Cordy Glenn for Andy Dalton

[billsfan_34]

Glenn has Chronic foot problems and no trade value. Dalton, IMO is, at least, a top 2nd string QB in this league. We would have to give more than Glemm for Dalton.

[GreggTX]

Once again I have to explain that Glenn is a solid OT in a time when OL of his caliber are hard to come by. It's obvious that replacing him would be a very difficult task, if not impossible. Granted this assumes that the foot surgery he recently had will restore him to 99%. This would be a real competitive disadvantage and I honestly don't think we'd do any better than Mills as a replacement as other teams aren't likely to let good OT's walk.

 

As far as Dalton is concerned, he is marginally better than TT and we'd have to fork over probably more than he's worth since he once had a good season. We'd be locked into a mediocre QB for the long term. And again, I want to win the SB, not just show up for wild card weekend then go home.

[PromoTheRobot]

9 hours ago, uticaclub said:

Marvin Lewis was told to clean house 

 

Cinny needs a LT

 

Buf needs a QB

 

both have similar contracts for their respective positions. Thoughts?

 

if you’re going to say we don’t need a QB because we have Tyrod, please watch any all22 from the last 3 years

 

I wonder how long it would be before Bills fans would start hating Andy Dalton if he played for Buffalo?

[The Jokeman]

5 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

How about AJ McCarron and we keep Glenn

 

 

Cleveland almost got him for two 2nds at the trade deadline, I wonder if he'd cost the same this offseason?

[Manther]

8 hours ago, Shotgunner said:

No.

 

Dalton has a special place in Bills history...

 

...let's not make everyone hate him and run him out of town.

Funny, but, true.

 

He's our golden child, I mean, ginger child!

Edited January 12, 2018 by Manther

[xRUSHx]

7 hours ago, reddogblitz said:

 

Aren't we mad at Hotrod for disappearing in a first round playoff game? Andy Dalton did it FIVE years IN A row.

 

You know Dalton did what Hotrod did last Sunday 5 years In a row right? He stunk in those playoff games.

 

Get him on the team and you'll probably be leaving games at half time again next year.

He would be more of a mentor bridge QB then Tyrod would ever be IMO.

 

He has shown to not worry about throwing the ball over what we have now with timidTyrod.

He is not one that blames race and he is one that uses the system given not a special Tyalor made short bus system.

It would be nice to have all QBs on the same page.

 

He is also a big reason that broke the Bills drought, it is almost like a fate thing with him. I will take Dalton over Tyrod anyday for a mentor for the new young QB drafted this year.

Franchise QB no, mentor bridge, yes

Dalton over Tyrod and it is not even close

Edited January 12, 2018 by xRUSHx

[Heavy Kevi]

29 minutes ago, Manther said:

Funny, but, true.

 

He's our golden child, I mean, ginger child!

 

Exactly.

 

I love him now, but we would start complaining about him as soon as he threw an incomplete pass.

 

He is not our QB of the future. Getting Dalton is actually a real concern for me. After he beat the Ravens, the first thing to pop in my head (besides omg we made the playoffs!) was "oh no, he's going to be in Buffalo next year". 

[xRUSHx]

4 minutes ago, Shotgunner said:

 

Exactly.

 

I love him now, but we would start complaining about him as soon as he threw an incomplete pass.

 

He is not our QB of the future. Getting Dalton is actually a real concern for me. After he beat the Ravens, the first thing to pop in my head (besides omg we made the playoffs!) was "oh no, he's going to be in Buffalo next year". 

He would be a bridge man, funny how the guys that want to stick with Tyrod paint such a dark picture of fans. He would not be considered a franchise QB just a better step in the right direction over the 54 yard, one FG Tyrod.

Edited January 12, 2018 by xRUSHx

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, mjt328 said:

Now that our playoff drought is over, I'm not willing to settle for a mediocre quarterback.

 

When we were looking at 17 years with no playoffs, I was willing to stick with guys like Ryan Fitzpatrick, Kyle Orton and Tyrod Taylor -- because I believed it was important for this franchise and these fans to just finally make the postseason.  Those guys had a high floor and low ceiling, and had a chance to get us to 10 wins. 

 

Guys like Dalton and Alex Smith do nothing for me.  Those guys won't get us past the Wild Card Round, unless we have an elite defense to carry them.  Let's do our homework and land our franchise QB in the draft.

 

I like that way of looking at it.  

[Heavy Kevi]

2 minutes ago, xRUSHx said:

He would be a bridge man, funny how the guys that want to stick with Tyrod paint such a dark picture of fans. He would not be considered a franchise QB just a better step in the right direction over the 54 yard, one FG Tyrod.

 

I don't want Tyrod and I'm not painting a dark pic of fans. Don't put thoughts in my mouth.

