If Saquan Barkley really is a better NFL prospect than Zeke.

[YoloinOhio]

Maybe Leveon Bell was just a beta test of Saquon Barkley 1.0

well Barkley is waaaay better than Leveon was at this point in college. Imagine what he will become in th NFL. Edited September 25, 2017 by YoloinOhio

[Bill from NYC]

Bill, As Kirby stated, White, a CB, was a tremendous pick in the lower first round. So far from what he has exhibited he would still be a terrific pick as a higher first round pick. As far as retaining players or not that is just a byproduct of the cap system. Losing players because of financial considerations is an inescapable part of the system. Organizations that are smart are organizations that in general draft well to more cheaply replace the inevitable player departures.

 

This next draft for me is a moment of truth. I believe that we are in a good position to secure a franchise qb. If it is not done this year then it represents another pivot point where this hollow organization has let an opportunity pass them by while they continue on their way to continued irrelevancy.

 

My opinion on drafting except for the qb position is if the player selected turns out to be a good player no matter the position then it is a good pick. In a system where the failure rate for draftees is high picking a good player should be deemed a success.

I agree 100% with the bolded. If they think that one of these kids will be a better than average qb they absolutely must draft him.

 

As far as White, imo its too early to say, but I think that the draft was mishandled.

 

As for "good" players being "good" picks, I disagree in part. Donte Whitner was "good," but he was one of the all time worst draft Bills selections (quite the accomplishment indeed) because of who Levy passed up to draft him. The same can be said for McKelvin. The way I see it, good draft picks are the players that win you football games.

 

Jmo John and I am sure we will reach a consensus of sorts. We usually do.

[26CornerBlitz]

 

Nice!

[/dev/null]

 

Nice!

 

Indeed

 

Coworker is an Oklahoma State fan and obviously very pro Rudolph and Washington. This morning he was ready to award the Heisman to Barkley

[JohnC]

I agree 100% with the bolded. If they think that one of these kids will be a better than average qb they absolutely must draft him.

 

As far as White, imo its too early to say, but I think that the draft was mishandled.

 

As for "good" players being "good" picks, I disagree in part. Donte Whitner was "good," but he was one of the all time worst draft Bills selections (quite the accomplishment indeed) because of who Levy passed up to draft him. The same can be said for McKelvin. The way I see it, good draft picks are the players that win you football games.

 

Jmo John and I am sure we will reach a consensus of sorts. We usually do.

In general you and I are usually in sync with few differences. On the defensive backfield issue I have to give the wrestling coach credit for the masterful way he completely revamped the defensive backfield and altered the system. In my snap view I consider the LSU CB, White, a gem. And I also consider Gaines, acquired in the Watkins deal, a very good CB. The two added safeties are also good. This remade unit is a tribute to McDermott having a system and bringing in players who very well fit the system. Coaching and organizational coherence matters!

Edited September 25, 2017 by JohnC

[Augie]

 

Nice!

In case you're wondering....he keeps on flying down the field after he lands!

[Kirby Jackson]

I wouldn't even be a little upset if we took Saquon with our first pick. Even with Shady, I wouldn't mind.

[26CornerBlitz]

In case you're wondering....he keeps on flying down the field after he lands!

 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

I wouldn't even be a little upset if we took Saquon with our first pick. Even with Shady, I wouldn't mind.

If there is a stud QB there and we draft a RB I will choke McBean myself.

[Kirby Jackson]

If there is a stud QB there and we draft a RB I will choke McBean myself.

I heard him called "the best RB since Barry Sanders" this monring. He's the best college football player imo. He will be a top 3 pick though. The best desperately lack skill players and if you could add Barkley it would be HUGE. I don't think that will happen but I'm just saying I could get behind it. Edited September 26, 2017 by Kirby Jackson

[JohnC]

I heard him called "the best RB since Barry Sanders" this monring. He's the best college football player imo. He will be a top 3 pick though. The best desperately ack skill players and if you could add Barkley it would be HUGE. I don't think that will happen but I'm just saying I could get behind it.

If the Bills were in position to draft Barkley and then used picks to trade up again to get a qb I wouldn't be adverse to it unless the Bills had an opportunity to draft Darnold with their first pick.

 

I said this on other posts so excuse me for the repetition but I still don't understand why Jonathan Williams was cut and the wrestling coach's fascination with Tolbert as the second back. It's perplexing.

[Buffalo Barbarian]

I heard him called "the best RB since Barry Sanders" this monring. He's the best college football player imo. He will be a top 3 pick though. The best desperately ack skill players and if you could add Barkley it would be HUGE. I don't think that will happen but I'm just saying I could get behind it.

I don't care if he's Bo Jackson, if we pass on Elway the pitchforks will be out!

[Bill from NYC]

 

 

I said this on other posts so excuse me for the repetition but I still don't understand why Jonathan Williams was cut and the wrestling coach's fascination with Tolbert as the second back. It's perplexing.

