Lafromboise Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 they had a guest that was on the show(defensive tackle that played for pittsburgh not to long ago) they were talking fantasy WR and sammy came up and he thinks sammy will be gone soon and that he "talked to bills players" and they said they feel the offense opens up more when sammy is not on the field. to be honest im a little confused. discuss? LMK what your thoughts are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lafromboise Posted July 19, 2017 Author Share Posted July 19, 2017 no one? I thought this was really interesting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 I'd love to know what that statement is based on? Did the offense "open up" without Watkins last year, playing only street free agents and Woods? Sounds like someone just saying stuff about a team few follow anyway, so who's going to correct him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 I'd love to know what that statement is based on? Did the offense "open up" without Watkins last year, playing only street free agents and Woods? Sounds like someone just saying stuff about a team few follow anyway, so who's going to correct him? Not sure, but in 2016 we gained 109 fewer yards and score 20 more points than we did in 2015. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 a player or two whining about them forcing attempts Watkins way? Probably the only thing that would lead to a comment like that, comment don't mean much looking at the surrounding cast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 Not sure, but in 2016 we gained 109 fewer yards and score 20 more points than we did in 2015. we were really good in the red zone last year fwiw they had a guest that was on the show(defensive tackle that played for pittsburgh not to long ago) they were talking fantasy WR and sammy came up and he thinks sammy will be gone soon and that he "talked to bills players" and they said they feel the offense opens up more when sammy is not on the field. to be honest im a little confused. discuss? LMK what your thoughts are I dunno - when he wasn't healthy it was like beating a dead horse trying to get him involved. But when he's healthy i think he opens things up quite a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 Sammy Watkins has less YAC in 2 years than Chris Hogan had last year. Get him the ball! Despite what some say, he's really good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in San Diego Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 gmfb? Gay Men's Foot Ball? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNY315 Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 he "talked to bills players" and they said they feel the offense opens up more when sammy is not on the field. This doesn't even make sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 gmfb? Gay Men's Foot Ball? Girly man football bashers. I suspect they were talking about his propensity to drop like a sack of potatoes when contact looks imminent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 they had a guest that was on the show(defensive tackle that played for pittsburgh not to long ago) they were talking fantasy WR and sammy came up and he thinks sammy will be gone soon and that he "talked to bills players" and they said they feel the offense opens up more when sammy is not on the field. to be honest im a little confused. discuss? LMK what your thoughts are Tyrod's numbers didn't change all that much with or without Sammy and we went 5 and 3 - so that should tell you a lot more about Tyrod than Sammy. Sammy Watkins, IMO, is an immensely talented 24 year old. Anyone that says a team is better without him on the field - you should, without hesitation, stop listening to another word they say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lafromboise Posted July 19, 2017 Author Share Posted July 19, 2017 This doesn't even make sense hes an ex football player that played on the steelers last superbowl squad. what I posted up was what he said GMFB stands for "good morning football". its a morning television talk show about football on nfl network if people dont know what it stands for. hes an ex football player that played on the steelers last superbowl squad. what I posted up was what he said GMFB stands for "good morning football". its a morning television talk show about football on nfl network if people dont know what it stands for. but i know what you mean though. Tyrod's numbers didn't change all that much with or without Sammy and we went 5 and 3 - so that should tell you a lot more about Tyrod than Sammy. Sammy Watkins, IMO, is an immensely talented 24 year old. Anyone that says a team is better without him on the field - you should, without hesitation, stop listening to another word they say. its apparently what "bills players said". trust me, I find it weird myself. it was interesting enough to share so.