ndirish1978 Posted December 7, 2016 Author Share Posted December 7, 2016 Exactly; this organization has a losing culture and has for 15 years. Follow the psychological concept of organizational culture; clean house completely and start again. I kind of agree with this. In years past we COULDN'T do this because everyone was afraid that blowing things up meant the dreaded "rebuilding" label which would scare fans away and lead to the team leaving Buffalo. Now that the team isn't going anywhere they should do things correctly. Unfortunately RB is now president of the Sabres too so he's not going anywhere and I strongly believe his "marketing first" approach to the team is killing us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meatplow Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 Burn the whole damn thing down and start with a clean slate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 I mean it's funny how hard some folks act like it is. We cry over draft picks from 8 years ago. NE has a ton of terrible draft picks and no one cares. We have a far, far better roster than the Colts and they have had success for one reason. When you get the qb, everyone gets better. And you don't find a qb by spending 3 1st round picks on in 30 years. Couple of reasons really. You are correct, first and foremost, they have their QB. But they also play in the AFC South. Or rather, in any division that doesnt have the New England Patriots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 Replace the equipment handler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy10 Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 Need to fire everyone from Russ on down and start over completely. The nice lady at the beer stand behind section 127? Why does she get the boot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaclynrea21 Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 It seems like there are a lot of opinions on this board about who we should blame for the past 17 years of failure in Buffalo: Russ Brandon, Nix/Whaley, terrible coaching selections, etc. My question is this, how does this all get turned around in your opinion beyond just a sweeping "fire everybody?" Is there something beyond just playing musical chairs at coach that we can do to change the team around? I just scratch my head because it seems institutional now. I kept thinking Wilson's age and lack of involvement with the team was the driving factor behind our futility but we've switched owners and it feels like the same song, different verse. Feel free to merge this thread to whichever complaints thread you want if the question seems redundant, but I would like to hear what you guys think can be done this offseason to give this team some spine and start moving us in the right direction. Thanks all. Well if everyone on the bills team played hard as they possibly could and the coaches really payed attention to film and came up with the best plan they ever had as coaches, then maybe. Right now they are flat lazy and dreaming of good times with there family just wanting to be with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 Actually the truth be known we need new mats. You would be amazed what a stray mat can do for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 I always think of Arizona too. Havent 'hit' on a QB, but have made a pretty decent run the past 8 years or so with the likes of Kurt Warner and Carson Palmer. And you look at and envy Philadelphia for how seriously, proactively, and aggressively they pursue their franchise QB. Kurt Warner will be in the HOF. You missed a good a good career. That just shows how dumb qb winning % is. Put Luck or Brees on the Bills, they are SB contenders. Put Taylor on those teams, they are terrible. Good points. The only thing different with Arizona this year and last year is Palmer suddenly got really old. Completely changes their trajectory. I mean it's funny how hard some folks act like it is. We cry over draft picks from 8 years ago. NE has a ton of terrible draft picks and no one cares. We have a far, far better roster than the Colts and they have had success for one reason. When you get the qb, everyone gets better. And you don't find a qb by spending 3 1st round picks on in 30 years. Luck is 8-10 in starts the past 2 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1 Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 the common threads from the Ralph era need to be snipped Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 The nice lady at the beer stand behind section 127? Why does she get the boot? Everyone but her and the guy that cleans the bathroom out by the Fieldhouse. Those two deserve to stay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 The nice lady at the beer stand behind section 127? Why does she get the boot? I think Section 127 is the Schmidts Gay Fan Zone so that might have something to do with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jms62 Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 Find the right QB.Simple people Bad defense? Dumb GM? A quitter team? Find the right QB and suddenly everyone plays lot better, becomes smarter, and much more courage. Ah yes! The czar idea lives again! I say to hell with that. You either believe in the GM you have and if you don't then get one you have confidence in then let him do his job. So then who would be hiring this GM? From what we have seen the same people that hired Rex. You comfortable with their decision making this time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helpmenow Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 Find the right QB. And not salesman who thinks tyrod is great qb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 Find the right QB. If a good QB can make Jack Del Rio look good then it can make anyone look good. That's totally the key. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Jerky Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 Close you eyes and count...... I knew that the game wasn't over and said so in the GDT. Oakland has a potent offense and they comeback on teams. Hey he was asking how I wasnt saying Pegula would do itm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helpmenow Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 Change team colors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 Kurt Warner will be in the HOF. You missed a good a good career. Luck is 8-10 in starts the past 2 years. Agreed. I blame Luck and not the GM who trades Hughes for Shepherd or a 1st round pick for Trent Richardson. Luck is clearly holding them back. Let's dangle Taylor out there and maybe we can get Luck and a draft pick back. After all, Taylor must be a better qb since he has a better winning % the last 2 years. If a good QB can make Jack Del Rio look good then it can make anyone look good. That's totally the key. Jack Del Rio had multiple playoff berths in Jacksonville with David Garrad and Byron Leftwich. He's a better coach than you think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vorpma Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 If I went into New York City and entered an all night movie offering ten dollars for opinions, I would get this board! Come one, why is it so hard to understand - 16 years! This is a failed organization! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 If I went into New York City and entered an all night movie offering ten dollars for opinions, I would get this board! Come one, why is it so hard to understand - 16 years! This is a failed organization! 