I think that tackling Tolbert hurts defenses. Defenders are smaller and faster these days. There are good players today that might not have made a roster 20 years ago. I like what I have seen of Tolbert. When the weather gets colder and the winds howl, I have a feeling that Tolbert will be appreciated even more as he grinds out first downs and physically punishes opponents.

Edited September 26, 2017 by Bill from NYC

[Kirby Jackson]

If the Bills were in position to draft Barkley and then used picks to trade up again to get a qb I wouldn't be adverse to it unless the Bills had an opportunity to draft Darnold with their first pick.

 

I said this on other posts so excuse me for the repetition but I still don't understand why Jonathan Williams was cut and the wrestling coach's fascination with Tolbert as the second back. It's perplexing.

That's kind of where I'm at. I think that the 1st round has to turn out an elite skill player in addition to QB. We just will never be able to trade scores with the elite offenses otherwise. I don't care if we had Peyton Manning in his prime right now there aren't plays to be made. They are playing 8 man boxes, can't get to the edge and have no separation on the outside.

I don't care if he's Bo Jackson, if we pass on Elway the pitchforks will be out!

Of course but if we pass on Brady Quinn for Barry Sanders people will be thrilled.

 

They will be drafting a QB I would think (although not guarantee). Supposedly the staff is high on Tyrod. I can't see them picking high enough for Barkley anyways. He may be the Browns pick as they continue to load up on talent. I'm simply saying that I could get behind it.

[YoloinOhio]

@MMQB

Better than Ezekiel Elliott? NFL scouts think so. Why Saquon Barkley is the best prospect in the 2018 NFL draft.

 

Saquon Barkley Is the Future of the NFL

https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/09/26/saquon-barkley-penn-state-2018-nfl-draft?utm_campaign=themmqb&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social

[26CornerBlitz]

Daniel Jeremiah says Barkley is better: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000849772/article/scouting-saquon-barkley-vs-iowa-hes-better-than-zeke-elliott

[thenorthremembers]

I would go Peterson and Fournette before Barkley if we are going that far back to someone like Barry Sanders.

 

Barkley is a great prospect, for sure top ten guy but I wouldnt put him over the two I mentioned before until the end of the year.

[Willyville Guy]

Agree. Let's see him get deeper into conference play before calling him the next Sanders... or even the next EZE.

[Kirby Jackson]

I would go Peterson and Fournette before Barkley if we are going that far back to someone like Barry Sanders.

 

Barkley is a great prospect, for sure top ten guy but I wouldnt put him over the two I mentioned before until the end of the year.

I didn't have Fournette nearly as high as most. He's a physical runner with great speed but constantly battled injuries and was a little soft. Zeke was a better prospect than Fournette. His game was/is more complete (although the odd the field stuff is concerning). Peterson is the best pure runner that I remember coming out since Sanders. Barkley has it all though. He's a surefire star.

[JohnC]

I didn't have Fournette nearly as high as most. He's a physical runner with great speed but constantly battled injuries and was a little soft. Zeke was a better prospect than Fournette. His game was/is more complete (although the odd the field stuff is concerning). Peterson is the best pure runner that I remember coming out since Sanders. Barkley has it all though. He's a surefire star.

I believe it was Emmit Smith who stated that the only player he felt that could jump from high school to the pro ranks was Adrian Peterson. That's how physically gifted he was. Now he is a shadow of what he once was. As it already been demonstrated he is going to have trouble accepting a secondary role as a player.

[Kirby Jackson]

I believe it was Emmit Smith who stated that the only player he felt that could jump from high school to the pro ranks was Adrian Peterson. That's how physically gifted he was. Now he is a shadow of what he once was. As it already been demonstrated he is going to have trouble accepting a secondary role as a player.

Yeah, he's nearing the end. In his prime though he was something. He ran so violently yet had breakaway speed.

[thenorthremembers]

I didn't have Fournette nearly as high as most. He's a physical runner with great speed but constantly battled injuries and was a little soft. Zeke was a better prospect than Fournette. His game was/is more complete (although the odd the field stuff is concerning). Peterson is the best pure runner that I remember coming out since Sanders. Barkley has it all though. He's a surefire star.

 

Agree to disagree on this one. I think it's close but Fournette was incredibly underrated as a pass catcher, averaged 12 yards a reception to Zeke's 8.

 

Fournette was trending towards, if not on the same level as Peterson after his Sophomore year. I think his Junior year changed a lot of that, but it was clear he had checked out and was on to the NFL.

[Cripple Creek]

Barkley is a great prospect, for sure top ten guy but I wouldnt put him over the two I mentioned before until the end of the year.

Why, what haven't you seen him do?

[ExiledInIllinois]

I believe it was Emmit Smith who stated that the only player he felt that could jump from high school to the pro ranks was Adrian Peterson. That's how physically gifted he was. Now he is a shadow of what he once was. As it already been demonstrated he is going to have trouble accepting a secondary role as a player.

Of course. Running backs are ground up and done by 30. Peterson is 32.

 

Why not let running backs come out right after high school. They need the extra 4 years... And BS from Smith. Running backs begin to break down the minute they step on the field as a freshmen. Drafting one is like buying a "new" car and having it be 4 years old.