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 (edited) Sounds ridiculous. I personally pay zero attention to most shows like this or pre game shows for a few years now. I'd rather hear some insight from members of this board any day of the week... Sammy might be the best WR in the league at tracking and hauling in the deep ball. He forces defenses to commit a Safety to help , that alone opens up an offense. It's been mind boggling that he rarely gets a screen or slant thrown his way and that should change this year under Dennison. His talent speaks for itself, he's an elite talent. Food for thought- 4/5 OL , Taylor , Shady, Clay and Sammy are now entering year 3 TOGETHER ... They should know each other's playing style like the back of their hand and will make adjusting to a new scheme that much easier. Also , Zay , if he lives up to the hype, is a better compliment to Watkin's than Woods was. This O can be explosive. Edited July 19, 2017 by JerseyBills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macaroni Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 This doesn't even make sense It MAY make sense if they mean that with Sammy on the field the offensive scheme was to "feed him the ball" and when he was not playing it forced them to spread the pass attempts around ... hence "opening up" the offense. IMHO no one in their right mind would think the offense is BETTER without Sammy on the field ... but I could see where it could be more varied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lafromboise Posted July 19, 2017 Author Share Posted July 19, 2017 It MAY make sense if they mean that with Sammy on the field the offensive scheme was to "feed him the ball" and when he was not playing it forced them to spread the pass attempts around ... hence "opening up" the offense. IMHO no one in their right mind would think the offense is BETTER without Sammy on the field ... but I could see where it could be more varied. exactly what i wanted to think. i just couldnt because i feel im a lil slow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 Sounds ridiculous. I personally pay zero attention to most shows like this or pre game shows for a few years now. I'd rather hear some insight from members of this board any day of the week... Sammy might be the best WR in the league at tracking and hauling in the deep ball. He forces defenses to commit a Safety to help , that alone opens up an offense. It's been mind boggling that he rarely gets a screen or slant thrown his way and that should change this year under Dennison. His talent speaks for itself, he's an elite talent. Food for thought- 4/5 OL , Taylor , Shady, Clay and Sammy are now entering year 3 TOGETHER ... They should know each other's playing style like the back of their hand and will make adjusting to a new scheme that much easier. Also , Zay , if he lives up to the hype, is a better compliment to Watkin's than Woods was. This O can be explosive. On the last sentence... I feel like there is some metric on number of plays over 20 years or something like this... and this offense cast or the bulk of the current cast was already tops in whatever the metric was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 On the last sentence... I feel like there is some metric on number of plays over 20 years or something like this... and this offense cast or the bulk of the current cast was already tops in whatever the metric was.I believe it was 20 yard runs but possibly 20 yard offensive plays that we lead or were top 3 in the league. And with this new scheme, it can really be a handful, Taylor and shady running the ball are lethal. We add a weapon like Dimarco to that backfield and Dennison can get extremely creative. We have very unique talent and skillsets on O , making it very tough to prepare for and that's an advantage before the coin is even flipped Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 I believe it was 20 yard runs but possibly 20 yard offensive plays that we lead or were top 3 in the league. And with this new scheme, it can really be a handful, Taylor and shady running the ball are lethal. We add a weapon like Dimarco to that backfield and Dennison can get extremely creative. We have very unique talent and skillsets on O , making it very tough to prepare for and that's an advantage before the coin is even flipped we've been #1 in the league the past 2 years for 'big plays' which are 10+ yard runs and 25+ yard passes. Last year we had 100 (77 Run, 23 Pass), 2015 we had 102 (70 Run, 32 Pass). Over the past 2 years 9.96% of our plays have been 'big plays' which is also the highest rate in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 we were really good in the red zone last year fwiw I dunno - when he wasn't healthy it was like beating a dead horse trying to get him involved. But when he's healthy i think he opens things up quite a bit. I do think he was forced on the field to some degree and then used a decoy. But i have my bias about Rex and some about Watkins Kid was injured, but Bills had nothing in the wings really. Tough situation for all concerned. Go back to 2015 after (get me the ball!! ) and tyrod just chucked it at him often. kid made plays. lotsa plays. Not sure who he really is honestly. but it feels like business more than a love of the game to me. (opinions matter lol ) exactly what i wanted to think. i just couldnt because i feel im a lil slow I appreciate the dialogue, perhaps i am a bit slow as well / I believe it was 20 yard runs but possibly 20 yard offensive plays that we lead or were top 3 in the league. And with this new scheme, it can really be a handful, Taylor and shady running the ball are lethal. We add a weapon like Dimarco to that