A Few Thoughts About the Falcons Game

[Virgil]

Wow. Just wow. What an amazing game that felt like it would turn into a typical Bills loss for the past 17 years. It's hard to not Billieve right as no one had us 3-1 to start the season. I'm going to keep the hype train going and keep all the negatives to one point. Let's get this party started!!!

 

1 - Officiating - How many times do we come out on the winning side of 50/50 challenges? I know a lot of people want to point to this as the main reason we won, but I have a different opinion. There were three reviews that had a major impact and I think the Refs only messed up one of them, which went against us. For the INT and the Fumble recover, I'm not saying that they were 100% correct calls on the field, but I don't see how you could have overturned either of them. With the fumble, the ball definitely moved before Ryan's arm pushed it forward. The question is, what's the definition of control before a pass? With all of our rules around possession on a catch or fumble, I can see how there wasn't 100% evidence to overturn the call on the field.

 

On the INT by Hyde, I think we got lucky with player positioning and camera angles. It definitely looked like the ball hit the ground with Hyde's hands on it, but you can't get a clear view of whether or not the ball moved. Again, I don't see how you can overturn the call on the field from the replay.

 

Now the Freeman catch is a different story. While I don't agree with the rules on what a catch is after the infamous Dez play, you can clearly see where the ball moves and possession is not owned all the way through the catch. I'm not complaining about the refs or the game overall, but I think an argument can be made that calls went both ways.

 

2 - Shady - It was hard not writing about Shady the past two weeks. Seeing him with the slightest bit of space and gaining those extra yards just makes me appreciate what we have in him and what he can do if he stays healthy. He's holding that wrist every week it seems and I feel like it's only a matter of time. Besides that, he found a way to fall forward just enough times for first downs and really drive it home on that 9+ minute drive. I would have loved to see him in there more on first downs vs Tolbert, but eh.

 

Also, did you hear about his press conference when he blasted the reporters for not giving him a chance, but he would still let them interview the winners? Got to love that man.

 

3 - Hyde - This is my first time mentioning him in these reviews and man did he earn it. The man was possessed out there and just controlled this game. Him and Poyer might be the best backfield tandem I've seen in a very long time. They are both money will spend and a huge part of our success. I'm actually looking forward to seeing him cover Gronk (probably famous last words). Either way, I love him getting it together out there and taking control. This was his defense today and there was no doubt about it. He was flying to the ball and I was pulling for the TD on hit INT. He earned it.

 

4 - Take your time 'cause the way I rhyme's gonna make you smile, when ya

Realise that with a guy my size it might take a while, just to

Try to figure out what all this is for.

Pinch me

 

5 - Haushka - I'm officially sorry for every negative thing I thought about you when we signed you this offseason. It was nothing personal, I just heard about your missed extra points and your first missed field goal this year scared me. I'm truly, deeply sorry. Because man, are you kidding me with these 50+ yarders!? This guy is killing it for us. I wasn't even nervous on his last field goal. It's amazing to have a guy like this and only begs the question, why didn't we let him kick it before our first punt?

 

6 - Tyrod - I thought it was a fluke last week, but now I'm realizing this guy just knows how to make this throw. Does anyone understand how hard it is to throw on the run AND across your body? I couldn't figure out why we are rolling him out that way for the harder throw. But the answer is: Because he can! Yes, TT missed some throws today. He missed 2 that were pretty bad. But you know what, so did Ryan. If TT missed that last throw, people would be losing their minds on here calling for Peterman. He also threw some perfect balls today including the deep ball to Clay, the TD to Matthews, and a few others in stride that were starting NFL QB throws. Fine, he's not going to throw for 300 yards and carry us. Ryan attempted over 40 passes and lost. Tyrod escape the pocket and made some amazing plays on his feet and WON the game. We know his limits, but we are seeing flashes as well as improvement. How many more throws over the middle do you have to see before we can agree that it's in his arsenal. Great game Tyrod.