Yeah, he's nearing the end. In his prime though he was something. He ran so violently yet had breakaway speed.

Again... NO rb gets really past 32 years old.

 

Matt Forte was right when the Bears tagged his azz. Ground up and spit out. RBs should NOT be franchised tagged.

Edited September 27, 2017 by ExiledInIllinois

[Kirby Jackson]

 

Agree to disagree on this one. I think it's close but Fournette was incredibly underrated as a pass catcher, averaged 12 yards a reception to Zeke's 8.

 

Fournette was trending towards, if not on the same level as Peterson after his Sophomore year. I think his Junior year changed a lot of that, but it was clear he had checked out and was on to the NFL.

I'm an OSU fan in Louisiana so I actually saw a ton of both. There were days where I thought Fournette was the next Peterson. I actually like Guice better than Fournette. We will see I guess.

[JohnC]

I'm an OSU fan in Louisiana so I actually saw a ton of both. There were days where I thought Fournette was the next Peterson. I actually like Guice better than Fournette. We will see I guess.

Have you seen the bumper sticker?: If your heart ain't in Dixie get your assss out!

Edited September 27, 2017 by JohnC

[Kirby Jackson]

Have you seen the bumper sticker?: If your heart ain't in Dixie get your assss out!

I get called a Yankee all of the time down here. When I am back up north they are like "you talk slow."

[JohnC]

I get called a Yankee all of the time down here. When I am back up north they are like "you talk slow."

As long as they don't start calling you dam Yankee you are safe.

[26CornerBlitz]

@CBSSportsNet

.@TikiandTierney talk to @saquonb21 about Heisman hype, the Big 10 Championship and getting to class on-time.

https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/913143103208357888/vid/640x360/he30xHP_kaiMaxS2.mp4

[ExiledInIllinois]

@CBSSportsNet

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

.@TikiandTierney talk to @saquonb21 about Heisman hype, the Big 10 Championship and getting to class on-time.

https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/913143103208357888/vid/640x360/he30xHP_kaiMaxS2.mp4

Can we petition to kick pedophiles out of the Big Ten. What a tear stain if PED State makes it to the Championship... They should have got Death Penalty ala SMU during the 80s. Edited September 27, 2017 by ExiledInIllinois

[/dev/null]

Can we petition to kick pedophiles out of the Big Ten. What a tear stain if PED State makes it to the Championship... They should have got Death Penalty ala SMU during the 80s.

 

are you still butthurt over the Iowa game?

[ExiledInIllinois]

 

are you still butthurt over the Iowa game?

Hell no, but the children in Happy Valley were.

[/dev/null]

Hell no, but the children in Happy Valley were.

[ExiledInIllinois]

 

 

Hell no, but the children in Happy Valley were.

When the children are butt raped by a team that you cultishly promote... Yes, the NCAA death penalty should have been applied.

 

Glad you are so cynical let $$$ win out.

 

You see where that is getting the NCAA.

 

PED State is for cultish sheeple.

[/dev/null]

When the children are butt raped by a team that you cultishly promote... Yes, the NCAA death penalty should have been applied.

 

Glad you are so cynical let $$$ win out.

 

You see where that is getting the NCAA.

 

PED State is for cultish sheeple.

Mike Vick was allowed back into the NFL

OJ Simpson is being released from prison

Donte Stallworth killed a man and returned to the NFL

 

At what point has Penn St been punished enough for you?

Never IMO, you're just a hater looking for something to hate

[ExiledInIllinois]

Mike Vick was allowed back into the NFL

OJ Simpson is being released from prison

Donte Stallworth killed a man and returned to the NFL

 

At what point has Penn St been punished enough for you?

Never IMO, you're just a hater looking for something to hate

Like SMU in the 1980s... I would have been fine.

 

PSU... Got a slap on wrist.

[/dev/null]

Like SMU in the 1980s... I would have been fine.

 

PSU... Got a slap on wrist.

Last time I checked SMU had their football program re-instated

 

Even if Penn St were inflicted the death penalty, at some point the program would be restored, and you would be back hating on them.

 

Haters gonna hate. It's what you do

[ExiledInIllinois]

Last time I checked SMU had their football program re-instated

 

Even if Penn St were inflicted the death penalty, at some point the program would be restored, and you would be back hating on them.

 

Haters gonna hate. It's what you do

No I wouldn't. Just don't like slaps on the wrist. Do their time. I have rooted for PSU... Just not after this Jonestown meets Happy Valley mess. I would still root for them over Notre Dame or Michigan.

 

I am a very forgiving liberal.

[/dev/null]

No I wouldn't. Just don't like slaps on the wrist. Do their time. I have rooted for PSU... Just not after this Jonestown meets Happy Valley mess. I would still root for them over Notre Dame or Michigan.

 

I am a very forgiving liberal.

No, I've read your posts on PPP. You're a bitter liberal

[ExiledInIllinois]

No, I've read your posts on PPP. You're a bitter liberal

You misread tough as bitter. I am anything but bitter. I am blessed.