GG Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 2 hours ago, Not at the table Karlos said: How in the hell does anyone thing this is a cheap shot? Not even close. Perfect block. Cheap shot... lmfao what a joke. Great block juju. How was it illegal? They were facing each other no helmet to helmet he hit him square in the chest. Legal hit. Great job by the rookie the blocker is moving toward his own end line; and he approaches the opponent from behind or from the side. Note: If the near shoulder of the blocker contacts the front of his opponent’s body, the “peel back” block is legal. Player was moving towards sidelines not endlines. He hit him in the numbers. Legal hit Juju put his head down and the full impact was from the helmet, not from the shoulder pad. His subsequent straddle left no doubt about his intent. Illegal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 54 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Um, no Worse? What an idiotic thing to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 Dont have a problem with the hit.....standing over top of him....really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 4 minutes ago, Mark Vader said: Worse? What an idiotic thing to say. Benoit screwed up there and has other national analysts calling him out 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 1 minute ago, Mark Vader said: Worse? What an idiotic thing to say. Gronk is getting off way too easy by the national media. Comparing dirty hitsthat occur in the field of play vs. one where a 6'6 275 pound titan unsnaps his helmet and then side stepping to generate max force to slam the guy in the head with a metal brace. delete your twitter account Benoit. You can't adult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 6 minutes ago, John from Hemet said: Dont have a problem with the hit.....standing over top of him....really? I love it. It's Heinz Ward over Ed Reed all over again Burfict made his own bed to sleep in with cheap shots vs AB last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: Um, no Holy crap is this guy dumb. For a bunch of reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 13 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Benoit screwed up there and has other national analysts calling him out What a crock of **** by Mike Freeman. I hope trolls go out full force on this snowflake 16 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Benoit screwed up there and has other national analysts calling him out Meant to quote this one but whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 16 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Benoit screwed up there and has other national analysts calling him out Meh, this is nothing. He's calling him out for using the word thuggish. He doesn't say anything about Benoit's stupid comment on which hit is worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 That was a cheap shot. So bad. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 7 minutes ago, Mark Vader said: Meh, this is nothing. He's calling him out for using the word thuggish. He doesn't say anything about Benoit's stupid comment on which hit is worse. I took it to mean that he used it for Juju but not Gronk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 11 hours ago, Fadingpain said: Hot on the heels of the Gronk incident came this block/taunt/ugly situation in the MNF game, Bengals vs. Steelers. Couldn't believe how LOUD the hit was in real time. They spent a lot of time talking about this during the game and after. Burfict was KO'd but apparently was able to walk off a stretcher into the locker room on his own power. Ugly look for the game. For the Record that is OLD Football and completely clean in OLD Football, Ward used to make a living with these and I as a LBer got lit up like this a time or two when I would not keep my head on a swivel but in today's football this is Illegal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 Meh....caught him a bit with his helmet. Big hit. Wasn't "knocked out". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 52 minutes ago, GG said: Juju put his head down and the full impact was from the helmet, not from the shoulder pad. His subsequent straddle left no doubt about his intent. Illegal. Isn't every players intent to hit the other guy hard? 2 hours ago, keepthefaith said: Had he not stood over him and taunted him it would have been a more respected play. That, the taunting, will probably cost him a fine or a suspension. The taunting absolutely should have been flagged. The hit from everything I've seen, video and rules is legal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 (edited) I actually like how a rookie on this team knew the history between his team (and teammates: Antonio Brown) and Burfict, and picked his moment in the play of the game. I know the Steelers locker room has to like this guy. (I believe it was legal, but don't profess to know the rules these days) But I said on another thread, I don't want to see self policing ruining the X's and O's of this game. That just put a target on all Steelers receivers going through the middle in a tight game. Let Burfict suspend himself out of this league. Edited December 5, 2017 by PetermanThrew5Picks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 10 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: For the Record that is OLD Football and completely clean in OLD Football, Ward used to make a living with these and I as a LBer got lit up like this a time or two when I would not keep my head on a swivel but in today's football this is Illegal I don't know why this concept is difficult for some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helpmenow Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 2 hours ago, kdiggz said: Whaley wanted to build a PIttsburgh team here. Didn't happen. Our players are soft There isn’t one player on the bills who is tough as any player on the Steelers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 16 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I took it to mean that he used it for Juju but not Gronk Yeah I get what he's saying. Still doesn't address the issue on which hit was worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
