dubs Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 39 minutes ago, Gary Busey said: Do the Republicans who have put out statements basically saying we overreacted and to expect a war as a knee jerk reaction sicken you as well? Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 how can anyone get sickened by silly statements from both sides it's all political theatre and a big comedy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, dubs said: Yes Answers like yours confuse leftists like Gary and Tibs because independent thought is not a leftist's strong suit. It's impossible for them to believe that right-leaning people can be critical of right-leaning politicians. Notice how they laughed when Obama and Hillary left people to die in Benghazi, but are apologetic to Iran when their murderous leaders are killed. Tells you all you need to know about leftists. There isn't clean pair of leftist panties west of the Mississippi this morning. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 1 hour ago, John Adams said: I've said many times that I like that he's getting us out of war, his aggressive stance vs China on trade, and his conservative judicial appointments. You just believe the simple narratives here that everyone outside of the conspiracy boyz gang is a simple D or R lemming, and in so believing, are yourself a lemming. I just asked for the documentation. Your projection is showing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, bdutton said: This is a major escalation. Not sure I agree with it. I need more information on who this guy was and just how much he personally had to do with the deaths of Americans. He led the Iranian backed insurgency into Iraq since the war began, he provided them with logistics, supplies, and intelligence. 2 out of every 3 IEDs on the ground which took out troops can be traced back to his hands (per boots on the ground in theater). We lost more Americans to the IRGC and its proxies than to AQ or ISIS. He also led the brutal crackdown on the Iranian people inside Iran the past two years (and longer). He also helped plan/fund the Benghazi operation. He also was heavily involved in the atrocities in Syria. Suleimani was the head of their IRGC, head of their intelligence services (defacto), as well as the "chosen" successor to the Mullahs should they fall. He was a MAJOR bad guy. Removing him from the board makes peace more likely, not less. He's not easily replaced because by his nature he was a paranoid SOB who had cut himself out a large swath of power -- and he didn't share well with others. This will help the protesters on the ground in both Iraq and Iran, it'll speed up the Mullah's exit. Will the Mullahs do something stupid in response? Maybe... if they can. But it'll be meek because we've been kicking their ass for three years with almost zero coverage of it in several theaters. Fear not. This was a good day for the world. Not a bad day. Edited January 3, 2020 by Deranged Rhino typo/clarity 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedge Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DC Tom Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 1 minute ago, Hedge said: 1) No, he was assassinated. There's nothing wrong with admitting that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 7 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said: Answers like yours confuse leftists like Gary and Tibs because independent thought is not a leftist's strong suit. It's impossible for them to believe that right-leaning people can be critical of right-leaning politicians. Notice how they laughed when Obama and Hillary left people to die in Benghazi, but are apologetic to Iran when their murderous leaders are killed. Tells you all you need to know about leftists. There isn't clean pair of leftist panties west of the Mississippi this morning. You are a complete idiot. Toilet scum has better reasoning skills than you. Ditz 2 minutes ago, Hedge said: And this will change all that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albwan Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 1 hour ago, dubs said: It’s sickening how the Dems react to these things. I can understand the desire to be measured when it comes to these issues, but to put out statement after statement basically saying we overreacted and to expect a war as a knee jerk reaction is a joke. Agreed, also anthropologists should investigate to see if they are even in the same species of human beings or some animal offshoot. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 https://twitter.com/ejmalrai/status/1213005297943494656 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 1 hour ago, keepthefaith said: Mostly, I'm unhappy we went into Iraq and have stayed there. Mostly, I'm surprised that Iran went into Iraq and stayed there, and started having control over the Iraqi government and militias; and receiving $$ from Iraq for doing it (getting around sanctions). These two countries fought two awful, bloody wars with each other. And that's a result of us going into Iraq in the first place -- and mostly but not entirely leaving. 2 hours ago, DC Tom said: I keep that in mind while I'm criticizing. And there's a good bit to criticize here - as was pointed out somewhere else, this is another example of Trump understanding tactics but not strategy. Or (the optimistic view) is that we don't have the full story. The timing and overt reasoning of this seems like we're taking advantage of the Embassy provocation -- finally saying enough is enough with this guy. And at the same time there's massive protests against Hezbollah in Lebanon, and Iranian involvement in Iraqi governance, and in Iran (their internal protests). This assassination could be also seen as taking advantage of those developments. I mean, even in the short term, there's got to be some destabilization of Iranian operations in the region and the message that Iran isn't the local power they want to be. I don't think the President (or any President for that matter) comes up with the pluses and minuses of acts like these in a vacuum. He's got to be advised by somebody. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 7 minutes ago, Tiberius said: You are a complete idiot. Toilet scum has better reasoning skills than you. Ditz And this will change all that? You actually invested time in determining if toilet scum is sentient or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 U.S. Strike in Iraq Kills Qassim Suleimani, Commander of Iranian Forces ... In Iran, the leadership convened an emergency security meeting. And the country’s supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, issued a statement calling for three days of public mourning and then retaliation. ... