If Saquan Barkley really is a better NFL prospect than Zeke.

[Augie]

He had 230 and 2 TDs against Alabama. Their front 7 had NFL players everywhere.

Fair enough! He may have had a better OLine, but I’m not arguing his greatness. Personally, I’d LOVE either one, but at what cost? I’m glad we have a lot of picks, because we’re going to need them all!

[Buffalo Barbarian]

Barkley had 20 carries for 44 yards. 36 were on 1 TD run.

They really didn't use Barkley that much as a runner, not surprised he didn't get into a rhythm.

[Watkins101]

Barkley had 20 carries for 44 yards. 36 were on 1 TD run.

Did you see Penn State's Oline? It seemed like they had three unblocked defenders in the backfield every play

[YoloinOhio]

Did you see Penn State's Oline? It seemed like they had three unblocked defenders in the backfield every play

they were bad and OSU DL good

[Cripple Creek]

Barkley has been "contained" in 3 games.

 

21 carries 44 yards v OSU

20 carries 56 yards v Indiana

16 carries 75 yards v Northwestern

 

Based on those he is out of Heisman contention IMO. Is this a reflection of Barkely as a runner or Franklin (et al) as a coach?

[YoloinOhio]

Barkley has been "contained" in 3 games.

 

21 carries 44 yards v OSU

20 carries 56 yards v Indiana

16 carries 75 yards v Northwestern

 

Based on those he is out of Heisman contention IMO. Is this a reflection of Barkely as a runner or Franklin (et al) as a coach?

well they use him a ton in the passing game and on KOR. So all purpose yards is more of a reflection of him as a Heisman candidate. For example I think it was vs Northwestern or Iowa they devoted their D to stopping him in the run game, and he had 12 catches. The one thing I will bring up as it relates to his game on Sat. Night is that when his team really needed him to come through at the end, when all the pressure was on - his heisman moment, if you will - he didnt.

[Willyville Guy]

well they use him a ton in the passing game and on KOR. So all purpose yards is more of a reflection of him as a Heisman candidate. For example I think it was vs Northwestern or Iowa they devoted their D to stopping him in the run game, and he had 12 catches. The one thing I will bring up as it relates to his game on Sat. Night is that when his team really needed him to come through at the end, when all the pressure was on - his heisman moment, if you will - he didnt.

 

He almost spun into huge scoring play, but Baker made one of the tackles of the season just before Barkley took off.

[YoloinOhio]

 

He almost spun into huge scoring play, but Baker made one of the tackles of the season just before Barkley took off.

Booker or Baker? I am re watching and saw Booker make one in open field. Would have been about a 45 yard TD run

[Willyville Guy]

Worse. I just went and looked and found that I thinking of Fuller's tackle on McSorley on the drive that ended in a field goal in the 4th quarter [shrugging emoji]. I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue. When was Booker's tackle? I'm watching here https://youtu.be/dminKvaMy8M

 

 

EDIT: I see the Booker tackle (not in the above highlight video) with about 13:10 left in the 4th.

 

Speaking of the unusual effort shown by the DL, here is Sam Hubbard tackling the QB and RB at the same time:

 

Edited October 31, 2017 by Willyville Guy

[YoloinOhio]

Worse. I just went and looked and found that I thinking of Fuller's tackle on McSorley on the drive that ended in a field goal in the 4th quarter [shrugging emoji]. I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue. When was Booker's tackle? I'm watching here https://youtu.be/dminKvaMy8M

 

 

EDIT: I see the Booker tackle (not in the above highlight video) with about 13:10 left in the 4th.

 

Speaking of the unusual effort shown by the DL, here is Sam Hubbard tackling the QB and RB at the same time:

 

Hubbards Joey Bosa moment circa 2014

 

Btw Urb said Nick Bosa had 7 QB pressures 👀

Edited October 31, 2017 by YoloinOhio

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[Willyville Guy]

I just saw that Barkley won the Paul Hornung Award for being the most versatile player in the country.  Well deserved.

[YoloinOhio]

Circling back to the title of this thread, despite not being invited to the Heisman vote, I think he’s still being considered a better prospect than Zeke based on some of the stuff I’ve seen from the draft guys 

. He is much cleaner off the field. But, I’m not sure he’s as good of a pure RB. We shall see. 

Edited December 6, 2017 by YoloinOhio

[Dkollidas]

I could totally see the Giants being the type of team to take him at #2 and forego a QB because they think Webb might be the guy and Eli has juice left. Just seems like something they’d do. But who knows with whoever takes over the team. 

[YoloinOhio]

6 hours ago, Dkollidas said:

I could totally see the Giants being the type of team to take him at #2 and forego a QB because they think Webb might be the guy and Eli has juice left. Just seems like something they’d do. But who knows with whoever takes over the team. 

I could see that. Same with Colts. They haven’t had the star RB to take pressure off of Luck. If Luck is definitely back, I think they could take Barkley. 

[Kirby Jackson]

I think that Barkley goes to Tampa.

[JohnC]

On ‎10‎/‎30‎/‎2017 at 10:07 PM, YoloinOhio said:

Hubbards Joey Bosa moment circa 2014

 

Btw Urb said Nick Bosa had 7 QB pressures ?

Is Nick going to be better than Joe? 

