GunnerBill Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 I didn't see the game.... the pub I got to after the Twickenham game was only showing redzone... but pretty much ever play they did show was Ajayi running all over us. This sounds boring and dull and very 1990s... but in the NFL if you can't run and stop the run you can't win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 This. Either he takes a HUGE paycut in a renegotiated contract or no way you pick up his option. He's not even that highly paid. And there is legit no one available to start. 23M in cash payment. He is not worth it. I am not talking the cap manipulation i am talking the 23M in cash he gets if you pick up option and the saying he is a long term QB. He is not. Either that gets lowered or no option take the space you save and go elswhere Doing that and the team bottoms out. Then Whaley and Rex are fired. I don't think they'll do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roc Bronson Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 Lets not forget hanging Glasswin out to dry Lol he's going to get all those wrs killed before season end. The guy accuracy is a mess. The defense can't tackle to save their lives. Did the Dolphins have oil dripping off of them today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjd1001 Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 (edited) This. Either he takes a HUGE paycut in a renegotiated contract or no way you pick up his option. Is there something in his contract that says he can't renegotiate? Or the Bills can't decline the option but still negotiate and resign him? It just seems to me everyone and I mean EVERONE says either the Bills have to play him $20+ million next year..or they have to move on..there is no other choice. If Tyrod continues to play 'average' and he KNOWS he isn't going to get $20+ million next year..wouldn't he be open to having the Bills not pick it up..but signing a new deal for $15 million with them? Edited October 23, 2016 by mjd1001 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent 91 Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 He missed a WIDE OPEN O'Leary right in front of him. He's not good. What you are arguing against is people who wanted to be right so bad that now they must justify the issues. Tyrod is fun to watch... doesnt make him good. Je is what he is. He won because MCCOY is their best player. Give Tyrod ALL his weapons. And without McCoy this thing doesnt go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bocephuz Posted October 23, 2016 Author Share Posted October 23, 2016 23M in cash payment. He is not worth it. I am not talking the cap manipulation i am talking the 23M in cash he gets if you pick up option and the saying he is a long term QB. He is not. Either that gets lowered or no option take the space you save and go elswhere http://billswire.usatoday.com/2016/10/23/tyrod-taylor-buffalo-bills-miami-dolphins/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 Is there something in his contract that says he can't renegotiate? Or the Bills can't decline the option but still negotiate and resign him? It just seems to me everyone and I mean EVERONE says either the Bills have to play him $20+ million next year..or they have to move on..there is no other choice. If Tyrod continues to play 'average' and he KNOWS he isn't going to get $20+ million next year..wouldn't he be open to having the Bills not pick it up..but signing a new deal for $15 million with them? I am sure there is nothing saying they cant, but likely has never happened in NFL. What has happened is the option not picked up player shops sees his market is soft and comes back cheaper http://billswire.usatoday.com/2016/10/23/tyrod-taylor-buffalo-bills-miami-dolphins/ Like Robyn just dont agree with her here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 I am sure there is nothing saying they cant, but likely has never happened in NFL. What has happened is the option not picked up player shops sees his market is soft and comes back cheaper Like Robyn just dont agree with her here I don't believe you are allowed to renegotiate within the same league year as the signing. Not sure where the demarcation actually falls as far as whether it's the actual league year or if you get wiggle room once the season ends. Likewise I'm not sure offhand of what day the incentive is do. It's a reasonable line of questions to pursue though as the answers could effect the situation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xsoldier54 Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 Did yoh watch the second half and his typical 3 and out trend he does? He doesn't call the plays and he wasn't alone out there. When the offense goes 3 and out, usually a lot of things are not going well all at once. Can't pin it all on the QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bocephuz Posted October 23, 2016 Author Share Posted October 23, 2016 Make sure you post his double clutches and how when a QB is not getting the ball out On time that causes pressure Were you able to see whether any of his receivers were ooen on any of those double clutch plays? Watching the tv broadcast I know I couldn't really tell. Maybe they were maybe they weren't. I will reserve judgement until I can watch Coaches Film All 22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 1. The Missing: Watkins (WR1), Woods (WR2), Shady (RB1) - makes the O hard to go; Dareus might have helped up the middle 2. Couldn't stop the run: 200+ ouch 3. O-line / O play: Couldn't get anything going, likely should have just started Gillislee, Tyrod under pressure all day This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TANK2 Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 (edited) Defense was a joke today. Second putrid effort this year. Edited October 23, 2016 by TANK2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent 91 Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 DC....what are you talking about....Tyrod threw over the middle today? He just is not throwing a LOT over the middle Its just not the way the bills run their offense....Tyrod is never gonna be that 300 yard guy For 27 mil i need him to atleast be a 300 per game combined yardage type guy. Ill be generous and add runs and passes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent 91 Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 This. Either he takes a HUGE paycut in a renegotiated contract or no way you pick up his option. The ONLY reason i keep on Tyrod is because of his payday. Do i think he is good? Not particularly, BUT i could live with this type of play for 10-12 a year I guess. He will win you some will lose you some. He will never be your best or most dominant player. He is a stop gap that you may get a few good bounces and end up in the playoffs. I juat can not see passed the 2017 pricetag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 For 27 mil i need him to atleast be a 300 per game combined yardage type guy. Ill be generous and add runs and passes For the last time, next year is only 16 mil + 2 in signing bonus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jahbonas Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 Pretty simple...OC & Rex read press clippings and thought he could run even on 8 man fronts Mark Gaughan of News In the first 58 minutes of the game, the Bills ran on 13 of 18 first-down plays. Those 13 runs produced 36 yards, and nine of the runs went for 3 or fewer yards. On the first-down pass plays the first 58 minutes, Tyrod Taylor was 4 of 5 for 101 yards. That included the 67-yard TD to Marquise Goodwin, a perfect play call against a Miami blitz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 Did yoh watch the second half and his typical 3 and out trend he does? Defense gave up 21 points in the second have. But you're making great points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 Miami owned both lines of scrimmage; simple as that. Been a while since we've had our asses handed to us like that, too. That's as good an OL as we've seen in a long time. I'll let the naysayers explain how we got out-coached, etc. But I will just tip my hat to the Dolphins' OL and DL instead. It's easier on the soul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yungmack Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 For 27 mil i need him to atleast be a 300 per game combined yardage type guy. Ill be generous and add runs and passesWhy do you care what he's paid? It ain't your money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billznut Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 (edited) I think there was plenty of blame to go around today. Wasn't any one thing. Run defense was non existent obviously. Our running game also never showed up. Tough to win in this league if you can't run and stop the run. Tyrod wasn't all that great but the offensive line played one of their worst games in quite awhile. As you can see, take your pick today. Just an overall miserable team loss. Outplayed and outcoached. Edited October 23, 2016 by Billznut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KellyToTasker Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 For the people criticizing Tyrod what were your expectations? He was missing his TOP 4 WRs and #1 RB. I think that we were watching different games. Guys didn't know their routes (see Powell on the 2nd to last drive). The offense line (specifically Mills) were blown up all day and they have almost 500 yards of offense (178 in the fourth quarter). You watched that game and said, "it's the QB's fault?" Really? This. Dareus being out caught up with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent 91 Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 For the last time, next year is only 16 mil + 2 in signing bonus. Instand corrected on the money but the stats still remain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 Tyrod Taylor - dont sugar coat it You apparently were watching the game with an attitude, or perhaps not even watching. Taylor pretty much had no OL in front of him all game. Very few NFL quarterbacks could have done better under the circumstances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quinnearlysghost88 Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 I'm watching the Sabres. Fucckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 This. Dareus being out caught up with them. I've been thinking this since the Rams game. We need Dareus back. The defense had been doing well, but today it sounded like they just ran all over us. Mr. Big Puff is the key to stopping the run. He needs to get healthy fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KellyToTasker Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 I've been thinking this