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tiberius Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said: Oh yes, we will be waiting with baited breath from Rand Paul to filibuster again about drone strikes. Piff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 7 hours ago, Turk71 said: No, I think he is under the impression that Trump thinks starting wars is a powerful tool for reelection purposes. I hope people realize that a conventional war with Iran will require a draft and will incur the deaths of a great many people. I don't belong to a party, I have my own ideas of life, liberty, and justice and do not need to follow the talking points of self serving so called civil servants from either party. Life is precious and to throw kids lives away for political points and vanity is just plain sickening. I think most people realize that there are precious few real options available when it comes to the Middle East. I cannot imagine one sensible American who thinks a conventional war with Iran (or any other country in that region) leads to any real victory. I agree with you on the lives being thrown away, and it truly pains me to say it because of the respect i have for the military and those who serve and the losses they suffer. The reality is that in a conflict, any conflict really, we're an election away from the mindset changing, and even more depressing---almost from the moment conflict occurs, there is always a politician willing to politicize the action taking a contrarian view. My hope it that President Trump was being truthful when he said, for all intents and purposes, that sending Americans to die in perpetual wars is a national disgrace. My hope is that the war hawks don't convince him he was wrong to think that. I think the notion that in this case, he's chosen the action to divert attention from his impeachment/non-impeachment/maybe impeachment gotta-jack-the-polls is sort of silly. He's popular with his base, the dems are punching at smoke from a fire that seems to move on a daily basis, and lacked 100% support from their own pack of hyenas. I'm not convinced the attack on the convoy was the right move, but on the other hand I have no idea what the intel showed as it related to these particular cretins. That might be nice to know before we judge the mission one way or the other. The consensus is these were bad humans, that the evidence was there that they took the lives of Americans in the past and would have continued on that path in the future. I'm always struck by the notion that somehow, military action of this nature will somehow make this particular sort of enemy hate us more. If this is the case, why worry about a murderer like Bin Laden, effectively sequestered and neutered in a cave in goat-$#@$ country with his merry band of scumbags scattered to the winds. Most definitely agree with you in principle. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 2 hours ago, John Adams said: This is an action that's hard to judge until we see the consequences. If all we see is sabre-rattling and Iran stands down a bit, great. If this escalates, problem. Iran is in a sticky situation. One the one hand, they have limited resources to mount a meaningful strike against the US - and any retaliation they engage in has to be limited to prevent pissing us off, resulting in escalating tit-for-tat measures, which they cannot win. On the other hand, they cannot simply do nothing and look weak, especially with the amount of internal unrest going on there. They've painted themselves into an interesting corner. I suspect we may see Iran doing the equivalent of Clinton firing cruise missiles at empty tents in Afghanistan to 'retaliate' at al Qaeda, before he left office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 1 hour ago, DC Tom said: I keep that in mind while I'm criticizing. And there's a good bit to criticize here - as was pointed out somewhere else, this is another example of Trump understanding tactics but not strategy. Or, as I pointed out, another example of Trump understanding marketing but nothing else. The IRGC is a professional military force, intended to take losses and survive without degredation of capabilities. Killing Solemani is analogous to Iran assassinating General McKenzie (current CENTCOM commander) - nice propaganda win, but doesn't degrade US capabilities a damn, and results in Hell being rained down Iran's head. Maybe this bridges the tactical and strategic(with liberal borrowing from past Homeland plots.) Let's go back to the drone downing and attacks on the Saudi refineries, and the speculation around that time that the attacks were not "fully" approved by the mullahs and there was probably a faction within IRCG and Quds that wanted to escalate the conflict. If Trump's only mode was tit-for-tat responses, that would have been the more obvious time to strike back, and was probably expected by that Iranian element. But nothing happened, because Trump has shown patience to execute the counterattack to wait for a better time for him (like we're still waiting for the reveal on the 12th). It's also likely that there were pretty serious discussions behind the scenes to figure out the factions and try to turn the side that didn't like the escalation. Which brings us to this week and the very rapid turn of events starting with a random attack on a US installation in Iraq, USA's destruction of militia outpost, the storming of the Embassy, and the immediate killing of Soleimani. Although these seem like randomly connected parts with Trump acting on impulse, if you take a step back, you'd see that it's very hard for this kind of an operation to be carried out on a whim (Folks already forgot about the additional 4K troops deployed to the area last month). The critical part of the last sequence is USA's precise knowledge not just of Soleimani's travel log but the specific convoy he was in, since there were apparently three to choose from. If you argue that the US just got lucky, then why not shoot down all three convoys to make sure they get the guy? All this hints that US was getting very strong intel from inside the Iranian camp, and that this has been in planning for a long time, which possibly includes plans for the next step. If you believe in a diplomatic solution, then a crucial step is to remove the impediment in Iran to that solution. Iran's economy is on its back and internal unrest is growing. Their only options are to sit down with Trump, or go down in a blaze of glory. All signs are pointing to Soleimani being the voice of going down with the ship, so he needed to be removed. This theory will be tested in the next week by actions inside and outside Iran. Funny part is if it was anyone but Trump in charge, people would be talking about the brilliant execution of taking down a sworn enemy. 