Football character. I think Mayfield has that. I am sure he is high on their list of QBs. But imo he needs to stop being so hyper-sensitive what people say about him on twitter. He must literally search his mentions because he responds to random people he wouldn’t follow, like a Cleveland talk show host. He gets pissed at the slightest critique (ie Avg arm strength) by a twitter scout. He needs to let that stuff go. College football media are usually a bunch of homers and don’t challenge the players... that is going to change for him very soon and he needs to be able to handle that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 3 hours ago, Batman1876 said: The stuff Mayfield has done is about on par with Micah Hyde spaying Jags fans with water. Hyde does it and no one notices it, Baker does it and it dominates headlines. I don't think people understand what the Bills are looking for when it comes to character, from what I've seen the Bills want fiery competitors who can control that fire and not hurt their team on the field with outbursts. Hyde was arrested for public intoxication and resisting arrest? The on field antics aren't a big deal in and of themselves, but add in the off field it has to give evaluators a bit of pause. As a QB, His decision making will be the rise or fall of the coach. If I'm an organization I don't want my QB arguing with random mofo's on twitter. Maybe he turns out great, but it's fair that people have concerns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 4 hours ago, Batman1876 said: The stuff Mayfield has done is about on par with Micah Hyde spaying Jags fans with water. Hyde does it and no one notices it, Baker does it and it dominates headlines. I don't think people understand what the Bills are looking for when it comes to character, from what I've seen the Bills want fiery competitors who can control that fire and not hurt their team on the field with outbursts. Does water work for neutering, too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JohnBonhamRocks Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Interesting tidbit on WGR this morning, basically saying that Mayfield is calculated in drawing the attention to himself, especially from the opponent, because he doesn't mind it and it allows his teammates to focus and not have so much pressure on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 17 hours ago, DriveFor1Outta5 said: Fair enough. I just like seeing a QB in a pro style system who has faced more adversity than Mayfield. He did consistently move the ball at will, but he also faced very little pressure. Pro QB’s are often pressured on every play. I worry that Mayfield fits the typical profile of an elite college QB who doesn’t have the same success in the pros. He put up out this world video game type stats. The concern is that he looked spectacular in college, but all of his measurables are not consistent with those of elite NFL QB’s. What kid coming out of college has elite NFL QB measureables? Mayfield is light years more demonstrably better than Trubiski was in college---and Trubiski was felt ready enough to go #2 overall. Some NFL QBs are more pressured than others. P Manning had a career where he was able to prepare a nice meal in the pocket while he went through his progressions, for instance. College game is different as you say. The quality of defense any QB faces varies wildly from week to week--even facing top rnaked teams. You aren't ever going to see many draft candidates who have played in a pro style offense who faced a lot (consistently) of adversity from opposing defenses. Mayfield faced one in the playoffs (Georgia) and he beat them up for a while, then they slowed him down, then he came back at them again. That's as good as it gets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Mayfield has good enough size, he is growing on me more and more. 6'0 220lbs, 9.5 inch hands, overall his measurables are good enough. I'd jump up to 10-12 to take him. Cincinnati would be a great trade partner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 4 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: What kid coming out of college has elite NFL QB measureables? Mayfield is light years more demonstrably better than Trubiski was in college---and Trubiski was felt ready enough to go #2 overall. Some NFL QBs are more pressured than others. P Manning had a career where he was able to prepare a nice meal in the pocket while he went through his progressions, for instance. College game is different as you say. The quality of defense any QB faces varies wildly from week to week--even facing top rnaked teams. You aren't ever going to see many draft candidates who have played in a pro style offense who faced a lot (consistently) of adversity from opposing defenses. Mayfield faced one in the playoffs (Georgia) and he beat them up for a while, then they slowed him down, then he came back at them again. That's as good as it gets. By “elite measurables” I’d be referring to physical skills and characteristics. Plenty of guys have been able to check off all of those boxes, including the aforementioned Peyton Manning. Obviously none of those things guarantee success, but a six foot tall Big 12 QB frightens me. Some of us will like Mayfield, and others such as myself will maintain reservations. I’m not going to try changing anyone’s mind. It’s just a gut feeling based on tangibles that Mayfield won’t be a great pro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Now Moment Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 I'd be pretty disappointed if he doesn't play. Everyone talks about his competitiveness but if he doesn't play what does that show? Some of the best college talent collects at the senior bowl and if he decides not to play I think that will go against him. I hope he changes his mind if in fact this is true. He's having a nice week. Why not play in the game? