Shaq Lawson and Jordan Matthews to IR

[CommonCents]

1 minute ago, jmc12290 said:

 

It's weird.

 

Jordan Matthews was better before he became a Bills WR.

 

Marquise Goodwin was better after he left the Bills.

 

Robert Woods was better after he left the Bills.

 

Chris Hogan was better after he left the Bills.

 

Kelvin Benjamin was better before he became a Bills WR.

 

Anyone know if that has to do with the QB's these guys were playing with on different teams?  Is there a common thread anyone can see here?  Bueller?  Bueller?

 

Buffalo is the upside down for WRs. Dark, scary, lonely and a high probability of getting killed from attempting to catch some of these passes.

[4BillsintheBurgh]

3 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Hot take alert: Brandon Reilly will finish the season with more yards and TDs than Matthews. He will need to average about 70 a game and score twice. I have a feeling that he might be a player. 

So if Taylor plays you're calling for Reilly to get about 80% of the action? 

[BringBackOrton]

1 minute ago, ScottLaw said:

What's that got to do with the comparison between Matthews and Watkins? 

 

 

I didn't compare Matthews to Watkins.  I asked why Matthews was productive in 2016 and unproductive in 2017?

[ShakAttack]

17 minutes ago, jmc12290 said:

 

It's weird.

 

Jordan Matthews was better before he became a Bills WR.

 

Marquise Goodwin was better after he left the Bills.

 

Robert Woods was better after he left the Bills.

 

Chris Hogan was better after he left the Bills.

 

Kelvin Benjamin was better before he became a Bills WR.

 

Anyone know if that has to do with the QB's these guys were playing with on different teams?  Is there a common thread anyone can see here?  Bueller?  Bueller?

 

There you go.   

 

And I noticed Sammy isn't on that list, but he will be soon.

 

Everyone can enjoy making fun of his stats while you can because he's actually starting to find his role over there in LA..

 

Heck, I see that everyone has conveniently neglected to mention the fact that he has scored touchdowns in 4 of the past 5 games.

[BigDingus]

17 minutes ago, jmc12290 said:

 

It's weird.

 

Jordan Matthews was better before he became a Bills WR.

 

Marquise Goodwin was better after he left the Bills.

 

Robert Woods was better after he left the Bills.

 

Chris Hogan was better after he left the Bills.

 

Kelvin Benjamin was better before he became a Bills WR.

 

Anyone know if that has to do with the QB's these guys were playing with on different teams?  Is there a common thread anyone can see here?  Bueller?  Bueller?

 

Nailed it on the head again. 
 

42 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

 

Leads the teams with 17 YPC and 6 TD Receptions (4 TDs in the last 5 games). Has generated 27 first downs on his 31 receptions in only 51 targets all while drawing the opponents' best cover corner game every game often with Safety help over the top.  Meanwhile, let's take a comparative look at the Bills' Receiving Corps AKA Corpse.   

 

 

 

Interesting, Gurley has the same amount of receptions as McCoy, only he averages 11.7 yards per reception as opposed to 6.3, AND the Rams have their other top 2 leaders in receptions with 47 & 51 receptions respectively. We have 57 receptions to TE's (25%), 77 to RBs (35%), and 91 to WR's (40%)....In comparison, the Rams have 39 to TE's (16%), 53 to RBs (21%) and 155 to WR's (63%)... 

See what a good QB can do? We throw to RB's or TE's for 60% of our completions, whereas they only throw to their RB's & TE's for 37% of their completions. They are Tyrod's PRIMARY focus whereas good teams use them as secondary targets or outlet passes. Woods & Watkins have the benefit of a very good QB spreading the ball out, where our WR's have the benefit of being ignored most games. 

Even then, they are far from "dominant." If anything it shows we made a good move in getting rid of Watkins. He only had a year left, was going to demand big money, probably wanted to play elsewhere, was injured the past 2 seasons, and his production was limited. He averages 17.0yards a reception because he's his most useful in deep routes. Tyrod threw to him deep, now Goff is. He averaged 16.0 yards a reception with the Bills too.

[26CornerBlitz]

2 minutes ago, BigDingus said:

 

Nailed it on the head again. 
 

Interesting, Gurley has the same amount of receptions as McCoy, only he averages 11.7 yards per reception as opposed to 6.3, AND the Rams have their other top 2 leaders in receptions with 47 & 51 receptions respectively. We have 57 receptions to TE's (25%), 77 to RBs (35%), and 91 to WR's (40%)....In comparison, the Rams have 39 to TE's (16%), 53 to RBs (21%) and 155 to WR's (63%)... 

