Kirby Jackson Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 14 hours ago, SaviorPeterman said: Not keeping this guy raises serious red flags in terms of McD/Beane's ability to evaluate players. Because no way we couldn't find room for this guy on the 53 man roster considering how bad the defense has been of late. This It also speaks to the comp pick formula. They could have added Lee to the active roster cut Davis, Holmes and Vlad and got a 3rd. That was a major screw up IMO. The Bills could have played Lee, Groy and Reilly and got a 3rd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 (edited) This story of the game was a team who doesn’t have a QB. Eric Lee should be the least of our concerns. Everyone gets their chance to make plays when they are on a great team. Lee was the beneficiary of one of the worst red zone passes of all time. Lets not get carried away. 27 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: This It also speaks to the comp pick formula. They could have added Lee to the active roster cut Davis, Holmes and Vlad and got a 3rd. That was a major screw up IMO. The Bills could have played Lee, Groy and Reilly and got a 3rd. I’m not extremely stressed about losing Lee, but losing a comp pick to keep those guys was a terrible move. The Ducasse phenomenon is incredible. Edited December 4, 2017 by DriveFor1Outta5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodman19 Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 One game doesn't make a career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 6 minutes ago, DriveFor1Outta5 said: This story of the game was a team who doesn’t have a QB. Eric Lee should be the least of our concerns. Everyone gets their chance to make plays when they are on a great team. Lee was the beneficiary of one of the worst red zone passes of all time. Lets not get carried away. I’m not extremely stressed about losing Lee, but losing a comp pick to keep those guys was a terrible move. The Ducasse phenomenon is incredible. It’s just an example of bad franchise management. I’m not sure that Lee will be good (although he looked it today) but he certainly isn’t a downgrade. Ducasse is awful and Holmes is a JAG. In a rebuilding situation you could have gotten a look at some young guys and acquired a 3rd. I would probably add DiMarco to that list as well and add the 4th. None of those guys had to be protected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 5 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: It’s just an example of bad franchise management. I’m not sure that Lee will be good (although he looked it today) but he certainly isn’t a downgrade. Ducasse is awful and Holmes is a JAG. In a rebuilding situation you could have gotten a look at some young guys and acquired a 3rd. I would probably add DiMarco to that list as well and add the 4th. None of those guys had to be protected. There is where “the process” lost me. It began with the appearance that it was all about accumulating draft choices. We traded away several big names with the idea of building in the draft. Then the regime begins to do the opposite. We give up a comp pick for average players, and trade away several picks for Benjamin. I don’t have to agree with everything a regime does to appreciate their thought process. However, I become completely lost when there is no consistency to a plan. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 1 minute ago, DriveFor1Outta5 said: There is where “the process” lost me. It began with the appearance that it was all about accumulating draft choices. We traded away several big names with the idea of building in the draft. Then the regime begins to do the opposite. We give up a comp pick for average players, and trade away several picks for Benjamin. I don’t have to agree with everything a regime does to appreciate their thought process. However, I become completely lost when there is no consistency to a plan. Correct. "We're going to try to break the playoff drought WHILE rebuilding" has never made sense. Losing a guy like Lee while also losing that 3rd rounder is just a symptom of the incoherent strategy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 1 minute ago, DriveFor1Outta5 said: There is where “the process” lost me. It began with the appearance that it was all about accumulating draft choices. We traded away several big names with the idea of building in the draft. Then the regime begins to do the opposite. We give up a comp pick for average players, and trade away several picks for Benjamin. I don’t have to agree with everything a regime does to appreciate their thought process. However, I become completely lost when there is no consistency to a plan. I’ve said it before but it’s the old Rex Ryan “half-pregnant.” I don’t believe that you can “win now with an eye towards the future.” I think that those things work against each other. You have to do one or the other and it feels like the Bills did a little of both. You should play all young guys, take your lumps and bottom out while identifying some of those young guys as contributors moving forward (ironically Lee might fit here). The other option is to do what you can to win now (ie keep Watkins, Dareus, etc). