26CornerBlitz Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 (edited) @RapSheet #Bills coach Sean McDermott discussed bringing in Al Holcomb as his DC… I’m told the name to watch now is #Ravens DBs coach Leslie Frazier Edited January 13, 2017 by 26CornerBlitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 (edited) I prefer Holcomb personally. Though if they lose out in McCoy i really could see McDermott wanting a coach on his staff with former HC experience Edited January 12, 2017 by MAJBobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 12, 2017 Author Share Posted January 12, 2017 I prefer Holcomb personally Maybe Rivera doesn't want him to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 Maybe Rivera doesn't want him to go. Doesnt matter Lber coach to DC promotion. Has to let him go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 I prefer Holcomb personally. Though if they lose out in McCoy i really could see McDermott wanting a coach on his staff with former HC experience Frazier is a highly respected coach. He would be a great get. They may both come. Money talks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaaadThingsMan Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 Doesnt matter Lber coach to DC promotion. Has to let him go.unless he promotes him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 Doesnt matter Lber coach to DC promotion. Has to let him go. Not true at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 Doesnt matter Lber coach to DC promotion. Has to let him go. NFL considers an assistant to assistant a " lateral move" not a promotion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heitz Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 Frazier is a highly respected coach. He would be a great get. 💯 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 unless he promotes him Then then they lose their DB coach (who has already been tabbed to take the defense) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM57 Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 NFL considers an assistant to assistant a " lateral move" not a promotion The league calls it a lateral move, but the coaches know its not. It's definitely frowned upon to not let someone go though for something that's a promotion like position coach to coordinator. Especially in this case where Steve Wilks is going to replace McDermott as DC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BmarvB Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 Frazier would be welcome here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwight in philly Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 i could be wrong , but wasnt frazier a candidate to be a H/C here a few years ago? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 <--- HAPPY CAMPER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 NFL considers an assistant to assistant a " lateral move" not a promotion Thought that rule was changed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 i could be wrong , but wasnt frazier a candidate to be a H/C here a few years ago? He was HC of the Vikings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iommi Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 Frazier interviewed with the Bills in 2010. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 (edited) Either way it is easy. Hire Holcumb as DC and assistant HC there promotion cant be blocked And i knew it cant be blocked and Postion Coach to Coordinator is a promotion If the Bears wanted to hire away a team's contracted quarterbacks coach to run their offense, there would be nothing that could stop them, because going from a QB Coach to an Offensive Coordinator would be a step up. For example; If Chicago had their eye on Pittsburgh Steelers QB Coach Ken Anderson, they could hire him to be their new Offensive Coordinator, but not as a QB Coach (no lateral moves). Another example; If the Bears were interested in Kyle Shanahan, current offensive coordinator of the Houston Texans, they wouldn't be able to hire him as their new OC unless they added the Assistant Head Coach title in addition to his coordinator duties. Now if either of these two have their contracts expire after the 2009 season they'd essentially be free to sign with any team for any position. https://www.google.com/amp/www.windycitygridiron.com/platform/amp/2009/11/25/1173920/rules-on-hiring-nfl-coaches?client=safari Edited January 12, 2017 by MAJBobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 Doesnt matter Lber coach to DC promotion. Has to let him go. I don't think that's true. Only if it's a promotion to HC. Most teams will give permission, but they don't have to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 Either way it is easy. Hire Holcumb as DC and assistant HC there promotion cant be blocked And i knew it cant be blocked and Postion Coach to Coordinator is a promotion If the Bears wanted to hire away a team's contracted quarterbacks coach to run their offense, there would be nothing that could stop them, because going from a QB Coach to an Offensive Coordinator would be a step up. For example; If Chicago had their eye on Pittsburgh Steelers QB Coach Ken Anderson, they could hire him to be their new Offensive Coordinator, but not as a QB Coach (no lateral moves). Another example; If the Bears were interested in Kyle Shanahan, current offensive coordinator of the Houston Texans, they wouldn't be able to hire him as their new OC unless they added the Assistant Head Coach title in addition to his coordinator duties. Now if either of these two have their contracts expire after the 2009 season they'd essentially be free to sign with any team for any position. https://www.google.com/amp/www.windycitygridiron.com/platform/amp/2009/11/25/1173920/rules-on-hiring-nfl-coaches?client=safari Incorrect. The league has only 2 categories for coaches: assistant and head. There is no third category for coordinators Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 Incorrect. The league has only 2 categories for coaches: assistant