 

Dalton is not good. Bills fans want a good QB. Since he is not a good QB, we would complain.

 

Jesus.

[xRUSHx]

52 minutes ago, GreggTX said:

Once again I have to explain that Glenn is a solid OT in a time when OL of his caliber are hard to come by. It's obvious that replacing him would be a very difficult task, if not impossible. Granted this assumes that the foot surgery he recently had will restore him to 99%. This would be a real competitive disadvantage and I honestly don't think we'd do any better than Mills as a replacement as other teams aren't likely to let good OT's walk.

 

As far as Dalton is concerned, he is marginally better than TT and we'd have to fork over probably more than he's worth since he once had a good season. We'd be locked into a mediocre QB for the long term. And again, I want to win the SB, not just show up for wild card weekend then go home.

Glenn is such a question mark,  IMO take the risk and move on while he still has value. IMO Daltons contract can be reworked so he can be the starter with big incentives a short time then retire a backup here on a modest backup contract. I do not see the big issue you are painting. He is not a Manning type signing IMO.

[ProcessTheTrust]

All we gotta do is delete all stories and medical history about his lingering injuries. A huge man with a foot problem having to fight against other big men shouldn't be an issue. I'm sure they might even throw in a few extra 1st round picks 

[xRUSHx]

2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

We’ve officially lost our minds!! Do people honestly think that a team will trade their starting QB for an injured left tackle?!? 

 

.

.

It would be funny If they did, hell we could give them the great Tyrod. Glenn and Tyrod for Dalton, straight up. Did you see where Tyrod is rated in some places. Haha

 

Dalton is no franchise QB but he would be a good bridge for the QB drafted this year  IMO and for that price, lol

.

Edited January 12, 2018 by xRUSHx

[JohnC]

2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

We’ve officially lost our minds!! Do people honestly think that a team will trade their starting QB for an injured left tackle?!? 

 

I get the sense that this regime would gladly trade Glenn for whatever deal they can get for him. I don't understand their position. Last year, he was hurt but overall he has not only been sturdy but also a very good player. I don't care if he plays on the right or  left side or even inside for that matter, why deal off a good OL player and create another hole when you can keep him and upgrade the line in general?

[xRUSHx]

7 minutes ago, Shotgunner said:

 

I don't want Tyrod and I'm not painting a dark pic of fans. Don't put thoughts in my mouth.

 

Dalton is not good. Bills fans want a good QB. Since he is not a good QB, we would complain.

 

Jesus.

Hey man I just hate the dark picture of fans not supporting it is a tactic I hear all to often when the Tyrod pushers talk about a young QB here. Sorry about the snarky remark at you.

[snafu]

5 hours ago, twoandfourteen said:

 

You know he put "Hotrod" into the playoffs with a throw that Taylor could only dream about. 

 

I'd also take 2 more playoff years in a row while our rookie learns on the bench. 

 

Fool's gold.

Dalton had absolutely nothing to lose making  that throw.

...and did you see all the throws that preceded that one?  He sucked.

 

[CuddyDark]

10 hours ago, uticaclub said:

Marvin Lewis was told to clean house 

 

Cinny needs a LT

 

Buf needs a QB

 

both have similar contracts for their respective positions. Thoughts?

 

if you’re going to say we don’t need a QB because we have Tyrod, please watch any all22 from the last 3 years

Sounds like Russ Brandon is back in control. This would be a great media story if we ended up with Andy Dalton.

[MarkyMannn]

3 hours ago, billsbackto81 said:

Has McCarron shown anything other than a smoking hot wife?

Didn't know that.  Holy Cow its GOOD to be AJ

[Manther]

10 hours ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:

I would definitely do this trade, but also draft a QB early.  I don’t, however, view this as a realistic scenario.

Agreed and agreed.

[MarkyMannn]

Sort of stunned there's never been a thread "we missed on D Watson".  He was there, I thought for sure ours

[Manther]

38 minutes ago, JohnC said:

I get the sense that this regime would gladly trade Glenn for whatever deal they can get for him. I don't understand their position. Last year, he was hurt but overall he has not only been sturdy but also a very good player. I don't care if he plays on the right or  left side or even inside for that matter, why deal off a good OL player and create another hole when you can keep him and upgrade the line in general?

Agreed on your thoughts on Cordy.

 

Also agree on your thoughts on this regime with him.  I have same eerie feeling and I hope I am wrong.

[baskingridgebillsfan]

11 hours ago, K-9 said:

No thanks. Dalton is no where near as good a QB as Glenn is an OT when healthy. 

not sure I agree with that .   

I wrote in another link that Dalton could be a sleeper pick to be the next qb.  Maybe the Bengals go with the cheaper option with a.j and trade Dalton for some assets. 

