Kiper Mock Draft: Josh Allen #1

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

27 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

If Josh Allen is the 1st pick in the NFL draft then I honestly will have to question what NFL teams are watching. 

 

I don't mean this in an arrogant way I am very much an amateur but I would love the opportunity to sit in a room for an afternoon with an NFL scout who has a 1st round grade on Josh Allen and go throw by throw and have him tell me what he is seeing because I am obviously not seeing it. I have been doing it 5 years and these people all their lives so they are more qualified than me but I just can't comprehend it. 

Mel Kiper Jr. asked about Josh Allen's completion percentage: "Stats are for losers in my opinion. The guy won."

 

I'm with you brother! You have to take on faith alot of so-called potential and the ability to mold this guy/ change this guy. I mean he was 7th in the MWC in passer efficiency.

 

Even if you believe he has tremendous potential (he can really fire the ball-no doubt), you still wouldn't use the number 1 overall pick on him.

[NickelCity]

Let's just make a big trade to move up and draft Mayfield. I see an accurate passer who can read a defense and has 'it', whatever it is. 

[Boatdrinks]

If the Bills take a CB with their first round pick ( either one) , I'll seriously vomit. 

[Paul Costa]

8 hours ago, Chicken Boo said:

What happens when the Bills sign EJ Gaines to a contract and pick up one of the premiere DTs in free agency?

 

That's exactly what I predict will happen.

I agree. That’s why mock drafts are a moot point until at least after the first couple of weeks of FA.

[YoloinOhio]

 

[CaptnCoke11]

10 hours ago, xRUSHx said:

Wow Cleveland expected to bust again at QB while Buffalo expected to not even try for one. SMH, groundhogs day.

Well when it happens so much I guess it is why the so called experts put it in writing for all to see. Allen is talked about by many to bust hard in the NFL from what I have read so being picked first by Cleveland makes it oh so right I guess.

Sadly I can see this happening.

Might as well not watch the Bills next year after this mock draft 3 months before the draft.  

[Domdab99]

Mel Kiper Jr. asked about Josh Allen's completion percentage: "Stats are for losers in my opinion. The guy won."

 

Kiper is a moron. 

[starrymessenger]

Josh Allen's stat sheet is ugly but I really wouldn't put too much stock in that. His physical traits for playing the position are elite. But of course there is a problem. The problem is that he is an impulsive player who will overreact to the chaos around him rather than calmly process information. He is extremely fidgety in the pocket and often shows an alarming lack of poise. The result is that he is impatient, will often not make the right read, will make poor decisions, will not work the pocket well, will bail from it way too early. And when all of that happens his mechanics go right out the window. 

In other words the problem is not the physical skill set. It is genuinely elite. As with so many QBs and QB prospects however it's the cognitive aspect of playing the position that is lacking. The question for anyone looking to draft him is whether he can calm down, get his feet to be less happy, stand quietly in the pocket as he goes through his progressions, make the right reads so that the right decisions can follow. 

Right now he's most developed as a long ball thrower. Give him a clean pocket and a little time and he well show you excellent mechanics. With those good mechanics you also get accuracy. When that happens you think you are looking at the second coming of John Elway and actually you really are. There is no other arm like his in this draft.

But buyer beware. There is something coming between him and greatness. It's called pressure. He just can't handle it. At least not now. When he gets pressure he is Tyrod at his worst. Sure he may impress you with his speed and strength (in Tyrods case less pure strength and more moves) that can yield positive yardage, but Bills fans should be wise to that not being enuf, not nearly enuf. That's not being an NFL QB. 

Tyrod was never able to learn those things (if indeed they can be learned). I hope for his sake that Allen can. If he does he will be really, really good. The experts will have to form a view by late April. 

Believe it or don't, but I think Lamar Jackson can do those things. That's why he's my #1 prospect.

Edited January 19, 2018 by starrymessenger

[reddogblitz]

Didn't he have Jake Locker as the first pick one time?

 

Everything I've seen and read Allen's inaccurate. 56% IN COLLEGE  

 

He looks good in shorts though I guess.

 

Heads will explode on TBD if we pick a CB first.

Edited January 19, 2018 by reddogblitz

[Thurman#1]

17 hours ago, BadLandsMeanie said:

Thats true. Then we could keep losing like always, but lose with a respectable D-Line.

 

 

 

Heh heh heh.