backfield and Dennison can get extremely creative. We have very unique talent and skillsets on O , making it very tough to prepare for and that's an advantage before the coin is even flipped The potential is real. If Bills can do a bit better protecting the right in passpro.... please do not let this turn into a Tyrod rant folks it was mentioned astutely, That Sammy has not been used as his college career might suggest. YAC was his thing. I hope Ricky D makes use of what SW and McCoy can do when the O line is moving. The team looks like it can pound between the tackles or open it up outside the hashes this year. I do not want to get my hopes too high. But on paper... we've been #1 in the league the past 2 years for 'big plays' which are 10+ yard runs and 25+ yard passes. Last year we had 100 (77 Run, 23 Pass), 2015 we had 102 (70 Run, 32 Pass). Over the past 2 years 9.96% of our plays have been 'big plays' which is also the highest rate in the league. Thanks for relaying pleasant stats Hokie. Very nice. Reinforcing some positives is okay by me ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
folz Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 (edited) I think that intel may be at least a year old. I remember hearing a rumor similar to that not last season, but the one before. Tyrod and Rex's first year. That either they were forcing too many balls to Sammy, even if he was covered, or Tyrod was staring him down a bit and some players thought the offense was better when the ball got spread around more. So, that would have been after Sammy called for the ball more and maybe while he was having that really good stretch at the end of 2015. Maybe that sentiment carried over a bit to last year, but with Sammy being out so much and the rest of the receiving core now having basically turned over, not to mention a new coaching staff, I don't think this is the current thought by anyone on the team, but instead was how some guys felt like a year or more ago. At least that's my recollection and assumption. Edited July 20, 2017 by folz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 we've been #1 in the league the past 2 years for 'big plays' which are 10+ yard runs and 25+ yard passes. Last year we had 100 (77 Run, 23 Pass), 2015 we had 102 (70 Run, 32 Pass). Over the past 2 years 9.96% of our plays have been 'big plays' which is also the highest rate in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 we've been #1 in the league the past 2 years for 'big plays' which are 10+ yard runs and 25+ yard passes. Last year we had 100 (77 Run, 23 Pass), 2015 we had 102 (70 Run, 32 Pass). Over the past 2 years 9.96% of our plays have been 'big plays' which is also the highest rate in the league. I think this is an interesting stat because some folks out there seem to think we have a popgun offense. We don't. Our offense has been producing both big plays and points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manbeast Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 I do think he was forced on the field to some degree and then used a decoy. But i have my bias about Rex and some about Watkins Kid was injured, but Bills had nothing in the wings really. Tough situation for all concerned. Go back to 2015 after (get me the ball!! ) and tyrod just chucked it at him often. kid made plays. lotsa plays. Not sure who he really is honestly. but it feels like business more than a love of the game to me. (opinions matter lol ) There was another WR that was exactly that, his name was Jerry Rice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 (edited) Talking about Fantasy WR ratings and especially Donte Moncrief. Watkins is listed 20th. Burleson (at 36:07): You wouldn't take (Brandin Cooks) over Sammy Watkins? Brandt: I like to roll the dice, I go Cooks. Adams: No, I would take Sammy, I think Sammy Watkins has a way higher ceiling than Moncrief. Burleson: Really? Adams: If Sammy Watkins is healthy, yeah. Willie Colon: I think Sammy's foot ... in two years we may not see Sammy on the field no more. Burleson: No kidding? Willie Colon: And I think talking to the powers that be, I know some guys up in Buffalo, and they feel like even when he's off the field, it opens up the offense, 'cause now Tyrod's not focused on Sammy. It gives other guys opportunity to shine. So Sammy may be on the downslide of things. Adams: So you're taking Moncrief over Sammy. Colon: I am. That's what was said, as exactly as I could transcribe. we've been #1 in the league the past 2 years for 'big plays' which are 10+ yard runs and 25+ yard passes. Last year we had 100 (77 Run, 23 Pass), 2015 we had 102 (70 Run, 32 Pass). Over the past 2 years 9.96% of our plays have been 'big plays' which is also the highest rate in the league. Big plays: 100, which was 1st in the league Big rush plays: 77, which was also 1st in the league, and only three teams were over 60 Big pass plays: 23, which was 28th in the league Interesting. Edited July 20, 2017 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Quint Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 Talking about Fantasy WR ratings and especially Donte Moncrief. Watkins is listed 20th. Burleson (at 36:07): You wouldn't take (Brandin Cooks) over Sammy Watkins? Brandt: I like to roll the dice, I go Cooks. Adams: No, I would take Sammy, I think Sammy