folz Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 The taunting was stupid and deserves a flag and a fine, but I still cannot figure out how that hit is illegal. It was not helmet to helmet, he led with his shoulder. Tons of plays have incidental helmet to helmet contact, watch any running play that goes up the gut of the D. But 19 did not lead or spear with his head. It is not an illegal peel back or crack back as he did not hit him from the side or back or below the waist. For those calling it illegal, please point out the rule that states such. Totally legal play in my mind...and comparing it to the Gronk hit is ridiculous. The Gronk hit wasn't a legal hit and it wasn't during a play. It's closer to the Landry hit on A. Williams last year, but JuJu didn't launch off his feet like Landry did and Landry's angle was more from the side (and if I remember Landry didn't even get a penalty for his hit). Why did that hit not get any national attention, but this is a dirty, cheap shot as bad as what Gronk did? There is such a double-standard in the NFL. A little karma for Burfict....really hope I don't hear him complain about that hit, with the s%#! he's pulled in this league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 1 minute ago, folz said: The taunting was stupid and deserves a flag and a fine, but I still cannot figure out how that hit is illegal. It was not helmet to helmet, he led with his shoulder. Tons of plays have incidental helmet to helmet contact, watch any running play that goes up the gut of the D. But 19 did not lead or spear with his head. It is not an illegal peel back or crack back as he did not hit him from the side or back or below the waist. For those calling it illegal, please point out the rule that states such. Totally legal play in my mind...and comparing it to the Gronk hit is ridiculous. The Gronk hit wasn't a legal hit and it wasn't during a play. It's closer to the Landry hit on A. Williams last year, but JuJu didn't launch off his feet like Landry did and Landry's angle was more from the side (and if I remember Landry didn't even get a penalty for his hit). Why did that hit not get any national attention, but this is a dirty, cheap shot as bad as what Gronk did? There is such a double-standard in the NFL. A little karma for Burfict....really hope I don't hear him complain about that hit, with the s%#! he's pulled in this league. Illegal since 2013. https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/3/19/4125046/nfl-rule-changes-peel-back-block Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 (edited) 4 minutes ago, folz said: The taunting was stupid and deserves a flag and a fine, but I still cannot figure out how that hit is illegal. It was not helmet to helmet, he led with his shoulder. Tons of plays have incidental helmet to helmet contact, watch any running play that goes up the gut of the D. But 19 did not lead or spear with his head. It is not an illegal peel back or crack back as he did not hit him from the side or back or below the waist. For those calling it illegal, please point out the rule that states such. Totally legal play in my mind...and comparing it to the Gronk hit is ridiculous. The Gronk hit wasn't a legal hit and it wasn't during a play. It's closer to the Landry hit on A. Williams last year, but JuJu didn't launch off his feet like Landry did and Landry's angle was more from the side (and if I remember Landry didn't even get a penalty for his hit). Why did that hit not get any national attention, but this is a dirty, cheap shot as bad as what Gronk did? There is such a double-standard in the NFL. A little karma for Burfict....really hope I don't hear him complain about that hit, with the s%#! he's pulled in this league. Because you don't know the rules. Edited December 5, 2017 by 26CornerBlitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 (edited) 2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Because you don't know the rules. Correct been illegal since 2013 "if a player who is aligned in the tackle box when the ball is snapped moves to a position outside the box, he cannot initiate contact on the side and below the waist against an opponent if (a) the blocker is moving toward his own end line; and (be) he approached the opponent from behind or the side." Contains the not "if the near shoulder of the blocker contacts the front of the opponent's body the 'peel back' block is legal So yes As many have stated this was an illegal block in todays NFL Edited December 5, 2017 by MAJBobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 (edited) 6 hours ago, simpleman said: I don't know what video you saw. but the video on the above link clearly shows an intentional uppercut helmet to helmet hit when they show the slow mo version of it. (54-55 sec on video) Absolutely correct. The play was designed for JuJu to get the crack back block on Burflict. The helmet to helmet was intentional and malicious. The intent was to injure Burflict in retaliation for several cheap shots on Steelers players, including a recent one on Antonio Brown. I’m sure JuJu let Burflict know exactly what the hit was for. This was the Steelers not only paying back a cheap shot, it was them sending a message to other teams that this is how they handle their business. It’s why some teams get away with cheap spotting opponents and some don’t. It is why the Bills need to retaliate against Gronk (or another star Pats player coughBradycough) in a couple weeks. If the league isn’t going to sufficiently police this crap - and they sure didn’t with Gronk - then the players have to. The alternative is to accept our role as the bullied little kid. That should be unacceptable at every level of a team with any pride. Edited December 5, 2017 by BarleyNY 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 3 hours ago, Not at the table Karlos said: How in the hell does anyone thing this is a cheap shot? Not even close. Perfect block. Cheap shot... lmfao what a joke. Great block juju. How was it illegal? They were facing each other no helmet to helmet he hit him square in the chest. Legal hit. Great job by the rookie the blocker is moving toward his own end line; and he approaches the opponent from behind or from the side. Note: If the near shoulder of the blocker contacts the front of his opponent’s body, the “peel back” block is legal. Player was moving towards sidelines not endlines. He hit him in the numbers. Legal hit Wrong Ju Ju was moving back from the 50 when he initiated contact on the side, this was a very easy recognized Illegal Peel Back Block Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