 

7 - McDermott - There's quite a few calls in the game where I scratch my head as to what McDermott is thinking. Trying to get the Falcons to jump offsides on 4th and goal made absolutely no sense as they couldn't get rewarded with a 1st. But at 3-1, with penalties under control, and with a defense that is just playing amazing, he's earned the benefit of the doubt with me. There was only one play on defense where they looked confused, and that was the passing touchdown we gave up. Other than that, this team went into an insanely tough venue against a crazy fast offense, and held them to 17 points. I'm trying not to get too caught up in things after 4 games, but this really does feel different with him.

 

8 - Around the NFL and the rest of the season - I don't know if the talent level has increased or decreased, but the parody in the league this year is as diverse as I've seen it in a long time. It really feels like almost every single team can win on any given Sunday. Oh yeah, and the Pats lost at home to the Panthers. Now how does that loss feel for us? I'm not saying anything about us making the playoffs or what I think is going to happen, but you can't deny that every single game on our schedule looks a lot more winnable now than it did in the preseason. The Pats game in Foxboro and the Chiefs games are the only ones I expect us to be favored to lose by a decent margin. Other than that, with today's win and how the league is shaping up, I think a lot of us are re-evaluating our Win/Loss predictions now.

 

9 - Grass is Greener - It's easy as a fan to watch the same team every single week and pick apart your teams flaws, while not giving them credit for their wins. This is especially true for Bills fans who are used to snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. But today we saw a team with a Pro Bowl QB, two amazing running backs (seriously, they are insanely fast and talented), and a great receiving core. They had so many weapons that I don't think they know how to use them all. If Ryan just had 75% of the plays run through Coleman and Freeman, I don't know that we win this game. Those guys were monsters out there. But they have so many weapons, I think they feel obligated to spread it around more and use Ryan's arm. Plus, like I said before, there were missed passes by Ryan that would get TT crucified on here.

 

The point is, you have to take credit for the wins as well as the losses. If Ryan looked bad, give us credit for making him look bad. Give TT the credit for winning the game. Rarely is there a perfect game and there will always be plays you want to get back. But that's why you play the full 60 minutes and that's why discipline usually wins out. We are showing that discipline.

 

10 - Negatives - I'm not going to get deep here and keep it to quick hits. If Tolbert lost that fumble, I'm putting his house on the market. Jones needs quick passes early in games to get his confidence up. That Carolina drop is looking less and less on TT. Mills got blown up twice in a row to start the second half. I really want to know what's up with Dareus. If he's that hurt to not play that much, why dress him? If not, why is he not in more? His snap count was absurdly low. Lastly, should have called a defensive TO on the passing TD. We clearly weren't ready.

 

 

3-1 to start the season ladies and gentlemen!!! Who saw that coming?!? Savor it and let's move on. And before we start with the "Here comes the letdown loss to the Bengals.", just stop. Good teams are 1-3 right now and this season is rough for everyone. Whether we are 4-1 or 3-2 heading into the bye week, this was a great win and we are further ahead than anyone thought we would be. So for a week, let's leave TT alone. Let's hope our WR's can step up for Matthews (Talking to you Jones), and Gaines injury isn't too bad.

 

This is a great win and a good feeling. Bills Win, Pats Lose!!!!

 

Go Bills!!!!!

 

*Post Edit - I dont know how I failed to give Clay a spot in here. I had him in my notes and just missed him. Was the leading NFL receiver through the 1pm games. Yes, thats with TT at the helm. Amazing game for Clay and love seeing him develop into the guy we hoped hed be. Hes earning that contract this year.

 

Edited October 2, 2017 by Virgil

[Wagon Circler]

The White touchdown was a gift and a really terrible call. When the arm started forward, he had possession. The Hyde interception was almost as bad as the ground helped him catch it. I was quite sure both plays would be reversed. Would like to see Dennison throw more at the end.

Having said this, thrilled to be 3-1!