Edited January 12, 2018 by baskingridgebillsfan

[mob16151]

7 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

 

They aren't trading Dalton and if they did they'd get a lot more than Glenn.

 

Especially since Dalton has one of the best contracts of any established starting QB's in the league.

[Domdab99]

I love that people  want the guy who can't beat out Andy Dalton to be out starting QB

[apuszczalowski]

4 minutes ago, Domdab99 said:

I love that people  want the guy who can't beat out Andy Dalton to be out starting QB

There's maybe one person here that said they want him, almost everyone else said it's more likely you would be able to get him then Dalton straight up for Glenn

 

But as for AJ, who knows what he could end up being, Dalton was a high draft pick who has solidified himself as their starter, almost all teams aren't going to just switch from that unless they had to and Dalton hasn't been bad enough to make them think of making a change. It's not like people are arguing for the Bills to trade for Blake Bortles backup......

[Domdab99]

19 minutes ago, apuszczalowski said:

There's maybe one person here that said they want him, almost everyone else said it's more likely you would be able to get him then Dalton straight up for Glenn

 

But as for AJ, who knows what he could end up being, Dalton was a high draft pick who has solidified himself as their starter, almost all teams aren't going to just switch from that unless they had to and Dalton hasn't been bad enough to make them think of making a change. It's not like people are arguing for the Bills to trade for Blake Bortles backup......

 

If the Bengals are willing to let McCarron go knowing Dalton is on his last legs, what does that tell you about McCarron?

[nedboy7]

You all hate TT but want dalton?  Nah. 

[Fadingpain]

That would be an immediate huge upgrade for the Bills, which is why the Bengals would never do that deal.

 

 

[apuszczalowski]

22 minutes ago, Domdab99 said:

 

If the Bengals are willing to let McCarron go knowing Dalton is on his last legs, what does that tell you about McCarron?

Dalton is on his last legs? Where is that coming from?

 

What does it tell you about Garapollo that the Pats were willing to deal him with Brady in his 40s? And no other backup on the roster at that time?

Edited January 12, 2018 by apuszczalowski

[reddogblitz]

8 hours ago, twoandfourteen said:

 

You know he put "Hotrod" into the playoffs with a throw that Taylor could only dream about. 

 

I'd also take 2 more playoff years in a row while our rookie learns on the bench. 

 

If Hotrod hadn't brought us back from 7 down in the 4th vs Bucs or Joe Webb III not  thrown that pass and Thompson catching it in the Snow Bowl or Shady running it in from 20 yard out with  a nice block from Richie, would Dalton's pass still have gotten us in?

 

This is dumb. You gotta think man. Playoffs are based on the whole season.

 

I got one for you. If Drop Zone had caught that pass that hit him in the hands on the goal line vs the  Panthers, we would have been 5th seed.

 

If its and buts ...

 

We made the playoffs with Hotrod at QB. Deal with it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Green Lightning]

9 hours ago, joesixpack said:

 

Not for nothing but Glenn hasn’t protected anything but the training table in the past couple years. #fatman #badfeet #wastedcap

 

Can't argue that! That said, I still wouldn't trade Glenn for Dalton.

[mob16151]

52 minutes ago, Domdab99 said:

 

If the Bengals are willing to let McCarron go knowing Dalton is on his last legs, what does that tell you about McCarron?

 

 

What on earth are you talking about. Dalton is like 30.......How is that last legs?

 

3300 yards,25 touchdowns 12 interceptions. Wish a bills QB was on his last legs like that.

Edited January 12, 2018 by mob16151

[Chandler#81]

Fidgeting with my Luck-y rabbits foot, rubbing a bald mans head for Luck and wishing for Andrew Luck

if ever he’s gonna be made available, it’s this off season where no one has seen him play effectively for 2 years and an entire new staff will be brought in in Indy.  

Instant championship contender.

[twoandfourteen]

3 hours ago, snafu said:

 

Fool's gold.

Dalton had absolutely nothing to lose making  that throw.

...and did you see all the throws that preceded that one?  He sucked.

 

 

15 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

If Hotrod hadn't brought us back from 7 down in the 4th vs Bucs or Joe Webb III not  thrown that pass and Thompson catching it in the Snow Bowl or Shady running it in from 20 yard out with  a nice block from Richie, would Dalton's pass still have gotten us in?

 

This is dumb. You gotta think man. Playoffs are based on the whole season.

 

I got one for you. If Drop Zone had caught that pass that hit him in the hands on the goal line vs the  Panthers, we would have been 5th seed.

 

If its and buts ...

 

We made the playoffs with Hotrod at QB. Deal with it.

 

1. Ok, show me the clutch throws that Taylor has made in any situation like that.  The point is that Dalton CAN do it. Our current QB either can't or won't. 