See what a good QB can do? We throw to RB's or TE's for 60% of our completions, whereas they only throw to their RB's & TE's for 37% of their completions. They are Tyrod's PRIMARY focus whereas good teams use them as secondary targets or outlet passes. Woods & Watkins have the benefit of a very good QB spreading the ball out, where our WR's have the benefit of being ignored most games. 

Even then, they are far from "dominant." If anything it shows we made a good move in getting rid of Watkins. He only had a year left, was going to demand big money, probably wanted to play elsewhere, was injured the past 2 seasons, and his production was limited. He averages 17.0yards a reception because he's his most useful in deep routes. Tyrod threw to him deep, now Goff is. He averaged 16.0 yards a reception with the Bills too.

 

That's attributable to a disparity in the level of talent at WR bewteen the respective teams as well as an OC in Sean Mcvay who knows how to design plays with sophiosticated route concepts to take advantage of matchups. 

[BigDingus]

38 minutes ago, BobBelcher said:

 

There you go.   

 

And I noticed Sammy isn't on that list, but he will be soon.

 

Everyone can enjoy making fun of his stats while you can because he's actually starting to find his role over there in LA..

 

Heck, I see that everyone has conveniently neglected to mention the fact that he has scored touchdowns in 4 of the past 5 games.

 

He's has had a couple of good streaks in the past... He's just not consistent, and he's definitely NOT dominant. He also wasn't worth getting bent out of shape over.

His rookie season he had a 7 game stretch averaging 5 receptions, 80 yards and had 5 total TDs. In 2015 he had a 6 game stretch where he averaged 6 receptions, 113 yards, and 1 TD. However, in 2016 he only had two games with 80 yards or more, while he averaged only 24.5 yards a game for the other 6. The guy is always "ready to break out" but then never does. He's good for a couple games a year to the point where you think "man, this guy really has talent!" only to disappear for games at a time.

He may have 4 TD's in 5 games, but that's to be expected. With 4 games left, he'll probably end up tying his record of 9 for the season if he plays well. He's still going to finish well under his average for receptions and yards, while having a better QB and playing in better weather. He's averaging 17 yards a reception, but that's only 1 yard higher than his regular 16.0 average. Sammy wasn't a big loss.

Edited December 6, 2017 by BigDingus

[Manther]

3 hours ago, Chris66 said:

Whaley was a very good talent evaluator. Not his fault hevwas given not hired 2 head coaches. Hard to buy the groceries when you you dont know what your making

Agreed 

[simool]

2 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Blah Blah Blah

 

 

That is one of the worst counter arguments I have ever had the pleasure of reading. Best receiver on the Rams? BFD

 

He is crap compared to the rest of the NFL.  http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=0&statisticCategory=RECEIVING&conference=null&season=2017&seasonType=REG&d-447263-s=RECEIVING_YARDS&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-n=1

 

And yes Buffalo's receivers are a level or two below crap, but hell how the hell are they supposed to get the ball?  This ain't bowling you know.

[nucci]

12 hours ago, WMDman said:

this should make JMatt easier to re-sign

He played his last game as a Bill

[26CornerBlitz]

6 hours ago, simool said:

 

That is one of the worst counter arguments I have ever had the pleasure of reading. Best receiver on the Rams? BFD

 

He is crap compared to the rest of the NFL.  http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=0&statisticCategory=RECEIVING&conference=null&season=2017&seasonType=REG&d-447263-s=RECEIVING_YARDS&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-n=1

 

And yes Buffalo's receivers are a level or two below crap, but hell how the hell are they supposed to get the ball?  This ain't bowling you know.

 

What you retorted with is actually crap.  The best WR on highest scoring team in the NFL is a BFD with him being a key component on that offense. 

[Coach Tuesday]

It's unbelievable around here.

 

Go back and look at the trade-day threads regarding Sammy and Matthews - so many folks around here were thrilled to see Watkins go, calling him soft and injury-prone.  Many of those same posters were referring to Jordan Matthews as a tough-as-nails "number one" receiver.

 

Where are those posters now?  Glad you asked - many of them are commenting in this thread...

[Royale with Cheese]

20 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

It's unbelievable around here.