18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 19 minutes ago, GG said: Maybe this bridges the tactical and strategic(with liberal borrowing from past Homeland plots.) Let's go back to the drone downing and attacks on the Saudi refineries, and the speculation around that time that the attacks were not "fully" approved by the mullahs and there was probably a faction within IRCG and Quds that wanted to escalate the conflict. If Trump's only mode was tit-for-tat responses, that would have been the more obvious time to strike back, and was probably expected by that Iranian element. But nothing happened, because Trump has shown patience to execute the counterattack to wait for a better time for him (like we're still waiting for the reveal on the 12th). It's also likely that there were pretty serious discussions behind the scenes to figure out the factions and try to turn the side that didn't like the escalation. Which brings us to this week and the very rapid turn of events starting with a random attack on a US installation in Iraq, USA's destruction of militia outpost, the storming of the Embassy, and the immediate killing of Soleimani. Although these seem like randomly connected parts with Trump acting on impulse, if you take a step back, you'd see that it's very hard for this kind of an operation to be carried out on a whim (Folks already forgot about the additional 4K troops deployed to the area last month). The critical part of the last sequence is USA's precise knowledge not just of Soleimani's travel log but the specific convoy he was in, since there were apparently three to choose from. If you argue that the US just got lucky, then why not shoot down all three convoys to make sure they get the guy? All this hints that US was getting very strong intel from inside the Iranian camp, and that this has been in planning for a long time, which possibly includes plans for the next step. If you believe in a diplomatic solution, then a crucial step is to remove the impediment in Iran to that solution. Iran's economy is on its back and internal unrest is growing. Their only options are to sit down with Trump, or go down in a blaze of glory. All signs are pointing to Soleimani being the voice of going down with the ship, so he needed to be removed. This theory will be tested in the next week by actions inside and outside Iran. Funny part is if it was anyone but Trump in charge, people would be talking about the brilliant execution of taking down a sworn enemy. ...nicely done...….fair and accurate assessment..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 23 minutes ago, GG said: Funny part is if it was anyone but Trump in charge, people would be talking about the brilliant execution of taking down a sworn enemy. I was thinking this morning how long the left would have mourned if Trump were president on 9/11. My guess is about 30 seconds of mourning before they jumped on Trump for causing the attack, and apologizing to terrorists for Trump making them angry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 Two fake news sources Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 A good article on mourning cycles with respect to 9/11 he didn't foresee TDS being a permanent state of anger and screaming http://sodacity.net/system/files/Thomas_de_Zengotita_Numbing_American_Mind.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 6 minutes ago, Gary Busey said: Two fake news sources What are you talking about? This was reported last night as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 Pulling us out of the middle east! Stable genius at it again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 1 minute ago, GG said: What are you talking about? This was reported last night as well. I saw 750 reported last night. This says "three thousand or so" and "3,500" - that's a lot of troops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 America just took out the world’s no. 1 bad guy CNBC, by Jake Novak Original Article So, just who is this top Iranian general the U.S. just eliminated? For many of us who watch and analyze news out of the Middle East daily, he was the world’s number one bad guy. Qassim Soleimani has been in control of Iran’s Quds Force for more than 20 years. His current greatest hits include helping Bashar al Assad slaughter hundreds of thousands of his own people in the Syrian civil war, stoking the Houthis in Yemen’s civil war, and overseeing the killing of hundreds of Iraqi protesters recently demonstrating against Iranian influence in their country. . 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 Broken brains abound. TDS is a dangerous thing to those who value clear thinking. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 1 hour ago, Foxx said: https://twitter.com/WashingtonPoint/status/1213101966127173634 So the rebels of the last stronghold in Syria, many of which are ISIS, are cheering the death of the man who helped defeat ISIS in Iraq? these things are more about PR for a US audience who are ignorant of the ME complexities. As for the coming response, Iran has been on the radar of the US-Israel alliance for a long time. This is no accidental opportunity. I think GG has a good take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said: Broken brains abound. TDS is a dangerous thing to those who value clear thinking. "***** your fear" - Comrade Fudge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 What Qassim Soleimani's killing means by Tom Rogan Original Article The U.S. killing of Qassim Soleimani In Baghdad on Thursday ends an enduring threat. At least in the short term, however, it will unleash Iranian retaliation. The leader of the external action arm of Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps, Soleimani long led that regime's efforts to destroy its enemies and expand its revolution. From an explosive campaign that killed hundreds of U.S. soldiers in Iraq, to supporting Bashar Assad's regime with legions of Shiite fighters and IRGC operatives, to conducting a campaign of bombings and assassinations and intimidation across the world, Soleimani was a master of his very dark arts. . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 (But nothing's happening) 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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B-Man Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 'The era of leading from behind is OVER': Elise Stefanik DROPS the entire Obama administration in tweets on Soleimani death . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 tough times.... but peace through strength tops peace at any price 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedge Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 There is going to be a lot of false information floating around (from all sides). There is a floating rumor that the Ayn al-Asad Airbase has suffered missile strikes, with this image being attached: This picture, however, has been in existence since at least Aug 2016 (2nd tweet): 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 1 hour ago, RochesterRob said: You actually invested time in determining if toilet scum is sentient or not? It routinely beats him at tic-tac-toe. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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