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 14 hours ago, ScottLaw said: Bills are hopeless. At least they have a decent QB right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 I'm guessing that people are convinced that Bills didn't attempt to retain Lee? AFAIK, there's no automatic call up from practice squad anymore for a team to protect the player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 The only thing Eric Lee has proved is that he can catch a football if you throw it to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 On 12/4/2017 at 8:31 AM, ScottLaw said: The Bills could've easily been a playoff team this season WHILE REBUILDING had they merely kept their young, talented players and built off an offensive system that suited its players while letting McDermott do what he does with the defense. They turned a competent offense into a bad one. The opposite of what Rex Ryan did to the defense. 100% correct assessment...Not sure why it's lost on so many Bills fans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachT Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 On 03/12/2017 at 5:36 PM, SaviorPeterman said: Exactly. And ironically the only guy he may have whiffed on that he took from us is Gillesslie who we certainly needed over the likes of Tolbert this year. But honestly I think it's simply a case of MG not being better than Burkheart and Lewis. Just sick and tired of the bills being a farm league for the Pats and the rest of the NFL. The Pats love using big backs late in the year. Watch MG get more time and snaps in the coming weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freeagentqb Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 On 12/4/2017 at 8:07 AM, DriveFor1Outta5 said: There is where “the process” lost me. It began with the appearance that it was all about accumulating draft choices. We traded away several big names with the idea of building in the draft. Then the regime begins to do the opposite. We give up a comp pick for average players, and trade away several picks for Benjamin. I don’t have to agree with everything a regime does to appreciate their thought process. However, I become completely lost when there is no consistency to a plan. I believe it's the same process Tim Murray used with the Sabres Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racecitybills Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 Was that not Eric Lee driven 15 yards downfield by Dawkins on the first drive of the day? he had some nice plays but there is a reason he keeps getting on practice squads Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 On 12/3/2017 at 2:16 PM, 26CornerBlitz said: They should have IRed or cut Tolbert to keep him. Why do all these guys gravitate and succeed in NE. Is this organization that dysfunctional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 1 minute ago, LABILLBACKER said: Why do all these guys gravitate and succeed in NE. Is this organization that dysfunctional. it's the sign of a very good coaching staff in stable schemes with the ability to put players in situations that suit ther strengths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted December 7, 2017 Author Share Posted December 7, 2017 (edited) 16 minutes ago, racecitybills said: Was that not Eric Lee driven 15 yards downfield by Dawkins on the first drive of the day? he had some nice plays but there is a reason he keeps getting on practice squads 1.5 sacks, 3 QB hits, 1 pass breakup and a INT is far from nice plays. The Bills straight up screwed up. https://nesn.com/2017/12/patriots-president-takes-jab-at-bills-after-eric-lee-torments-old-team/ Edited December 7, 2017 by Real McCoy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 2 minutes ago, Real McCoy said: 1.5 sacks, 3 QB hits, 1 pass breakup and a INT is far from nice plays. The Bills straight up screwed up. https://nesn.com/2017/12/patriots-president-takes-jab-at-bills-after-eric-lee-torments-old-team/ ...on PS....activated to cover for Shaq......released and re-signed to PS....and now scooped up by BB......who is guarding the hen house???............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 Brian Gaine and Brandon Beane have to take the heat for this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 1 hour ago, Real McCoy said: 1.5 sacks, 3 QB hits, 1 pass breakup and a INT is far from nice plays. The Bills straight up screwed up. https://nesn.com/2017/12/patriots-president-takes-jab-at-bills-after-eric-lee-torments-old-team/ His success had more to do with his familiarity with our offense than his athletic ability. It's easy to look like a stud when the opposing QB throws the ball right to you. He was picked up 12 days prior to the game -- not coincidentally that's 3 days outside the minimum 9-day signing window for upcoming opponents. He did a fantastic job scouting for them. There's no doubt the Bills knew this, hence the change in offensive scheme that featured pseudo-wildcat formations with Webb. Then, in an attempt to inject some interest into an otherwise lopsided game, Romo had some fun with it and triggered half the Bills' fan base into their familiar Chicken Little act. You might want to pump the brakes on that. Tantrum Tuesdays around here are always entertaining though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 1 hour