Watkins has a way higher ceiling than Moncrief. Burleson: Really? Adams: If Sammy Watkins is healthy, yeah. Willie Colon: I think Sammy's foot ... in two years we may not see Sammy on the field no more. Burleson: No kidding? Willie Colon: And I think talking to the powers that be, I know some guys up in Buffalo, and they feel like even when he's off the field, it opens up the offense, 'cause now Tyrod's not focused on Sammy. It gives other guys opportunity to shine. So Sammy may be on the downslide of things. Adams: So you're taking Moncrief over Sammy. Colon: I am. That's what was said, as exactly as I could transcribe. Big plays: 100, which was 1st in the league Big rush plays: 77, which was also 1st in the league, and only three teams were over 60 Big pass plays: 23, which was 28th in the league Interesting. This makes it sound like Willie is trying to justify his opinion. Who are the 'Powers that be up in Buffalo' that Willie Colon knows anyway? Predicting that he'll be out of football in 2yrs due to his foot is borderline crazy talk, and meant to stir the pot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 Big plays: 100, which was 1st in the league Big rush plays: 77, which was also 1st in the league, and only three teams were over 60 Big pass plays: 23, which was 28th in the league Interesting. Tyrod had 22 of the 77 (almost as many as he had big passes lol) on 95 run attempts. Shady had 34 on 234, MG had 16 on 101. It's also not surprising considering in 2015 Sammy caught 13 of our 32 big passes. This year he caught 3. What I found more interesting was that the D allowed 98 big plays, which was 2nd most in the league. Giving us a +/- of only +2. The Cowboys, who had the 2nd most big plays at 96, had a +/- of +35. In case you were wondering, Zeke had 48 big runs on his 322 attempts. Dak contributed another 12 on 57 attempts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 Girly man football bashers. I suspect they were talking about his propensity to drop like a sack of potatoes when contact looks imminent. I never understood why people have an issue with this. Why do you want your best receiver to be a crash test dummy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 they had a guest that was on the show(defensive tackle that played for pittsburgh not to long ago) they were talking fantasy WR and sammy came up and he thinks sammy will be gone soon and that he "talked to bills players" and they said they feel the offense opens up more when sammy is not on the field. to be honest im a little confused. discuss? LMK what your thoughts are Just don't buy this. There's got to be a misunderstanding or misrepresentation somewhere. The Bills O is clearly better and more 'open' when Sammy's healthy and on the field. Let's hope he's not gone soon. He is injury prone but he's by far the best WR on the roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 Sammy Watkins has less YAC in 2 years than Chris Hogan had last year. Get him the ball! Despite what some say, he's really good. And to think YAC was supposed to be his strength coming out of Clemson. Sammy has shown moments of brilliance, but he has to show health and consistency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheElectricCompany Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 He hasn't been able to practice much the past few years, that can be the only "hindrance" I could see for his teammates, but I'm not buying it . Sammy might be the best WR in the league at tracking and hauling in the deep ball. Here we go again... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 And to think YAC was supposed to be his strength coming out of Clemson. Sammy has shown moments of brilliance, but he has to show health and consistency. The Greg Roman passing offense doesn't get YAC really. Its a lot of out routes, dig routes, go routes, occasional posts. No RB screens, no slants, no bubble screens. Watching guys like landry and antonio brown rack up catches and yards by essentially running the ball with screens, quick slants, and drags must drive sammy crazy. Considering that is what he excelled at in college. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 The Greg Roman passing offense doesn't get YAC really. Its a lot of out routes, dig routes, go routes, occasional posts. No RB screens, no slants, no bubble screens. Watching guys like landry and antonio brown rack up catches and yards by essentially running the ball with screens, quick slants, and drags must drive sammy crazy. Considering that is what he excelled at in college. It's not all on Roman, I did hate his passing concepts but like anything else it's a combination of factors. Roman, Taylor and Watkins all have their own level of accountability with this one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 (edited) It's not all on Roman, I did hate his passing concepts but like anything else it's a combination of factors. Roman, Taylor and Watkins all have their own level of accountability with this one https://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/RomaGr0.htm He had a concept of running the ball and not turning it over. If that's the goal, you first off need to have a good defense. The 2nd thing you have to do is simplify passing concepts to avoid high traffic areas, and "throwing people open". He