Edited October 2, 2017 by Wagon Circler

[Max Fischer]

There was no harm in 4th and goal play, if Atlanta jumps they get a free play, took time off the clock and only pushed back five yards, which probably helps on the short FG. Literally nothing to lose.

[Not at the table Karlos]

White td was questionable. If it's a fumble how long does he have to possess the ball after? I probably would have called that incomplete. I thought the hyde pick was fine. He had both hands on it before it hit the ground (watch the slo-mo) and it didn't move at all when the tip hit the ground.

[MClark]

Thrilled with win but agree on Tolbert. He is just not dynamic. If Shady is out for any extended period of game, we're in big trouble with Tolbert and Dimarco.

[dollars 2 donuts]

Thrilled with win but agree on Tolbert. He is just not dynamic. If Shady is out for any extended period of game, we're in big trouble with Tolbert and Dimarco.

MClark, maybe you didn't say before, but I am starting to agree with you guys who previously said you weren't thrilled with Tolbert.

 

Some tams (more than in recent memory) have two headed monsters at RB...I'm starting to get unsettled when Tolbert is in the back field by himself.

[Paul Costa]

 

That is just flat false. It's inarguable Hughes hit the ball before his arm was going forward. That wasn't even an issue. The only issue was did he have control of the ball when his arm started going forward, and he didn't. He just pushed it forward. It would have been the same if it were below his waste and he didn't have full control and just shoveled it forward. That was clearly the right call after seeing there or four angles of it.

 

On the Hyde interception you just don't know the rules. It's okay if it hits the ground. It's still a catch if it totally smacks against the ground as long as you have two hands and control of it, which he did. The ball didn't bounce up when it hit the ground so it is a catch.

[Kelly the Dog]

The White touchdown was a gift and a really terrible call. When the arm started forward, he had possession. The Hyde interception was almost as bad as the ground helped him catch it. I was quite sure both plays would be reversed. Would like to see Dennison throw more at the end.

Having said this, thrilled to be 3-1!

That is just flat false. It's inarguable Hughes hit the ball before his arm was going forward. That wasn't even an issue. The only issue was did he have control of the ball when his arm started going forward, and he didn't. He just pushed it forward. It would have been the same if it were below his waist and he didn't have full control and just shoveled it forward. That was clearly the right call after seeing three or four angles of it.

 

On the Hyde interception you just don't know the rules. It's okay if it hits the ground. It's still a catch if it totally smacks against the ground as long as you have two hands and control of it, which he did. The ball didn't bounce up when it hit the ground so it is a catch.

Edited October 2, 2017 by Kelly the Dog

[Paul Costa]

All the bad call against the Bills are evening out. Stop being so negative dude. Enjoy 😉

Edited October 2, 2017 by Paul Costa

[HappyDays]

I love how our secondary is playing. Look what the Pats are paying their players in the secondary. Theirs has been arguably worst in the league and ours has arguably been the best. That's incredible cap management and coaching by McBeane.

[Kelly the Dog]

All the bad call against the Bills are evening out. Stop being so negative dude. Enjoy

Yep. In the Broncos game I thought there were about eight bad calls. Horrendous. But we benefitted from half of them somit evened out. This game there were some controversial calls but overall I thought they got them right a lot. We got away with some stuff for sure. And they weren't called for a few.

[Virgil]

Yep. In the Broncos game I thought there were about eight bad calls. Horrendous. But we benefitted from half of them somit evened out. This game there were some controversial calls but overall I thought they got them right a lot. We got away with some stuff for sure. And they weren't called for a few.

Maybe the cigarette smoking man finally died and the conspiracy is over

[Kelly the Dog]

Maybe the cigarette smoking man finally died and the conspiracy is over

I never understood the benefit of the doubt calls that the NFL makes but it exists for sure. Perhaps because of McDermott we are solid and fundamentally sound and our players aren't dicks and they get the plays in quick and we run them and the officials think these guys are doing it right and we will give them the benefit of the doubt.