ago, Real McCoy said: 1.5 sacks, 3 QB hits, 1 pass breakup and a INT is far from nice plays. The Bills straight up screwed up. https://nesn.com/2017/12/patriots-president-takes-jab-at-bills-after-eric-lee-torments-old-team/ The Bills WRs are bad and get no separation. The INT was the worst decision ever made by Taylor, threw it right to him. The OL has issues. Taylor holds the ball forever . It would have been embarrassing for Lee if he had dropped that pick. I doubt the Bills let a HOFer get away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 4 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: The Bills WRs are bad and get no separation. The INT was the worst decision ever made by Taylor, threw it right to him. The OL has issues. Taylor holds the ball forever . It would have been embarrassing for Lee if he had dropped that pick. I doubt the Bills let a HOFer get away. He had a nice game in his debut against MIA. We'll see whether he levels off or sustains his good play over time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 (edited) On 12/6/2017 at 6:22 PM, racecitybills said: Was that not Eric Lee driven 15 yards downfield by Dawkins on the first drive of the day? he had some nice plays but there is a reason he keeps getting on practice squads Patriots org seems to think he's a big improvement. I threw up in my mouth a bit reading this. But we'll see as the season goes.https://www.patspulpit.com/2017/12/8/16734248/film-review-in-just-3-short-weeks-with-the-patriots-pass-rusher-eric-lee-is-ready-for-prime-time On 12/3/2017 at 4:16 PM, SaviorPeterman said: Not keeping this guy raises serious red flags in terms of McD/Beane's ability to evaluate players. Because no way we couldn't find room for this guy on the 53 man roster considering how bad the defense has been of late. McDermott/Beane have let walk/traded a number of players who are having success on other teams. *mumble* *mumble* scheme fit *mumble* process. Edited December 10, 2017 by Hapless Bills Fan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 On 12/3/2017 at 5:51 PM, LABILLBACKER said: " Wish we could have kept him" should be the motto of the Buffalo Bills. We're smart enough to acquire good players and dumb enough to let them go. If I was Belichick I'd go after Brandon Reilly. Give it time...Reilly will be a Pat soon enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 On 12/3/2017 at 5:41 PM, SaviorPeterman said: Yes but he shouldn't have stayed there and certainly should not have been released so we didn't even get the right to keep him if the Pats tried to sign him. Watch this guy go on to be a perennial probowler because it's simply the Buffalo Bills way. If they are so great why didn't they have somebody better on their practice squad then Lee? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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westerndecline Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 On 12/6/2017 at 7:06 PM, Boatdrinks said: 100% correct assessment...Not sure why it's lost on so many Bills fans It's not lost on Bills fans we were never going to win a champion with that we were never going to win a championship with that style of offense or Tyrod Taylor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 Letting talented players get away from us for nothing (or close to nothing) is the only part I'm concerned about with McBeane & Co. No spot on this roster for Ragland? Nothing for Lee? Dareus for a 6th? It's just amazing how apparent defensive-minded people like McDermott & Frazier don't see the talent & importance of these guys. At least we got a good draft pick for Darby, but the others? Man it's weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 I watched him for a few games after the Bills game and I wasn't impressed. He looks super stiff out there. I felt better about losing him after honing in on him a few games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 42 minutes ago, PIZ said: I watched him for a few games after the Bills game and I wasn't impressed. He looks super stiff out there. I felt better about losing him after honing in on him a few games. Yeah... He's made a couple splash plays but isn't as good as some have made him out to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon in Pasadena Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Quote The interception came at the hands of Tyrod Taylor and a pass that went softly right to Lee. It was either one of Taylor's worst passes in his career or he looked up, saw someone he recognized, and pulled the trigger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Quint Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 On 12/6/2017 at 6:56 PM, QCity said: The only thing Eric Lee has proved is that he can catch a football if you throw it to him. That's still a few steps ahead of Zay Jones and his development. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakin Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 (edited) Eric Lee is clearly the second coming of Cornelius Bennett wrapped in Bruce Smith. Mike Gillislee is also Barry Sanders. And Scott Chandler is Kellen Winslow etc... Edited December 22, 2017 by Bakin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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