 

Go back and look at the trade-day threads regarding Sammy and Matthews - so many folks around here were thrilled to see Watkins go, calling him soft and injury-prone.  Many of those same posters were referring to Jordan Matthews as a tough-as-nails "number one" receiver.

 

Where are those posters now?  Glad you asked - many of them are commenting in this thread...

 

We were also told Taylor was an average starting QB....

[BringBackOrton]

1 hour ago, Coach Tuesday said:

It's unbelievable around here.

 

Go back and look at the trade-day threads regarding Sammy and Matthews - so many folks around here were thrilled to see Watkins go, calling him soft and injury-prone.  Many of those same posters were referring to Jordan Matthews as a tough-as-nails "number one" receiver.

 

Where are those posters now?  Glad you asked - many of them are commenting in this thread...

This is true.  Several posters thought Matthews was actually better than Sammy.

 

Absolutely absurd take.  Dig out those topics dude.

[thebandit27]

Sammy is the same player in LA that he was here: absolutely dominant when he's targeted.

 

He's catching 61% of his targets and leads the team in YPR, YPT, and TDs despite having almost no offseason to learn the offense or get on the same page as the QB.

 

8 hours ago, simool said:

 

That is one of the worst counter arguments I have ever had the pleasure of reading. Best receiver on the Rams? BFD

 

He is crap compared to the rest of the NFL.  http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=0&statisticCategory=RECEIVING&conference=null&season=2017&seasonType=REG&d-447263-s=RECEIVING_YARDS&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-n=1

 

And yes Buffalo's receivers are a level or two below crap, but hell how the hell are they supposed to get the ball?  This ain't bowling you know.

 

Yeah, about the comparison to the rest of the NFL, well, context matters.

 

- Watkins ranks 4th in the NFL in yards/reception among qualified WRs (i.e. those that have a minimum of 1.875 catches per game)

- Watkins has 3 fewer receiving TDs than Antonio Brown and DeAndre Hopkins, despite having 90 fewer targets come his way

- Watkins' catch rate of 61% is nearly equal to Brown's (62%) and outpaces Hopkins' by 6.5%

- Watkins' yards/reception is 3.0 yards greater than either Hopkins or Brown, and his yards per target of 10.35 is significantly better than either player (Hopkins - 7.69, Brown - 9.13).  His yards/target number continues to be astronomical by the way--he easily leads the entire NFL in this category since coming into the league.  Combing through WR stats for 2017, he appears to be leading the NFL in this category again.

 

For further investigation, I refer you to Football Outsiders, where Watkins ranks 7th in the entire NFL in DYAR, and 2nd in the entire NFL in DVOA:

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/wr

 

All of which brings me back to the point that I always make about WRs: targets are, by a substantial margin, the number 1 factor in determining a receiver's productivity.  That Sammy produces at the clip that he does despite not receiving a Julio Jones or Antonio Brown-like target share is, frankly, astonishing.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

5 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

Sammy is the same player in LA that he was here: absolutely dominant when he's targeted.

 

He's catching 61% of his targets and leads the team in YPR, YPT, and TDs despite having almost no offseason to learn the offense or get on the same page as the QB.

 

 

Yeah, about the comparison to the rest of the NFL, well, context matters.

 

- Watkins ranks 4th in the NFL in yards/reception among qualified WRs (i.e. those that have a minimum of 1.875 catches per game)

- Watkins has 3 fewer receiving TDs than Antonio Brown and DeAndre Hopkins, despite having 90 fewer targets come his way

- Watkins' catch rate of 61% is nearly equal to Brown's (62%) and outpaces Hopkins' by 6.5%

- Watkins' yards/reception is 3.0 yards greater than either Hopkins or Brown, and his yards per target of 10.35 is significantly better than either player (Hopkins - 7.69, Brown - 9.13).  His yards/target number continues to be astronomical by the way--he easily leads the entire NFL in this category since coming into the league.  Combing through WR stats for 2017, he appears to be leading the NFL in this category again.

 

For further investigation, I refer you to Football Outsiders, where Watkins ranks 7th in the entire NFL in DYAR, and 2nd in the entire NFL in DVOA:

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/wr

 

All of which brings me back to the point that I always make about WRs: targets are, by a substantial margin, the number 1 factor in determining a receiver's productivity.  That Sammy produces at the clip that he does despite not receiving a Julio Jones or Antonio Brown-like target share is, frankly, astonishing.

less verbose:

 

Sammy Watkins was a set of $10000 rims on an 85 taurus.