[NastyNateSoldiers]

I don't get all the Rosen love i think he's to frail to play the position in the NFL. I see mutiple broken bones in his future and no 2nd contract because he will just quit. He throws a pretty pass but that doesn't alone project to elite QB play in the NFL. I also don't like his attitude and not because he speaks his mind. Its his mannerisms that concern me. He just seems like a Cutler/ George type i don't want nothing to do with him. 

[Thurman#1]

13 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

Stafford was a 57% passer at Georgia and his draft profile included weaknesses like 'fundamentally lazy' and 'sloppy footwork'. 

 

 

Well, yeah, but you're really slanting things your way. Sure Stafford was a 57% passer - career - but he improved every year and his senior year he was a 61% passer while holding a superb YPA of 9.0. His 57% had a lot more to do with his 51% freshman year when he had almost a 1:2 TD:INT ratio. Awful. But by his last year he was much much better.

 

Had a few positives too, though.

 

"STRENGTHS

 Positives: Perhaps a bit shorter than preferred, but has excellent bulk and strength for the position. ... Durable performer who never missed a college game due to injury, despite a leaky offensive line. ... Efficient footwork and depth on his drop from center. ... Quick to scan the field and go through his progressions. ... Elite arm strength. ... Can make all the throws and shows power and toughness getting the ball deep even when defenders are closing and making contact. ... Consistent with excellent accuracy to all levels of the field. ... Consistent placing the deep out on the far shoulder of his receiver, away from the defender. ... Has good deep accuracy and trajectory. ... Lofts the ball high enough to allow his receiver to run under it. ... Aggressive, but has developed into a smarter passer over his career and will take what the defense gives him by dropping to his second and third options. ... Learning to look off the safety. ... Underrated core strength. ... Keeps his eyes downfield and will step up in the pocket and is willing to take a hit to complete the pass. ... Surprisingly nimble in the pocket and can avoid the rush. ... Underrated straight-line speed and will take what the defense gives him. ... Takes his own success and that of the team very seriously. ... Extremely competitive. ... Team captain. ... Undefeated in bowl games. Negatives: Can get fundamentally lazy... ... Though he has an efficient overall release, should be able to speed it up for underneath screens passes to take better advantage of the surprise to the defense. ... Sloppy footwork. ... Will get lazy and throw off his back foot, which could lead to turnovers in the NFL... ... Willing to throw into tight spots, though more often than not he places the ball where it needs to be... ... Not great accuracy on crossing routes. ... Too often leads his receivers too far or forces them to reach back, slowing their momentum and limiting their ability to generate yardage after the catch."

Edited January 19, 2018 by Thurman#1

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

.."Ryan Leaf had a hilariously perfect response to Mel Kiper Jr.’s first mock draft, which had Wyoming quarterback Josh Allen going No. 1 overall to the Cleveland Browns. "....

 

Ryan D Leaf‏Verified account @RyanDLeaf

 

 

Replying to @BarrettSallee

Then again he picked me ahead of Peyton too, just sayin!!

1:41 PM - 18 Jan 2018 from Los Angeles, CA

[Thurman#1]

3 hours ago, NastyNateSoldiers said:

I don't get all the Rosen love i think he's to frail to play the position in the NFL. I see mutiple broken bones in his future and no 2nd contract because he will just quit. He throws a pretty pass but that doesn't alone project to elite QB play in the NFL. I also don't like his attitude and not because he speaks his mind. Its his mannerisms that concern me. He just seems like a Cutler/ George type i don't want nothing to do with him. 

 

 

I think Rosen is going to work out great. Unfortunately I don't see him falling even out of the top two.

 

If you're worrying about his attitude, listen to this about him. Listen to the stuff about his confrontation with Dilfer. Rosen has matured and is going to be a very very good player, IMHO.

 

https://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2018/01/18/fantasy-lab-podcast-matt-waldman-on-the-2018-qb-class/#respond

 

It's around 9:50 and lasts around five minutes.

[WideRightRevenge]

22 hours ago, NewDayBills said:

If Courtland Sutton is there at 21, you sprint up to the podium. And it's too bad he has Vita Vea going 19, he would be a nice fit for this defense.

I agree ... but  ... I love Vita Vea and would like to see him in Bills colors ... I know most of this thread is about QB this QB that ... I don't believe they will take a QB with these picks and concur with others .. they may trade one of the two picks to gather more draft capital.