probably had a lower 3 and out % in SF because Gore is more of a hard nosed running back, and McCoy has a tendency to get negative plays. Edited July 20, 2017 by dneveu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 He hasn't been able to practice much the past few years, that can be the only "hindrance" I could see for his teammates, but I'm not buying it . Here we go again... I know it's a strong statement, I should have said one of the best ,which I think is an accurate and fair statement. Not many WR can locate the ball and maintain possession like Sammy when it comes to the deep ball, at least imo, what do you think?? And like many posters are saying, his major strength coming out of Clemson was taking a screen, slant , any short pass and killing a defense. Why Roman, Hackett and St Douglas Marrone didon't use him that way is mind boggling to me.. Dennison's scheme should give him plenty of targets within 5 yards of the L.O.S, and if he can come close to what we saw at Clemson, he'd be an absolute handful for CB's to deal with, and one of the more well rounded WR in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 Talking about Fantasy WR ratings and especially Donte Moncrief. Watkins is listed 20th. Burleson (at 36:07): You wouldn't take (Brandin Cooks) over Sammy Watkins? Brandt: I like to roll the dice, I go Cooks. Adams: No, I would take Sammy, I think Sammy Watkins has a way higher ceiling than Moncrief. Burleson: Really? Adams: If Sammy Watkins is healthy, yeah. Willie Colon: I think Sammy's foot ... in two years we may not see Sammy on the field no more. Burleson: No kidding? Willie Colon: And I think talking to the powers that be, I know some guys up in Buffalo, and they feel like even when he's off the field, it opens up the offense, 'cause now Tyrod's not focused on Sammy. It gives other guys opportunity to shine. So Sammy may be on the downslide of things. Adams: So you're taking Moncrief over Sammy. Colon: I am. That's what was said, as exactly as I could transcribe. Big plays: 100, which was 1st in the league Big rush plays: 77, which was also 1st in the league, and only three teams were over 60 Big pass plays: 23, which was 28th in the league Interesting. Does Willie have a history of concussions? He really got on National TV and said he believes Watkins will retire or be unable to play because of the foot at 26 years of age! Yet every report has been positive as far as his recovery has gone.. That is one of the most absurd statements I've heard in recent memory from a TV personality. After reading that, his credibility went so far out the window. He follows it up by claiming the "powers that be" in the Bills organization has told him of all people, some fairly negative comments about our 24 year old, # 1 WR. Thanks for this post, it's beyond ridiculous what was said. He needs a CTE scan immediately! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheElectricCompany Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 (edited) I know it's a strong statement, I should have said one of the best ,which I think is an accurate and fair statement. Not many WR can locate the ball and maintain possession like Sammy when it comes to the deep ball, at least imo, what do you think?? And like many posters are saying, his major strength coming out of Clemson was taking a screen, slant , any short pass and killing a defense. Why Roman, Hackett and St Douglas Marrone didon't use him that way is mind boggling to me.. Dennison's scheme should give him plenty of targets within 5 yards of the L.O.S, and if he can come close to what we saw at Clemson, he'd be an absolute handful for CB's to deal with, and one of the more well rounded WR in the league. Dennison's scheme saw reduced production from both Thomas and Sanders in Denver the past two seasons, and they are much more established and proven then Sammy. Instead of finding ways to get arguably the #1 WR duo in the league the ball, they preferred to hand off to bum RBs behind a garbage OL. I hope he can incorporate an offense that highlights Sammy's abilities, but he didn't exactly sell me in Denver on how he could do that. I would argue that D.Thomas is the premier quick screen/slant WR in the league (him and Manning CRUSHED teams with that play) and you rarely saw that in 15 & 16. What do you think is more likely, that all those coaches couldn't spot brilliance in front of them, or that Sammy just isn't all he's cracked up to be? I think you can tell how I feel... Sammy is a good player with plenty to work with, but there isn't enough to say he is the best at anything or elite at this point in his career. More consistency and production will help. Pump the brakes. Edited July 20, 2017 by TheElectricCompany Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 (edited) Dennison's scheme saw reduced production from both Thomas and Sanders in Denver the past two seasons, and they are much more established and proven then Sammy. Instead of finding ways to get arguably the #1 WR duo in the league the ball, they preferred to hand off to bum RBs behind a garbage OL. I hope he can incorporate an offense that highlights Sammy's abilities, but he didn't exactly sell me in Denver on how he could do that. I would argue that D.Thomas is the premier quick screen/slant WR in the league (him and Manning CRUSHED teams