 

2. Thompson was as wide open as any WR could possibly be on that 44 yard toss. Great play, absolutely. But let's not pretend it was the "Immaculate Reception" or anything. 

 

3. Absolutely correct. Despite not having a legitimate starting QB on the roster, the Bills were able to keep themselves in a position where a great throw on 4th down from an actual starting QB in a an entirely different game punched their ticket to Wild Card Weekend. The Bills and Tyrod did the work to benefit from some help, and deserve all of the recognition that comes with it. 

 

4. You know, watching that last throw in the Panthers game again -- maybe it was just poor execution from both QB & WR. See, the problem is that Taylor doesn't exactly have a reputation for making accurate throws, so I tend more towards him misfiring and that forced Jones to adjust awkwardly. But it's possible that Jones ran his route to the wrong place, but still, Tyrod has to be able to put that ball right on his wide-open receiver. 

 

5. This is a factual and correct statement, yes. 

[Alphadawg7]

15 hours ago, uticaclub said:

Marvin Lewis was told to clean house 

 

Cinny needs a LT

 

Buf needs a QB

 

both have similar contracts for their respective positions. Thoughts?

 

if you’re going to say we don’t need a QB because we have Tyrod, please watch any all22 from the last 3 years

 

Well considering Dalton and TT have almost the same stats in most measurable categories despite Dalton being in the same system and playing with a great WR group, including an Elite WR, his whole career would tell me no.  If you dont want TT, Dalton isnt that much of an upgrade IMO.  

 

Draft our QB, trade Glenn for more picks, and reload our holes.  

 

 

[mob16151]

20 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Well considering Dalton and TT have almost the same stats in most measurable categories despite Dalton being in the same system and playing with a great WR group, including an Elite WR, his whole career would tell me no.  If you dont want TT, Dalton isnt that much of an upgrade IMO.  

 

Draft our QB, trade Glenn for more picks, and reload our holes.  

 

 

 

Have you actually looked at their stays over the last 3 years. The only thing Tyrod does better is throw a few less picks,and run. Any NFL team takes Dalton over Tyrod 10 times out of 10

 

[Domdab99]

1 hour ago, apuszczalowski said:

Dalton is on his last legs? Where is that coming from?

 

What does it tell you about Garapollo that the Pats were willing to deal him with Brady in his 40s? And no other backup on the roster at that time?

 

That they obviously made a mistake and are having front office issues - or didn't you read about that last week? 

[Nick the Greek]

I love when people sell low. Who would want Glenn? He was healthy for what, 3 games last year? 

 

I’m sure teams  will be lined up around the block looking to unload 1st round picks or a franchise QBs for an often injured lineman. 

[Alphadawg7]

14 minutes ago, mob16151 said:

 

Have you actually looked at their stays over the last 3 years. The only thing Tyrod does better is throw a few less picks,and run. Any NFL team takes Dalton over Tyrod 10 times out of 10

 

 

Really?  Well first off, being better does not indicate how MUCH better.  

1. Dalton averages just a measly 5 more combined yards than TT per game.
2. Dalton averages only .3 more TD's per game
3. Dalton averages a full turnover more per game than TT.
4. Dalton also has the benefit of playing 7 seasons as a starter and throwing to AJ Green his whole career along with other good weapons at WR.
5. Dalton also has had staff stability, while TT had 4 OC's in last 4 seasons with 3 different Head Coaches going back to Baltimore.
6. Dalton ONLY averages 30 yards more per game passing...BUT Dalton averages 5 more attempts per game than TT.  Considering TT averages 7 yards per ATTEMPT, then TT would actually average 5 more passing yards than Dalton and about 35 MORE total yards than Dalton. 
7. Dalton has only broken 4000 yards 3 times in his career despite being healthy most his entire career, being in a pass oriented offense with talented weapons around him including one of the 5 best WR's in the NFL his entire career.

So again, I dont know how anyone can say a guy who essentially averages around the same production is "no doubt" better while also turning the ball over a lot more.  Not to mention Dalton has been paid and costs a lot more too.

 

So YES, I have checked the stats.  Despite the advantages Dalton has had, he has done much more with it.  So NO on Dalton, go DRAFT our QB and trade Glenn for Picks to keep filling holes around this team behind a new prospect to develop for the future.

Edited January 12, 2018 by Alphadawg7

[reddogblitz]

9 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

I'm curious, though, how did Dalton screw up in the playoffs five years in a row when he only appeared in the playoffs in four years?

 

You're Right.  It was FOUR instead of FIVE.

 

In those 4 games he threw 1 TD and 6 interceptions.

 

In his last appearance he threw 0 TDs and 3 picks.

 

His first appearance he threw 0 TDs and 1 pick just like Hotrod did Sunday.

 

Real clutch guy.

Edited January 12, 2018 by reddogblitz