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted January 25, 2018 Author Share Posted January 25, 2018 9 hours ago, JohnBonhamRocks said: Interesting tidbit on WGR this morning, basically saying that Mayfield is calculated in drawing the attention to himself, especially from the opponent, because he doesn't mind it and it allows his teammates to focus and not have so much pressure on them. That is a pretty interesting concept. Kind of taking one for the team. It sounds like sugar coating, but I do buy it to a certain extent. If he's willing to take on the criticism to protect his teammates that is pretty cool. I don't love how he responds to the criticism and it seems like it has the potential to be Ryan Leaf-like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 27 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: That is a pretty interesting concept. Kind of taking one for the team. It sounds like sugar coating, but I do buy it to a certain extent. If he's willing to take on the criticism to protect his teammates that is pretty cool. I don't love how he responds to the criticism and it seems like it has the potential to be Ryan Leaf-like. I agree that the guy’s floor seems incredibly low, and scary for a potential franchise QB. I’m also concerned that he doesn’t take criticism well. To be a good pro he’ll need to listen, and take criticism well. Mayfield’s Rose Bowl antics really turned me off. After stating that he had learned from his mistakes, he made another. He walked into the Rose Bowl carrying a sign that read “pretenders”. This was a response to a Lee Corso comment regarding OU in the preseason. Why is he even worried about a commentator’s remark from months ago? He doesn’t seem to learn, and continues to bring controversy to himself. I don’t condemn anyone for making mistakes. I do question their character and intellect when they continue to make the same ones. The NFL isn’t Wrestlemania. How will Mayfield react when his personality is stifled by a pro franchise ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 On 1/23/2018 at 1:19 PM, teef said: oh ****. yes...yes i did. i'm not going to fix it. i'm going to leave that there as a reminder. how else will i learn from my mistakes? You are quickly becoming one of my favorite posters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted January 26, 2018 Author Share Posted January 26, 2018 38 minutes ago, DriveFor1Outta5 said: I agree that the guy’s floor seems incredibly low, and scary for a potential franchise QB. I’m also concerned that he doesn’t take criticism well. To be a good pro he’ll need to listen, and take criticism well. Mayfield’s Rose Bowl antics really turned me off. After stating that he had learned from his mistakes, he made another. He walked into the Rose Bowl carrying a sign that read “pretenders”. This was a response to a Lee Corso comment regarding OU in the preseason. Why is he even worried about a commentator’s remark from months ago? He doesn’t seem to learn, and continues to bring controversy to himself. I don’t condemn anyone for making mistakes. I do question their character and intellect when they continue to make the same ones. The NFL isn’t Wrestlemania. How will Mayfield react when his personality is stifled by a pro franchise ? Pretty much completely agree. Good stuff. I know its boring to be the guy who ignores criticism like Eli Manning, but that what I want my quarterback to be. Boring and efficient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 2 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said: That is a pretty interesting concept. Kind of taking one for the team. It sounds like sugar coating, but I do buy it to a certain extent. If he's willing to take on the criticism to protect his teammates that is pretty cool. I don't love how he responds to the criticism and it seems like it has the potential to be Ryan Leaf-like. I tend to buy into it at least a little. I get the sense the guy will do anything to win, and I like that. 1 hour ago, DriveFor1Outta5 said: I agree that the guy’s floor seems incredibly low, and scary for a potential franchise QB. I’m also concerned that he doesn’t take criticism well. To be a good pro he’ll need to listen, and take criticism well. Mayfield’s Rose Bowl antics really turned me off. After stating that he had learned from his mistakes, he made another. He walked into the Rose Bowl carrying a sign that read “pretenders”. This was a response to a Lee Corso comment regarding OU in the preseason. Why is he even worried about a commentator’s remark from months ago? He doesn’t seem to learn, and continues to bring controversy to himself. I don’t condemn anyone for making mistakes. I do question their character and intellect when they continue to make the same ones. The NFL isn’t Wrestlemania. How will Mayfield react when his personality is stifled by a pro franchise ? I don't like antics, so agree there, but I think he just wants to win. I've heard/read many reports that he will put the team on his back and is successfully in motivating his teammates. Unrelated to Mayfield, isn't the NFL a little like Wrestlemania? It's an entertainment league above all else. Related to Mayfield, I'm not sure you have to completely stifle his personality. A good organization/coach just channels it effectively and healthily. In sum, I get the sense he is a guy his team will really go to battle with/for. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MrEpsYtown Posted January 27, 2018 Author Share Posted January 27, 2018 2 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Great news. Looking forward to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 (edited) I like this Mayfield story: osu players were pissed after Baker planted the OU flag at the Shoe. A confrontation on the field in terms of actually stopping him would have been appreciated in Sept but i digress. From the Ozone — This week at the Senior Bowl, Tyquan Lewis and Jalyn Holmes confronted him on a charter bus ferrying the North team to and from practices at Ladd-Peebles stadium, Lewis and Holmes surrounded Mayfield in his seat, blocking him in. They stared down Mayfield, and one of them broke the silence: “What’s wrong with you, bro?” A pregnant moment passed, then the three burst out laughing. “That’s what you get for kicking my ass the year before!” Mayfield said, referring to the Sooners’ 45-24 loss to the Buckeyes in Norman back in September 2016. The Ohio State pair admitted they probably would have done the same thing had the tables been turned. Edited January 27, 2018 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 You love that guy, if he’s YOURS. Oh, and you’re winning.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 1 minute ago, Augie said: You love that guy, if he’s YOURS. Oh, and you’re winning.... Yup, my take as well. If he’s on your team you love him. If not you hate him. I think he’s got a little of that Brady “!@#$ you” mentality which I think the Bills could use tbh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 20 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Yup, my take as well. If he’s on your team you love him. If not you hate him. I think he’s got a little of that Brady “!@#$ you” mentality which I think the Bills could use tbh If you happen to catch a little Xavier basketball, watch yourself some JP Macura. He’d be the most hated player on the hardcourt if he played for Duke. Still, he gets under everyone else's skin! It’s awesome to see! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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