[Willyville Guy]

On the fumble for a TD, I was surprised at how sure the TV announcers were that the call would be reversed. The ball was plainly moving around in Ryan's hand before he started a forward motion - how can anyone call that possession?

 

Edit: if the Bills are now somehow getting calls to square up for past mistakes, then we should get several years worth of calls going forward.

Edited October 2, 2017 by Willyville Guy

[1st Ammendment NoMas]

On the fumble for a TD, I was surprised at how sure the TV announcers were that the call would be reversed. The ball was plainly moving around in Ryan's hand before he started a forward motion - how can anyone call that possession?

 

Edit: if the Bills are now somehow getting calls to square up for past mistakes, then we should get several years worth of calls going forward.

I'm with you on that one. The Refs made some bad call against the Bills too, but I think overall things worked out 50/50 instead of going against us 25/75 like they seem to before.

[BeginnersMind]

Thrilled about the win. Injury watch has begun:

 

- Shaq. They missed him yesterday in the run protection. Hope he's back soon but doesn't rush.

 

- Matthews. He's the best WR on the team and it will hurt to have him out for the next month+.

 

- Gaines. He plays a speed and agility position, so groin is a tough injury. I hope he gets 3 weeks rest and comes back after the bye 100%.

 

- Humber. He's played well. I haven't heard what his prognosis is.

 

- Shady. He's not hurt but he leaves the game a lot and every time he does, we get Tolbert. That's a problem. Tolbert will have a few fun runs this season but the Bills need a true backup. Beane should have that person ready for week 6. Plenty of guys out there who can do the job adequately.

Edited October 2, 2017 by BeginnersMind

[GunnerBill]

On the officiating I thought they were consistent. They stayed with what they called unless there was clear evidence to overturn. You can argue the catch (I think it was Coleman not Freeman) hat they stayed with for the Falcons was a 50/50 as was the Fumble for the TD. They stayed with the on-field call both times. Hard to argue when a crew is consistent in that application of the rules.

[bobobonators]

For the White TD, the part that may be confusing some is the fact that the ball came loose BEFORE his arm was going forward. And he never completely regained control/grip on the ball. If the ball started going loose after his arm was going forward then it wouldve been an incomplete pass.

Edited October 2, 2017 by bobobonators

[GunnerBill]

For the White TD, the part that may be confusing some is the fact that the ball came loose BEFORE his arm was going forward. And he never completely regained control/grip on the ball. If the ball started going loose after his arm was going forward then it wouldve been an incomplete pass.

 

See I don't think it was. I think it wobbled in his hand but I don't think it was coming loose. He still had possession in my opinion. Ultimately I think it is subjective and I can see why someone might look at that wobble and say that does not constitute control. I think they were probably right to stay with how it was called on the field, but had it been called incomplete on the field no way it would have been overturned on review it was simply too close of a call whichever way they called it.

[All_Pro_Bills]

I'll admit it. Watching the game and after many seasons of futility on the road against a good opponent I expected this to be one of those 'moral victory' moments. We've seen it many times for many seasons. When the Bills play a favored opponent tough only to lose the game at the end. Followed by gratuitous praise from the home team about how the Bills gave them all they could handle. Instead, a real victory with a 'W' in the standings with a great effort and smart play all around. At this point they are definitely raising expectations.

[Webster Guy]

The White touchdown was a gift and a really terrible call. When the arm started forward, he had possession. The Hyde interception was almost as bad as the ground helped him catch it. I was quite sure both plays would be reversed. Would like to see Dennison throw more at the end.

Having said this, thrilled to be 3-1!

you are missing the point on the ryan fumble. i was too until Kelso explained it perfectly. This was not your typical "is his arm moving forward when he loses control of the football? " Matt Ryan clearly lost control of the football BEFORE his arm was coming forward. It is now a fumble, not a forward pass. Miraculously, he sort of recovers the ball with his finertips during the throwing motion and pushes it forward, but he never regained possession or control of the fumble.