and head. There is no third category for coordinators Back up that information. Because i just posted information where that says otherwise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 Back up that information. Because i just posted information where that says otherwise Here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d_wag Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 Your info is 7 years old, recent example http://www.csnphilly.com/philadelphia-eagles/report-eagles-block-jets-interviewing-qb-coach-john-defilippo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 I'll let my assistants handle the busy work Your info is 7 years old, recent examplehttp://www.csnphilly.com/philadelphia-eagles/report-eagles-block-jets-interviewing-qb-coach-john-defilippo Here jk, thanks guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanInUticaTampa Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 Frazier is a highly respected coach. He would be a great get. They may both come. Money talks. Although I would agree with this, his terrible defense was a huge reason lovie smith got fired in tampa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 (edited) HereBut again nothing in there says it can be blocked or permission given. Just a 15 day exclusive negotiation windo for expiring contracts. I guess they could be a dick and say nope not good enough to run our defense Wilkes is but stick around here because we are blocking an advancement oppertunity But i am wrong i admit it. Kind of a ****ty rule and should be changed maybe you would see some more diversity in the coaching ranks Edited January 12, 2017 by MAJBobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 Frazier is a highly respected coach. He would be a great get. They may both come. Money talks. I remember when he was considered a hot up-and-comer. Then the frigid air of Minnesota cooled his reputation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Original Byrd Man Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 NFL considers an assistant to assistant a " lateral move" not a promotion Very true only a HC job can not be stopped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooklynBills Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 I would think if they block his advancement, he would just bolt to here when his contract is up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 Isn't Frazier a cover 2, fairly conservative coach? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 Although I would agree with this, his terrible defense was a huge reason lovie smith got fired in tampa That's a tough division for defense facing Brees, Ryan, and Newton. I don't look a whole lot at basic stats, they rarely tell the story. He is a respected coach that won't underachieve IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 Have you guys figured out if a duck can be promoted to a turkey yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dezertbill Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 Frazier would be a great get. This is McDermotts defense. To have someone as knowledgeable to know how to instill game plans and tweak different nuances from past experience and not confuse the players would be awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 @RapSheet #Bills coach Sean McDermott discussed bringing in Al Holcomb as his DC Im told the name to watch now is #Ravens DBs coach Leslie Frazier I guessed him right back when the news of McDermott first broke. Fellow Jim Johnson guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 I guessed him right back when the news of McDermott first broke. Fellow Jim Johnson guy. We're just ahead of the curve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 Frazier would be a great get. This is McDermotts defense. To have someone as knowledgeable to know how to instill game plans and tweak different nuances from past experience and not confuse the players would be awesome. This is what I think. McDermott is going to install his defense and I imagine will call defensive signals. The OC is 10x the more important hire. The DC here needs to be one of two things, a very solid, experienced guy who used to be a HC and can help McD out - a guy just like Frazier - or an up and coming whiz kid who is on his way to being a great DC in a few years. Both the other guys rumored, John Butler and Al Holcomb, fit that bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Doug Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 The league calls it a lateral move, but the coaches know its not. It's definitely frowned upon to not let someone go though for something that's a promotion like position coach to coordinator. Especially in this case where Steve Wilks is going to replace McDermott as DC Yep. Bills tried to pull this will assistants when Pettine left. It didn't work out. If an assistant wants to leave, they obviously should be made to continue in their current position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 Isn't Frazier a cover 2, fairly conservative coach? Isn't that what McDermott does? Rush 4, play a lot of zone and throw in the occasional blitz? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 Isn't that what McDermott does? Rush 4, play a lot of zone and throw in the occasional blitz? Some truth to this. They mix up their coverages more than what you might term a traditional Jim Johnson defense but what McDermott does do is attack the A gap early and often. Watching the Panthers you often see the first blitz they call in a game is a double A gap blitz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 Some truth to this. They mix up their coverages more than what you might term a traditional Jim Johnson defense but what McDermott does do is attack the A gap early and often. Watching the Panthers you often see the first blitz they call in a game is a double A gap blitz. I'm all for a double smacking of Brady up the A gap, early and often! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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