[Victory Formation]

On 9/23/2017 at 12:22 PM, Laughing Coffin said:

Barkley is for sure a top 5 pick. He's 220 and shiftier than McCafferey, and is a great pass catcher/route runner. He's 100% a jack of all trades every down back.

He reminds me of McGahee before he blew his knee out.

[/dev/null]

Just ripped off a 90+ yard TD run against Washington

[Buffalo716]

He's a fantastic prospect but he isn't the high end runner that Zeke is

 

he is definitely more versatile though 

[YoloinOhio]

He’s a similar prospect on the field, better prospect off the field 

[Gugny]

I think the Giants would be nuts to not take this kid.

[YoloinOhio]

 

[/dev/null]

Trace McSorely punched me in the ribs

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[buffaloboyinATL]

He will go top 5. How amazing it would be to get a QB and Barkley in round 1. Browns may pull it off.

[popcornpam]

Any team that passes on  Barkley in the draft will be sorry!

[/dev/null]

[YoloinOhio]

Gonna be a great one.

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[KD in CA]

On 12/6/2017 at 11:40 PM, Dkollidas said:

I could totally see the Giants being the type of team to take him at #2 and forego a QB because they think Webb might be the guy and Eli has juice left. Just seems like something they’d do. But who knows with whoever takes over the team. 

 

Giants?  They are not often that stupid.   I don't see any way they don't draft a QB.   It's the perfect time for them.

 

 

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[YoloinOhio]

 

[NewEraBills]

7 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

They could be correct.  But this is also lying season too, with some nuggets of truth sprinkled in.  I don't doubt he's talked with teams that don't have him in the top 7.  He doesn't indicate how many teams he's talked to.  But that's beside the point.  No team will give you their position on the QB's at this point either.  They'll indicate that they like a certain guy, but they are not going to say I have Darnold at 1, Mayfield at 2 so on and so forth.

[GunnerBill]

49 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

 

Interesting.  I have him 6th on my board at the moment but have lots more potential first rounders to fix a grade on.  I know I have said it a few times this past couple of days but I feel like this is a kinda 'meh' draft class beyond obviously a deep QB group.  

[Kirby Jackson]

4 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

 

Interesting.  I have him 6th on my board at the moment but have lots more potential first rounders to fix a grade on.  I know I have said it a few times this past couple of days but I feel like this is a kinda 'meh' draft class beyond obviously a deep QB group.  

I agree with your assessment on this class. QB, RB and LB are the strengths of the class. I think that the OL is pretty good. In general though this class isn’t very deep. You know my perspective on drafting to the strength of the draft. I believe that you get better value that way. 

 

Additionally in a “lean” draft I wouldn’t hesitate to package picks to move up to a get a specific player if I liked them. This Bills team has a lot of holes but at the same time I would rather get 1 good player than 2 guys overdrafted out of need. As a small example I’d be fine taking the 2 2nds and moving to the back of the 1st to get Sony Michel. While, on paper, it may seem smarter to stand pat and get Royce Freeman and Frank Ragnow I’d rather take the guy that I think can be a star. In strong drafts the quality of players in the mid to late 50’s is equivalent to the top 30 in a lean draft. The guys that will go mid to late 50’s this year might have been a full rounder lower a year ago.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

I'd sell my eternal soul to see Barkley go to the Giants. They'd actually use him properly.

 

 

[GunnerBill]

22 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I agree with your assessment on this class. QB, RB and LB are the strengths of the class. I think that the OL is pretty good. In general though this class isn’t very deep. You know my perspective on drafting to the strength of the draft. I believe that you get better value that way. 

 

Additionally in a “lean” draft I wouldn’t hesitate to package picks to move up to a get a specific player if I liked them. This Bills team has a lot of holes but at the same time I would rather get 1 good player than 2 guys overdrafted out of need. As a small example I’d be fine taking the 2 2nds and moving to the back of the 1st to get Sony Michel. While, on paper, it may seem smarter to stand pat and get Royce Freeman and Frank Ragnow I’d rather take the guy that I think can be a star. In strong drafts the quality of players in the mid to late 50’s is equivalent to the top 30 in a lean draft. The guys that will go mid to late 50’s this year might have been a full rounder lower a year ago.

 

Yea the OL at the top end is better than last year but I am not sure the depth is great there to be honest. 

[Kirby Jackson]

6 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yea the OL at the top end is better than last year but I am not sure the depth is great there to be honest. 

Agreed, but there are some guys that could be perennial pro bowlers (Price, Nelson) and some guys with huge ceilings (Connor Williams). There are starting caliber players there through about round 3 IMO. You are rolling the dice some once you get past there.

 

Also, out of curiosity how would you have ranked the following players coming out: Barkley, Zeke, Fournette, Gurley?

Edited January 29, 2018 by Kirby Jackson

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Agreed, but there are some guys that could be perennial pro bowlers (Price, Nelson) and some guys with huge ceilings (Connor Williams). There are starting caliber players there through about round 3 IMO. You are rolling the dice some once you get past there.

 

Also, out of curiosity how would you have ranked the following players coming out: Barkley, Zeke, Fournette, Gurley?

 

Zeke would be first I was very high on him. I would have to go back and check my final grade on Fournette last year but he and Barkley pretty close.... all top 10 grades. Gurley I had a mid 1st on.