since the Rams game. We need Dareus back. The defense had been doing well, but today it sounded like they just ran all over us. Mr. Big Puff is the key to stopping the run. He needs to get healthy fast. He most certainly does need to get healthy. I expect he will be a big contributor, but he did have last year's season.....So, there's that. I'm still holding out for his "elite" play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bocephuz Posted October 24, 2016 Author Share Posted October 24, 2016 (edited) Here are 2 headlines from PFF breakdown .. solid analysis https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro-nfl-buf-mia-grades-outstanding-ajayi-leads-dolphins-to-win/ Quarterback grade: Tyrod Taylor, 84.5 Taylor is his usual self in nearly flawless performance --- Surrounding cast unable to help Taylor Buffalos offensive line had its worst game this season as they struggled both in pass protection and in opening lanes for the running backs. Right tackle Jordan Mills struggled the most in pass protection as he surrendered two sacks and four quarterback hurries. Edited October 24, 2016 by Bocephuz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billyudi Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 Here are 2 headlines from PFF breakdown .. solid analysis https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro-nfl-buf-mia-grades-outstanding-ajayi-leads-dolphins-to-win/ Quarterback grade: Tyrod Taylor, 84.5 Taylor is his usual self in nearly flawless performance --- Surrounding cast unable to help Taylor Buffalos offensive line had its worst game this season as they struggled both in pass protection and in opening lanes for the running backs. Right tackle Jordan Mills struggled the most in pass protection as he surrendered two sacks and four quarterback hurries. In addition, the unit failed to help Buffalos running game as 66 of the Bills 67 rushing yards came after contact. Furthermore, the wide receivers were unable to make big plays. Excluding, Goodwins long touchdown reception, Buffalo pass catchers gained only 12 of the Bills 154 receiving yards after the catch. Can't pin this all on the receivers. Saw plenty of opportunities of YAC if the ball placement would have been better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 (edited) Can't pin this all on the receivers. Saw plenty of opportunities of YAC if the ball placement would have been better. List the "plenty" you saw. Edited October 24, 2016 by bobobonators Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OhDozeBills Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 Everything thinks our defense is fine, but between the 20's they have been average at best. Red zone has been the difference, but it could only last so long. All I have to say is F*** Y** Dareus and all of you who thought our defense has been fine without him. It was only a matter of time for a subpar offense to destroy us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 goodwin didnt even get hurt by the guy he hit his head on the ground yep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DisplacedBillsFan Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 Offensive play calling was atrocious. We didn't even try to establish the run. Once Gillislee actually got a touch he gained 25 yards on 2 carries then never got it again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 List the "plenty" you saw. Hey, don't break the newbie so quickly. Tyrod always misses opportunities. it's how the game goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taterthegator Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 Mike Gillislee is a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 Offensive play calling was atrocious. We didn't even try to establish the run. Once Gillislee actually got a touch he gained 25 yards on 2 carries then never got it again. Sure they did, we just sucked at getting running lanes. Dolphins had one hell of a game plan. O and D. give them the props and walk away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 Mccoy starting actually hurt us. He was clearly not 100%. There were several holes he failed to hit. Offense's rhythm suffered as a result. We would have been better off just going with Mike from the beginning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 Mike Gillislee is a joke. why the hate? again it was a rough day for everyone. chill people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 No matter how bad a divisional opponent may be, these games are usually tough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 Mccoy starting actually hurt us. He was clearly not 100%. There were several holes he failed to hit. Offense's rhythm suffered as a result. We would have been better off just going with Mike from the beginning. on that point I agree. that is on the Coaches Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DisplacedBillsFan Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 Mike Gillislee is a joke. 6.8 yards per carry on the season and 5.7 over the course of his career. Yea, such a waste. Sure they did, we just sucked at getting running lanes. Dolphins had one hell of a game plan. O and D. give them the props and walk away I wouldn't exactly say giving an injured HB 8 touches is trying to establish the run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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