 

[CountDorkula]

1 hour ago, Coach Tuesday said:

It's unbelievable around here.

 

Go back and look at the trade-day threads regarding Sammy and Matthews - so many folks around here were thrilled to see Watkins go, calling him soft and injury-prone.  Many of those same posters were referring to Jordan Matthews as a tough-as-nails "number one" receiver.

 

Where are those posters now?  Glad you asked - many of them are commenting in this thread...

I was not one of those.

 

I laughed and argued with everyone who said Matthews will be better because he doesn't get hurt.

 

Matthews career with the bills is over, he did nothing here, so congrats Beane, You got what you wanted, I think?

[thebandit27]

34 minutes ago, joesixpack said:

less verbose:

 

Sammy Watkins was a set of $10000 rims on an 85 taurus.

 

 

There are probably worse ways to summarize what I wrote, but I currently can't think of any

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 minute ago, thebandit27 said:

 

There are probably worse ways to summarize what I wrote, but I currently can't think of any

 

The crux of your overly verbose post was:

 

Quote

All of which brings me back to the point that I always make about WRs: targets are, by a substantial margin, the number 1 factor in determining a receiver's productivity. 

 

Which led to my response. With a QB who doesn't like to pass, having a WR is wasted.

 

Like $10,000 rims on an 85 taurus.

 

[Kirby Jackson]

3 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

There are probably worse ways to summarize what I wrote, but I currently can't think of any

It’s been maddening to watch Sammy. He has a lot of the same things happening in LA as here. He doesn’t get enough targets. He produces on par with all of the elites on a per target basis but for some reason doesn’t get the targets that they do.

[thebandit27]

Just now, joesixpack said:

 

The crux of your overly verbose post was:

 

 

Which led to my response. With a QB who doesn't like to pass, having a WR is wasted.

 

Like $10,000 rims on an 85 taurus.

 

 

Ah, I didn't pick up on what you were saying--my apologies.

[Kirby Jackson]

1 minute ago, joesixpack said:

 

The crux of your overly verbose post was:

 

 

Which led to my response. With a QB who doesn't like to pass, having a WR is wasted.

 

Like $10,000 rims on an 85 taurus.

 

Explain why it is happening with Goff?

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Explain why it is happening with Goff?

 

Honestly, I don't think he's as good as people think he is.

 

I think he's probably got a combination of attitude, work ethic and skill issues that keep QBs from trusting him. Would you legitimately pick him up over AJ Green, Julio Jones et al?

 

[Kirby Jackson]

10 minutes ago, joesixpack said:

 

Honestly, I don't think he's as good as people think he is.

 

I think he's probably got a combination of attitude, work ethic and skill issues that keep QBs from trusting him. Would you legitimately pick him up over AJ Green, Julio Jones et al?

 

No, but if I threw him the ball as often as they get thrown it would I expect the same production? Yes. It has been like that for a few years. His per target production is right there with the best in the league. He just doesn’t see the ball as often. 

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[GunnerBill]

I was shocked to read last night that Shaq's FOUR sacks this season lead the team.  That is depressing.  

[SoTier]

22 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

 

....we're in a completely different world as far as drafting players and the salaries of draftees with the Rook Cap.....the last two beneficiaries of no rook cap drafts were Bradford at $50 mil guaranteed and Stafford at $41 mil guaranteed if memory serves me...so with the rookie limitations on one hand and the cap continuing escalating on the other hand, why doesn't it all fit?....Overdorf has been the capologist since I believe 2008 with final say on contracts (not Whaley)....if he is the culprit, why did Pegula retain him?........

 

 

 

 

I have no idea who is the culprit in the Bills FO but unless the Bills figure out how to "afford" to retain the decent players they draft, they aren't EVER going to make the playoffs.  It's not like they're drafting busts; ex-Bills are scattered all over the league, many of them starters, some of them Pro Bowlers, most of them key pieces of playoff teams, including Super Bowl winners ... but they either weren't "good enough" for the Bills or they were "too good" for the Bills to afford to re-sign.  How can that be when the Bills are not paying for a franchise QB or a marquee DE or a super WR?  Aside from Dareus, Glenn, and Clay -- and maybe McCoy -- I don't believe any other of the Bills vets are making top money for their positions.  Taylor certainly isn't. 