with that play) and you rarely saw that in 15 & 16. What do you think is more likely, that all those coaches couldn't spot brilliance in front of them, or that Sammy just isn't all he's cracked up to be? I think you can tell how I feel... Sammy is a good player with plenty to work with, but there isn't enough to say he is the best at anything or elite at this point in his career. More consistency and production will help. Pump the brakes. Both had 1000+ yards and 5 TDs. Yes a decline, but they also had Siemien and Lynch at QB. Sub 60% passers. Year before they had noodle-arm manning, and Brock O. I don't know that his scheme was the result or just the massive decline in QBs from 2014-2015/2016. But he's also never had like... a premier unit at any stage. I like the fact that he's had both good passing and good running units though. That makes me think he'll adjust to player strengths. Edited July 20, 2017 by dneveu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheElectricCompany Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 (edited) Both had 1000+ yards and 5 TDs. Yes a decline, but they also had Siemien and Lynch at QB. Sub 60% passers. Year before they had noodle-arm manning, and Brock O. I don't know that his scheme was the result or just the massive decline in QBs from 2014-2015/2016. But he's also never had like... a premier unit at any stage. I like the fact that he's had both good passing and good running units though. That makes me think he'll adjust to player strengths. All the more reason to incorporate quick throws where proven receivers can break a tackle and get downfield. These are the same guys who took the greatest QB of our generation and made him run play action bootlegs and take snaps from center at 37 years old. I'm just not jumping with joy on the offense being this finely tuned machine where all player strengths are capitalized. Edited July 20, 2017 by TheElectricCompany Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 Dennison's scheme saw reduced production from both Thomas and Sanders in Denver the past two seasons, and they are much more established and proven then Sammy. Instead of finding ways to get arguably the #1 WR duo in the league the ball, they preferred to hand off to bum RBs behind a garbage OL. I hope he can incorporate an offense that highlights Sammy's abilities, but he didn't exactly sell me in Denver on how he could do that. I would argue that D.Thomas is the premier quick screen/slant WR in the league (him and Manning CRUSHED teams with that play) and you rarely saw that in 15 & 16. What do you think is more likely, that all those coaches couldn't spot brilliance in front of them, or that Sammy just isn't all he's cracked up to be? I think you can tell how I feel... Sammy is a good player with plenty to work with, but there isn't enough to say he is the best at anything or elite at this point in his career. More consistency and production will help. Pump the brakes. Both had 1000+ yards and 5 TDs. Yes a decline, but they also had Siemien and Lynch at QB. Sub 60% passers. Year before they had noodle-arm manning, and Brock O. I don't know that his scheme was the result or just the massive decline in QBs from 2014-2015/2016. But he's also never had like... a premier unit at any stage. I like the fact that he's had both good passing and good running units though. That makes me think he'll adjust to player strengths. dennison was at the helm of the offense in houston that saw foster and johnson routinely have big/huge seasons. so i'm not worried about him having trouble utilizing the talent he has on this team like electric company hints towards. not to mention what dneveu just stated.... two 1,000 yd receivers in denver last year with average qb play. dennison has a fairly solid track record. and as far as watkin goes? he obviously has a ton to prove but i would also argue from the small sample size of him being healthy that he's arguably one of the best at tracking down those deep ones. i also think its absurd to think he's all of a sudden lost the ability to make hay in the short passing game. it was a HUGE part of his game in college and part of what made him an elite prospect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 (edited) Both had 1000+ yards and 5 TDs. Yes a decline, but they also had Siemien and Lynch at QB. Sub 60% passers. Year before they had noodle-arm manning, and Brock O. I don't know that his scheme was the result or just the massive decline in QBs from 2014-2015/2016. But he's also never had like... a premier unit at any stage. I like the fact that he's had both good passing and good running units though. That makes me think he'll adjust to player strengths. It's fine to excel in one area as long as that don't mean you totally suck in another. As an NFL coordinator his passing concepts were deemed "elementary" and we had an extended conversation about how guys like Greg Berdard broke down his calls and the route trees didn't even match the QB drops. If he could have come up with some average play calling in the passing game they would have had a better handle on who TT is or isn't. I'm interested to see why Dennison does and how TT reacts. Edited July 20, 2017 by Commonsense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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