16 years? WTH does that have to do with the Pegulas, Whaley, Rex, and the current players? Answer: Not a damned thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helpmenow Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 Put Butch Byrd on the wall!! More deserving than #24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vorpma Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 16 years? WTH does that have to do with the Pegulas, Whaley, Rex, and the current players? Answer: Not a damned thing. Are you f****** serious? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 Are you f****** serious? Are you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vorpma Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 Are you f****** serious? Try to think for a second, maybe a minute, and try to understand this is a failed organization! 1999! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardinalScotts Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 And you look at and envy Philadelphia for how seriously, proactively, and aggressively they pursue their franchise QB. And how lucky they are that Minnesota handed them a number 1 for Sam F'ing Bradford. Of course, it also remains to be seen whether Wentz is a franchise qb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 Find the right QB. Rex has his QB. Was chasing this guy for years to be his signal caller. Why? He wanted a game manager to take care of the football and make a few plays with his feet, while the dominant defense pounded competition into futility. No QB is ever going to change that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardinalScotts Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 Find the right QB. Teams like Ravens, Steelers, Colts, Packers, Falcons and even the Redskins as well as the Saints, Cardnals, Bengals Chargers all have so called great qb's and their record is the same or +1 over the Bills but we think THOSE teams are good. still have a month to go, get Woods and Watkins back and then run the football see you in the playoffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 Teams like Ravens, Steelers, Colts, Packers, Falcons and even the Redskins as well as the Saints, Cardnals, Bengals Chargers all have so called great qb's and their record is the same or +1 over the Bills but we think THOSE teams are good. still have a month to go, get Woods and Watkins back and then run the football see you in the playoffs Yep. 4 games left. Fingers crossed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 Bad defense? Dumb GM? A quitter team? Find the right QB and suddenly everyone plays lot better, becomes smarter, and much more courage. Ah yes! The czar idea lives again! I say to hell with that. You either believe in the GM you have and if you don't then get one you have confidence in then let him do his job. You summed it up perfectly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 Find a GM who values the QB position. Whaley has failed miserably.... ej manuel, thad lewis, jeff tuel, kyle orton, matt cassel, matt leinart, tyler thigpen say hello I give TT credit to REX.....without rex's input, TT would never be here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Original Byrd Man Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 The thing that has doomed this team is a pronounced lack of patience by the fans and mostly the media, who love to fan the flames. Every time you change the coach/GM you need to remodel the make up of the team. For 16 years this team has had to reshuffle the team composition to adjust to the new direction, and still we wonder why we are unsuccessful! Amazing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 sometimes I wonder about us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st Ammendment NoMas Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 If I was Pegula I would hire an outside consultant to review the organization and make suggestions of what to change. sounds like a plan! Polian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 Jack Del Rio had multiple playoff berths in Jacksonville with David Garrad and Byron Leftwich. He's a better coach than you think. By "multiple", you mean 2. In 10 years. He has had 3 winning seasons in 10 up until this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweet Lou Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 Find the right QB. You are half correct 26. When they find the right GM - They will find the right QB. And not until ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 You are half correct 26. When they find the right GM - They will find the right QB. And not until ! Maybe so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSOL Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 Yeah, we need a much better General Manager Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 Agreed. I blame Luck and not the GM who trades Hughes for Shepherd or a 1st round pick for Trent Richardson. Luck is clearly holding them back. Let's dangle Taylor out there and maybe we can get Luck and a draft pick back. After all, Taylor must be a better qb since he has a better winning % the last 2 years. Jack Del Rio had multiple playoff berths in Jacksonville with David Garrad and Byron Leftwich. He's a better coach than you think. Yes, all you need is the right QB. Oh wait, no---Luck has struggled the past 2 seasons because...he lacked Hughes! And his GM whiffed on a O-lineman in the 1st! No one is arguing TT is a better QB than Luck, so you can be the dog chasing that car for as long as you want. If you meant to say "it's just the QB.....and a lot of talented players surrounding him"....I will agree. So go ahead and say it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 None of these guys are 17 year problems. We have a new owner, and the current picture is unrelated to 17 years ago, despite how it feels as fans. I happen to like Whaley, but don't mind the idea of a "czar". Rex is a clown, maybe a clown you'd enjoy having some beers with, but still a clown. Find the right coach (not TOO hard), and the right QB (MUCH harder and even more important) and we're in business. Sorry, I won't pretend to know who those folks are. The Colts are the rare case where they "Lucked" into the right QB, but are soooo dysfunctional they can't put anything around him. Speaking of dysfunctional, have I mentioned the lady we met who had a tattoo on the back of her neck that said " I Put The Fun in Dysfuntional!"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 None of these guys are 17 year problems. We have a new owner, and the current picture is unrelated to 17 years ago, despite how it feels as fans. I happen to like Whaley, but don't mind the idea of a "czar". Rex is a clown, maybe a clown you'd enjoy having some beers with, but still a clown. Find the right coach (not TOO hard), and the right QB (MUCH harder and even more important) and we're in business. Sorry, I won't pretend to know who those folks are. The Colts are the rare case where they "Lucked" into the right QB, but are soooo dysfunctional they can't put anything around him. That's 90% of the GM's job right there. Whaley has very clearly demonstrated that he cannot evaluate/scout/draft a QB. This isn't even debatable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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