 

The Bills couldn't afford to keep Hogan in 2016 or either Woods or Goodwin in 2017.  They sold the Watkins trade to many of the gullible on the assumption of "they wouldn't be able to afford to sign him" in 2018.  They couldn't afford to keep Gilmore or Gillislee or Zach Brown either.   How are they going to sign any veteran players above the veteran minimum if they have a QB who will be demanding $20+ million a year (likely $30+ by 2023)?  Hell, even high first round QBs like Winston and Mariota currently make nearly $7 million a year on rookie contracts.

 

 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

1 minute ago, SoTier said:

 

I have no idea who is the culprit in the Bills FO but unless the Bills figure out how to "afford" to retain the decent players they draft, they aren't EVER going to make the playoffs.  It's not like they're drafting busts; ex-Bills are scattered all over the league, many of them starters, some of them Pro Bowlers, most of them key pieces of playoff teams, including Super Bowl winners ... but they either weren't "good enough" for the Bills or they were "too good" for the Bills to afford to re-sign.  How can that be when the Bills are not paying for a franchise QB or a marquee DE or a super WR?  Aside from Dareus, Glenn, and Clay -- and maybe McCoy -- I don't believe any other of the Bills vets are making top money for their positions.  Taylor certainly isn't. 

 

The Bills couldn't afford to keep Hogan in 2016 or either Woods or Goodwin in 2017.  They sold the Watkins trade to many of the gullible on the assumption of "they wouldn't be able to afford to sign him" in 2018.  They couldn't afford to keep Gilmore or Gillislee or Zach Brown either.   How are they going to sign any veteran players above the veteran minimum if they have a QB who will be demanding $20+ million a year (likely $30+ by 2023)?  Hell, even high first round QBs like Winston and Mariota currently make nearly $7 million a year on rookie contracts.

 

 

 

 

...here's an interesting point to chew on as far as cap management......much "acclaim(BIG COUGH)" has been pointed towards Whaley as the failure.....and I am in NO MEANS defending Whaley....but read the 2008 press release below regarding Overdorf's promotion.....if cap management was and continues to be such an impediment for this club, why did Pegula keep him?.....TP could easily afford the "best in the land" if this is a major organizational stumbling block......what did I miss?.......Pegula obviously saw the light as far as Brandon and kicked him upstairs as a SOLE Business Administration guy WELL away from personnel, etc which he was grossly unqualified for...yet Overdorf remains.....

 

Bills promote Overdorf to senior VP in minor restructuring

• Associated Press
• Published: Jan. 31, 2008 at 11:34 a.m.
• Updated: July 26, 2012 at 08:17 p.m.

ORCHARD PARK, N.Y. -- Jim Overdorf was promoted to Buffalo Bills senior vice president of football administration, giving him control over contract negotiations and salary cap decisions.

 

The move announced Thursday was part of a minor front office restructuring that follows Russ Brandon's promotion to chief operating officer. Brandon's promotion came after the Bills elected not to fill the general manager's role after Marv Levy stepped down at the end of the seaso

 

[SoTier]

22 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

Jordan Matthews has 250 receptions, 2,995 yards, and 20 TD's in 4 seasons.  He was a 2nd round draft pick.

 

On a team that had a pass-first offense under supposed coaching genius Chip Kelly for 2 of those 4 years ... hell, that offense even made Nick Foles look like a top QB for a while, and Pederson runs a pass-first offense too.

 

On the Bills, Foles has only been able to play in 10 games with 25 catches for 284 yards and 1 TD.   If the Bills can let Hogan, Goodwin, and Woods walk and trade away Watson, why on earth would they want Matthews even if he is "cheap"?  Shell out $50 for a winter coat at Walmart rather than $200 for one at LL Bean and see which one keeps you warmer at 10 below.

[26CornerBlitz]

5 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

On a team that had a pass-first offense under supposed coaching genius Chip Kelly for 2 of those 4 years ... hell, that offense even made Nick Foles look like a top QB for a while, and Pederson runs a pass-first offense too.

 

On the Bills, Foles has only been able to play in 10 games with 25 catches for 284 yards and 1 TD.   If the Bills can let Hogan, Goodwin, and Woods walk and trade away Watson, why on earth would they want Matthews even if he is "cheap"?  Shell out $50 for a winter coat at Walmart rather than $200 for one at LL Bean and see which one keeps you warmer at 10 below.

 

Pederson's offense has almost the same run/pass ratio as Dennison's

 

 

[26CornerBlitz]

9 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

 

Kelvin Benjamin said in his lockerroom interview that Matthews needs surgery on his knee. 