folz Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 5 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Illegal since 2013. https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/3/19/4125046/nfl-rule-changes-peel-back-block 3 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Because you don't know the rules. Sorry, but I still think you guys are wrong...what am I missing? Here is the wording from the actual article that you posted MAJBobby (and apparently the wording in the NFL rule book): "If a player who is aligned in the tackle box when the ball is snapped moves to a position outside the box, he cannot initiate contact on the side and below the waist against an opponent if: (a) the blocker is moving toward his own end line; and (b) he approached the opponent from behind or from the side." The rule contains the following note: "If the near shoulder of the blocker contacts the front of his opponent's body, the ‘peel back' block is legal." JuJu was not aligned in the tackle box, was not moving toward his own end line, and he hit him from the front, not from the side or below the waist. So, the rule you quoted can not be the rule applied for this play. If there is another rule that speaks to this play, I'd be glad to see it. And again, why was Jarvis landry's hit on A. Williams last year legal? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 1 minute ago, folz said: Sorry, but I still think you guys are wrong...what am I missing? Here is the wording from the actual article that you posted MAJBobby (and apparently the wording in the NFL rule book): "If a player who is aligned in the tackle box when the ball is snapped moves to a position outside the box, he cannot initiate contact on the side and below the waist against an opponent if: (a) the blocker is moving toward his own end line; and (b) he approached the opponent from behind or from the side." The rule contains the following note: "If the near shoulder of the blocker contacts the front of his opponent's body, the ‘peel back' block is legal." JuJu was not aligned in the tackle box, was not moving toward his own end line, and he hit him from the front, not from the side or below the waist. So, the rule you quoted can not be the rule applied for this play. If there is another rule that speaks to this play, I'd be glad to see it. And again, why was Jarvis landry's hit on A. Williams last year legal? You simply cannot hit high from the blindside like that when the defender is in a defenseless posture as Burfict was. Thus the flag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 (edited) 3 minutes ago, folz said: Sorry, but I still think you guys are wrong...what am I missing? Here is the wording from the actual article that you posted MAJBobby (and apparently the wording in the NFL rule book): "If a player who is aligned in the tackle box when the ball is snapped moves to a position outside the box, he cannot initiate contact on the side and below the waist against an opponent if: (a) the blocker is moving toward his own end line; and (b) he approached the opponent from behind or from the side." The rule contains the following note: "If the near shoulder of the blocker contacts the front of his opponent's body, the ‘peel back' block is legal." JuJu was not aligned in the tackle box, was not moving toward his own end line, and he hit him from the front, not from the side or below the waist. So, the rule you quoted can not be the rule applied for this play. If there is another rule that speaks to this play, I'd be glad to see it. And again, why was Jarvis landry's hit on A. Williams last year legal? He was Moving toward his own line (he was at the 50 hit made at the 46 ish (had to come to his OWN end line). He did approach the player from behind and side. The only thing in question was where the tackle box was designated (as he was the inside guy in the formation) And Landrys hit wasn't legal actually but they missed the call IMO Edited December 5, 2017 by MAJBobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBuff423 Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 Look, I am not a proponent of dirty hits or trying to injure a player, regardless of whether it's "legal" or not....but if there was ever a player due for some Karma in the pain department, Burfict is the prime candidate given his history since coming into the league... As for being like the Gronk fiasco, hit....to me, not even close....main reason being, both players were knowingly, actively engaged in the play while it was occurring....Tre was down, play was over, whistle blown, out of bounds...about as egregious as it gets IMHO.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 14 minutes ago, BarleyNY said: Absolutely correct. The play was designed for JuJu to get the crack back block on Burflict. The helmet to helmet was intentional and malicious. The intent was to injure Burflict in retaliation for several cheap shots on Steelers players, including a recent one on Antonio Brown. I’m sure JuJu let Burflict know exactly what the hit was for. This was the Steelers not only paying back a cheap shot, it was them sending a message to other teams that this is how they handle their business. It’s why some teams get away with cheap spotting opponents and some don’t. It is why the Bills need to retaliate against Gronk (or another star Pats player coughBradycough) in a couple weeks. If the league isn’t going to sufficiently police this crap - and they sure didn’t with Gronk - then the players have to. The alternative is to accept our role as the bullied little kid. That should be unacceptable at every level of a team with any pride. I'm not sure that play was designed that way at all, I think that was a checkdown to Bell and the block was just a coincidence. Tomlin didn't look like that was the intended result afterwards. 