 

one caller said big ben did the same thing a few years back and they called it a fumble for the same reason.

 

under review, the criteria the refs were using had nothing to do with arm motion and all about whether or not he re-possessed the ball, which as you could tell by the fluttering ball he didnt.

 

Kelso was all over it.

[GunnerBill]

Matt Ryan clearly lost control of the football BEFORE his arm was coming forward.

 

I don't think that is clear at all. I think it is certainly arguable that was the case, but I saw it differently. They were probably right not to overturn because there was no clear evidence it was a 50/50 call but whether he controlled it is still a subjective point. I think he did still control it actually and we got a bit of a break. No that I am complaining or taking anything away from our win.

[Virgil]

 

See I don't think it was. I think it wobbled in his hand but I don't think it was coming loose. He still had possession in my opinion. Ultimately I think it is subjective and I can see why someone might look at that wobble and say that does not constitute control. I think they were probably right to stay with how it was called on the field, but had it been called incomplete on the field no way it would have been overturned on review it was simply too close of a call whichever way they called it.

A wobble for a WR means he doesnt have possession for a catch. So shouldnt that be the same for a QB when passing?

 

Im not arguing or saying youre wrong. I honestly dont even know anymore with all the rules.

[GunnerBill]

A wobble for a WR means he doesnt have possession for a catch. So shouldnt that be the same for a QB when passing?

 

Im not arguing or saying youre wrong. I honestly dont even know anymore with all the rules.

 

The rules are hideously lacking in clarity I agree with that.

[SoFFacet]

Fumble Return TD - The ball came loose. It was touching his hand when his arm came forward, but that's not enough to re-establish control. That would be like saying that a player momentarily possesses the ball on a batted pass.

 

4 & goal Delay of Game - Obviously the point wasn't to draw them offsides. They were snapping the ball if they got the defensive look they wanted. Taking the penalty made no difference to the FG attempt.

 

Tolbert - Not sure why he's on the team. Our backup RB situation is really bad. That one play when both he and Shady were nicked up and the handed off to Dimarco was just sad.

[GunnerBill]

 

 

Tolbert - Not sure why he's on the team. Our backup RB situation is really bad. That one play when both he and Shady were nicked up and the handed off to Dimarco was just sad.

 

I have presumed that Banyard has not dressed because they are content with Taiwan Jones as an emergency 3rd back if needed. To hand off to DiMarco is basically a loss of down. It made no sense.

Edited October 2, 2017 by GunnerBill

[Kelly the Dog]

 

I don't think that is clear at all. I think it is certainly arguable that was the case, but I saw it differently. They were probably right not to overturn because there was no clear evidence it was a 50/50 call but whether he controlled it is still a subjective point. I think he did still control it actually and we got a bit of a break. No that I am complaining or taking anything away from our win.

There was only one angle of the four or so they showed that proved it was a fumble. The one from behind that showed Jerry Hughes hitting the ball. There is undeniable air between the ball and his hand as the ball moves out of his hand and turns slightly. Then he pushes it rather than throws it forward when he gets his hand back on it.

[GunnerBill]

There was only one angle of the four or so they showed that proved it was a fumble. The one from behind that showed Jerry Hughes hitting the ball. There is undeniable air between the ball and his hand as the ball moves out of his hand and turns slightly. Then he pushes it rather than throws it forward when he gets his hand back on it.

 

Hmmm. Not sure I saw that but happy to look at it again.

[ganesh]

 

 

 

That is just flat false. It's inarguable Hughes hit the ball before his arm was going forward. That wasn't even an issue. The only issue was did he have control of the ball when his arm started going forward, and he didn't. He just pushed it forward. It would have been the same if it were below his waste and he didn't have full control and just shoveled it forward. That was clearly the right call after seeing there or four angles of it.