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[dave mcbride]

On 12/6/2017 at 10:44 AM, GunnerBill said:

I was shocked to read last night that Shaq's FOUR sacks this season lead the team.  That is depressing.  

And a couple of those were flat out vulture sacks.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

7 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

And a couple of those were flat out vulture sacks.

 

Lawson may well be the worst pick of Doug Whaley's disastrous career as GM of the Bills.

 

[nucci]

2 hours ago, joesixpack said:

 

Lawson may well be the worst pick of Doug Whaley's disastrous career as GM of the Bills.

 

I believe Whaley drafted what Rex wanted

[billieve420]

1 minute ago, nucci said:

I believe Whaley drafted what Rex wanted

 

Defintely believe both Lawson and Ragland were Rex’s guys.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

On 12/6/2017 at 6:04 PM, SoTier said:

 

I have no idea who is the culprit in the Bills FO but unless the Bills figure out how to "afford" to retain the decent players they draft, they aren't EVER going to make the playoffs.  It's not like they're drafting busts; ex-Bills are scattered all over the league, many of them starters, some of them Pro Bowlers, most of them key pieces of playoff teams, including Super Bowl winners ... but they either weren't "good enough" for the Bills or they were "too good" for the Bills to afford to re-sign.  How can that be when the Bills are not paying for a franchise QB or a marquee DE or a super WR?  Aside from Dareus, Glenn, and Clay -- and maybe McCoy -- I don't believe any other of the Bills vets are making top money for their positions.  Taylor certainly isn't. 

 

The Bills couldn't afford to keep Hogan in 2016 or either Woods or Goodwin in 2017.  They sold the Watkins trade to many of the gullible on the assumption of "they wouldn't be able to afford to sign him" in 2018.  They couldn't afford to keep Gilmore or Gillislee or Zach Brown either.   How are they going to sign any veteran players above the veteran minimum if they have a QB who will be demanding $20+ million a year (likely $30+ by 2023)?  Hell, even high first round QBs like Winston and Mariota currently make nearly $7 million a year on rookie contracts.

 

 

 

Terrible contracts.  Clay, Dareus, Glenn are the main culprits.  I can go through each though. 

 

Hogan - Glenn was tagged at the time he signed his offer sheet so we had very limited space.  In 2016, we had dead money from Mario and Harvin.  We also had Aaron Williams who was getting paid fairly well in addition to the 4 you mention.  

 

Woods/Goodwin - Both were UFA's and were entitled to search elsewhere, I don't personally think goodwin was a big loss.  At the time they signed elsewhere we were more worried about watkins foot, and clay's knee.  Looked to me like they were planning to draft and get younger at the position.

 

Gilmore - Man corner in a largely zone scheme.  He also got paid the 2nd highest guarantee and the 6th highest payday of any corner in the NFL.  I don't think he's that good so... Looking at the bad contracts on the books, it doesn't seem smart to sign another.

Gillislee - RB2 Signed from scrap heap, got 5th round pick in return.  Isn't that how you're supposed to operate?  We had the highest paid starting RB in the NFL.  Signing Gillislee's offer sheet would have made him highest paid backup RB in the NFL.  If we put a 2nd round tender on him we'd have paid him about 3 million to be a backup, and we had already matched Groy's offer sheet.  

 

Z. Brown - Sat in free agency forever and never signed anywhere.  Signed late in free agency, so it isn't as if we weren't given a chance.  Not sure we saw him as a fit as a WLB in the 4-3, so I don't know if this one was even an issue.  

 

Dareus is now off the books starting in 2019, and i think they'll honestly try and move Glenn before the 2018 season.  Clay is 9 million either way in 2018 so he's likely to stay unless we get an above market offer.  

Edited December 15, 2017 by dneveu

[3rdand12]

6 minutes ago, nucci said:

I believe Whaley drafted what Rex wanted

which lays a bit of blame on Whaley for lack of his own vision ?

 

[nucci]

8 hours ago, 3rdand12 said:

which lays a bit of blame on Whaley for lack of his own vision ?

 

Yes it does but just like the "rift" thread....a GM gets and keeps players the coach wants

[vincec]

10 hours ago, billieve420 said:

 

Defintely believe both Lawson and Ragland were Rex’s guys.

They were drafted to play in a different scheme. Ragland is doing very well now that he’s in KC playing something similar to what he was drafted for. Lawson will probably be doing the same soon. It’s all part of the fun of changing coaches and schemes every two years.