14 minutes ago, folz said: Sorry, but I still think you guys are wrong...what am I missing? Here is the wording from the actual article that you posted MAJBobby (and apparently the wording in the NFL rule book): "If a player who is aligned in the tackle box when the ball is snapped moves to a position outside the box, he cannot initiate contact on the side and below the waist against an opponent if: (a) the blocker is moving toward his own end line; and (b) he approached the opponent from behind or from the side." The rule contains the following note: "If the near shoulder of the blocker contacts the front of his opponent's body, the ‘peel back' block is legal." JuJu was not aligned in the tackle box, was not moving toward his own end line, and he hit him from the front, not from the side or below the waist. So, the rule you quoted can not be the rule applied for this play. If there is another rule that speaks to this play, I'd be glad to see it. And again, why was Jarvis landry's hit on A. Williams last year legal? If this is the right rule, you're correct. But I don't think it is, because this one deals specifically with initiating contact 'on the side and below the waist', which isn't relevant to this block. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 48 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Meh....caught him a bit with his helmet. Big hit. Wasn't "knocked out". Wind knocked out, 15 yards! Blah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 I'd also like to comment on how VASTLY DIFFERENT the reaction from the announcers to Smith-Schuster's block was compared to Romo and Nance's reaction to Gronkowski's hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2003Contenders Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 Bills players, take note. Someone needs to do this to Gronk in a few weeks... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 Also here are the other rule violations. Defenseless Player: "a person that receives a "blindside block" when the path of the offensive player is toward or parallel to his own end line" (Burfict Defenseless based on Ju Ju's Path) That is exactly what Ju Ju did as well and is an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty as called. https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/nfl-video-rulebook/defenseless-player/ 8 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: I'm not sure that play was designed that way at all, I think that was a checkdown to Bell and the block was just a coincidence. Tomlin didn't look like that was the intended result afterwards. If this is the right rule, you're correct. But I don't think it is, because this one deals specifically with initiating contact 'on the side and below the waist', which isn't relevant to this block. He is not. rule No 9 violation https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/nfl-video-rulebook/defenseless-player/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 5 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Also here are the other rule violations. Defenseless Player: "a person that receives a "blindside block" when the path of the offensive player is toward or parallel to his own end line" (Burfict Defenseless based on Ju Ju's Path) That is exactly what Ju Ju did as well and is an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty as called. https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/nfl-video-rulebook/defenseless-player/ He is not. rule No 9 violation https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/nfl-video-rulebook/defenseless-player/ Yeah, wrong rule. Not crackback, defenseless player. You are right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 Wow. Same as Gronk! F U NFL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 19 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: I'm not sure that play was designed that way at all, I think that was a checkdown to Bell and the block was just a coincidence. Tomlin didn't look like that was the intended result afterwards. I disagree. He could’ve thrown to Brown. They ran that play exactly how they wanted and got the desired result. JuJu did his job and then let Burdlict know exactly what it was all about. This is how the Steelers have been operating for decades. They’re no strangers to cheap shots. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 4 hours ago, Commonsense said: I didn't see it live but from watching the replay it doesn't look like much of a cheap shot. Burfict was close enough to the runner that he should be blocked, JUJU led with the shoulder. Just because it was an aggresive hit now it's a penalty? This wasn't a Warren Sapp type of peel back block. I think Shazier leading with his head and then the vicious hit on Mixon were more noteworthy. Those guys are tackling with intent to injure. Which is how Gronkowski should be treated in two weeks. Hunt his head. Send him out in an ambulance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 Just now, joesixpack said: Which is how Gronkowski should be treated in two weeks. Hunt his head. Send him out in an ambulance. Wont be this is the lovable Bills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Wow. Same as Gronk! F U NFL Yeah...I can find highlight films with blocks like JuJu's being called "great." You yourself probably cheered when Nate Clements did that to Mr. Bundchen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 1 minute ago, joesixpack said: Which is how Gronkowski should be treated in two weeks. Hunt his head. Send him out in an ambulance. It's going to be a bit weird yelling for blood on Xmas eve but I'm sure I won't be alone in doing it. I don't like seeing someone get hurt but that was way over the top for me. It's compounded by the local media, Zolak in particular, still playing it up and still saying that it's on Buffalo and the refs. Pretty embarrassing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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