 

On the Hyde interception you just don't know the rules. It's okay if it hits the ground. It's still a catch if it totally smacks against the ground as long as you have two hands and control of it, which he did. The ball didn't bounce up when it hit the ground so it is a catch.

The commentators also did make one comment. Both time the referee did not make the statement that "Replays confirmed the play".....They made the comment that the folks in NY just did not find enough evidence to overturn the call on the field.

[Not at the table Karlos]

I watched the fumble as slow as I could on the nfl app highlights. When Hughes hit Ryan's arm it looks like the only thing keeping the ball in his hand is his thumb. The top four fingers slide down the ball then he gets a finger on the ball as his arm is moving forward. I don't think it's clear enough to overturn either way but IMO it was a fumble followed by Ryan pushing it upfield

[blargo]

This was a game that the Rex coached team would lose. They would make it close and find a way to lose. It was great seeing that they are finding ways to win. Lack of turnovers is one thing, but how many dumb penalties have we had this year? How many pre-snap? A few not many and that helps the team. If we can continue this and get more drives like that 3rd Q beginning of the 4th where we took over 11 minutes off the clock we will win more than we lose. Now finish the drive!!!!

[Bill Murray]

Not to turn this into another TT dominated thread, but worth reiterating three of your points: 1) Ryan threw 40 times and lost (to the TT doesnt throw for 300 yards crew) 2) Matt Ryan left plays on the field (to the TT is the only QB in the league that misses throws) and 3) agree if TT threw that 4th down pass for the game people would be going nuts

 

Also, McD said on the 4th and goal they lined up to see if they got a certain look. If they did, they would have run a play for the TD, if they didnt, they would take the -5yds and kick. That is smart, free option. They didnt get the look they wanted, so they kicked.

[Big C]

If Ryan regained possession of the ball, it would have looked more like a throw coming out of his hand. It was wobbly and just plopped down.

 

Side note, Virgil, the word is spelled "parity."

[Pete]

Maybe the cigarette smoking man finally died and the conspiracy is over

I have that x-files sample on my music shuffle

 

[Alphadawg7]

White td was questionable. If it's a fumble how long does he have to possess the ball after? I probably would have called that incomplete. I thought the hyde pick was fine. He had both hands on it before it hit the ground (watch the slo-mo) and it didn't move at all when the tip hit the ground.

 

The main issue with that play was the ANNOUNCERS of the game. They kept falsely stating that Ryan maintained control through the forward motion which was absolutely not correct. The ball came loose on the way back and he had no real control of the ball moving forward and literally just pushed his hand through the ball to shove it forward.

 

To me, this is 100% why the call was not reversed. Don't get me wrong, I understand it was a close call, but it was ruled a fumble on the field and to overturn it there MUST be conclusive evidence to do so. And the only thing that was 100% confirmable is that the ball came loose while the arm was going backward and I saw no evidence of him regaining full control of the ball and then making a forward pass.

 

In regards to other comments about the refs and the calls...A lot of people have said we got calls to go "our way", however I think the better phrasing is the refs finally got the calls right. Just because they were in our favor doesn't mean the refs got them wrong. Were there close calls, absolutely, but in each case the refs made the correct decision. Even the one people think didn't go our way, the long play down the side line from Coleman was the right call by the refs. I didn't see anything in the replay that was conclusive to warrant an over turn.

[Kelly the Dog]

The main issue with that play was the ANNOUNCERS of the game. They kept falsely stating that Ryan maintained control through the forward motion which was absolutely not correct. The ball came loose on the way back and he had no real control of the ball moving forward and literally just pushed his hand through the ball to shove it forward.

 

To me, this is 100% why the call was not reversed. Don't get me wrong, I understand it was a close call, but it was ruled a fumble on the field and to overturn it there MUST be conclusive evidence to do so. And the only thing that was 100% confirmable is that the ball came loose while the arm was going backward and I saw no evidence of him regaining full control of the ball and then making a forward pass.