18 hours ago, ndirish1978 said:

This article is click-bait. He throws out a non-consensus pick now to generate interest in his position and will change his mind and have Rosen in there at #1 before the draft rolls around. 

Contrary to many on this board ... I'm a Kiper fan .. not because he's remotely accurate ... let's be clear . .he is NOT .. .the Jimmy Claussen commentary stated earlier reinforces this .. but let's be clear ... look at 1st round bust historically ... many NFL GM's included those employed at 1 Bills Drive ... have missed on many picks as well  .. but bottom line he's in the sports entertainment business ... this guy carved out a niche and has been doing it for 30 years now ... got to give credit where credit is due ... he hypes up the draft in January .. has us talking about it ... prolongs the NFL discussion in the offseason ... and for nothing else .. this clip alone is entertaining regarding him and the Colts from 1994.

 

I'll watch Kiper and McShay talk football picks any time

 

http://www.nfl.com/videos/indianapolis-colts/0ap2000000345422/Caught-in-the-Draft-Kiper-calls-out-the-Colts

 

[Putin]

22 hours ago, Bray Wyatt said:

if baker mayfield makes it anywhere near number 10 we should trade up

I’m not an expert on evaluating college QB’s , 

but i really believe Baker Mayfield will be the best QB of this year’s draft , and I think we should do what ever it takes to get him , but if we can’t ( I Pray to God ? )  that he does NOT go  to the jests , 

 

 

[Coach Tuesday]

8 hours ago, starrymessenger said:

Josh Allen's stat sheet is ugly but I really wouldn't put too much stock in that. His physical traits for playing the position are elite. But of course there is a problem. The problem is that he is an impulsive player who will overreact to the chaos around him rather than calmly process information. He is extremely fidgety in the pocket and often shows an alarming lack of poise. The result is that he is impatient, will often not make the right read, will make poor decisions, will not work the pocket well, will bail from it way too early. And when all of that happens his mechanics go right out the window. 

In other words the problem is not the physical skill set. It is genuinely elite. As with so many QBs and QB prospects however it's the cognitive aspect of playing the position that is lacking. The question for anyone looking to draft him is whether he can calm down, get his feet to be less happy, stand quietly in the pocket as he goes through his progressions, make the right reads so that the right decisions can follow. 

Right now he's most developed as a long ball thrower. Give him a clean pocket and a little time and he well show you excellent mechanics. With those good mechanics you also get accuracy. When that happens you think you are looking at the second coming of John Elway and actually you really are. There is no other arm like his in this draft.

But buyer beware. There is something coming between him and greatness. It's called pressure. He just can't handle it. At least not now. When he gets pressure he is Tyrod at his worst. Sure he may impress you with his speed and strength (in Tyrods case less pure strength and more moves) that can yield positive yardage, but Bills fans should be wise to that not being enuf, not nearly enuf. That's not being an NFL QB. 

Tyrod was never able to learn those things (if indeed they can be learned). I hope for his sake that Allen can. If he does he will be really, really good. The experts will have to form a view by late April. 

Believe it or don't, but I think Lamar Jackson can do those things. That's why he's my #1 prospect.

 

That's consistent with what Matt Waldman had to say in the interview someone linked here the other day.  He said if you told him that one QB prospect was being looked at as a potential WR because of inconsistency in the pocket, he would think it was Allen not Jackson.  He said Jackson is a much, much better pocket QB than Allen.

 

Jackson is really interesting.  He is a better thrower than he gets credit for around here.  Someone will be interested in him at 21/22.  The Bills are in a prime spot for someone to trade up from the second round to draft a QB...

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[SouthNYfan]

8 hours ago, reddogblitz said:

Didn't he have Jake Locker as the first pick one time?

 

Everything I've seen and read Allen's inaccurate. 56% IN COLLEGE  

 

He looks good in shorts though I guess.

 

Heads will explode on TBD if we pick a CB first.

 

LOLOL!! YEP.

 

2 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

.."Ryan Leaf had a hilariously perfect response to Mel Kiper Jr.’s first mock draft, which had Wyoming quarterback Josh Allen going No. 1 overall to the Cleveland Browns. "....

 

Ryan D Leaf‏Verified account @RyanDLeaf

 

 

Replying to @BarrettSallee

Then again he picked me ahead of Peyton too, just sayin!!

1:41 PM - 18 Jan 2018 from Los Angeles, CA

 

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[oldmanfan]

Kiper is entertaining.  Clueless, but entertaining.