 

In regards to other comments about the refs and the calls...A lot of people have said we got calls to go "our way", however I think the better phrasing is the refs finally got the calls right. Just because they were in our favor doesn't mean the refs got them wrong. Were there close calls, absolutely, but in each case the refs made the correct decision. Even the one people think didn't go our way, the long play down the side line from Coleman was the right call by the refs. I didn't see anything in the replay that was conclusive to warrant an over turn.

 

Yes to all of that. Plus, on the Tre White fumble there were four or five looks at it. Most of them looked like he may have had possession when he threw. The one from behind, however, was the only one that showed it clearly. If you didn't look closely that that one out of four or five looks you could argue either way. If you did look clearly at the one look, it was a definitive answer. Fumble. No question about it.

[blargo]

 

The main issue with that play was the ANNOUNCERS of the game. They kept falsely stating that Ryan maintained control through the forward motion which was absolutely not correct. The ball came loose on the way back and he had no real control of the ball moving forward and literally just pushed his hand through the ball to shove it forward.

 

To me, this is 100% why the call was not reversed. Don't get me wrong, I understand it was a close call, but it was ruled a fumble on the field and to overturn it there MUST be conclusive evidence to do so. And the only thing that was 100% confirmable is that the ball came loose while the arm was going backward and I saw no evidence of him regaining full control of the ball and then making a forward pass.

 

In regards to other comments about the refs and the calls...A lot of people have said we got calls to go "our way", however I think the better phrasing is the refs finally got the calls right. Just because they were in our favor doesn't mean the refs got them wrong. Were there close calls, absolutely, but in each case the refs made the correct decision. Even the one people think didn't go our way, the long play down the side line from Coleman was the right call by the refs. I didn't see anything in the replay that was conclusive to warrant an over turn.

After seeing the replay so many times I agree with your assessment. If the ball came out in a spiral it would have been overturned, but it came out like he did not have a grip on the ball.

[ksm27]

While I'm certainly happy with the way the Ryan fumble/White touchdown worked out, I'm always uncomfortable with the interaction between the way these plays are treated on the field, and the application of the review standards. Understandably, refs are reluctant to be too quick to blow the whistle in these scenarios so that they can let the play completely finish. In my opinion, this creates a confirmatory bias on the part of the refs to make their "call on the field" match up with the outcome that resulted from not having blown the whistle (in this case, TD Buffalo). Then you're suddenly in a situation where the call will stand without conclusive evidence to the contrary. I don't know how to fix this. Sure, you do see instances where they let the play completely finish and then decide that the call on the field is an incomplete pass, but I don't think it happens as much as it probably should. Also, it puts the refs in a situation where they're talking about a play that's now 60+ seconds old and trying to decide what happened in a split second, bang-bang moment. I don't know what the right answer is, but sometimes I think we need to let the refs do the job they were trained for, and see a play take place in real time and actually react with a definitive whistle. Or just give greater deference to the booth review.

[Houston's #1 Bills Fan]

Thrilled with win but agree on Tolbert. He is just not dynamic. If Shady is out for any extended period of game, we're in big trouble with Tolbert and Dimarco.

I have to agree. There was a particular 3rd and 17ish play and they handoff to Tolbert. I'm, but he ain't gonna get 17 yards. That was a give up the down and possession play and pissed me off. At least fake handing off. Flea flicker. Off around. Something other than a straight up the gut run play with a guy that isn't that fast. I'd rather have Banyard trying.

[Augie]

See I don't think it was. I think it wobbled in his hand but I don't think it was coming loose. He still had possession in my opinion. Ultimately I think it is subjective and I can see why someone might look at that wobble and say that does not constitute control. I think they were probably right to stay with how it was called on the field, but had it been called incomplete on the field no way it would have been overturned on review it was simply too close of a call whichever way they called it.

 

I think that's exactly right, but I'm not apologizing. We've been on the wrong side of that deal plenty of times! Falcon's fans do not see this the same way I do....