4merper4mer Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Good win yesterday for sure but the reality is that the win hurt us in terms of playoff opportunity. As much as I'd love to win the division, I don't think the Bills are there yet and even if they were I'm not sure the NFL and especially the refs would allow it. If correct, this means any hope at the playoffs is via wild card. Yesterday's win put us at the very bottom of tie-breaker scenarios in the case of wild card opportunities. Unless we're only battling teams in our own division or one on one with a team we'll play or have played like Baltimore, then the first tie breaker involves eliminating teams that have good records against the NFC. It seems likely that we may end up there. Arizona is/was a favorite in that division and we get the Rams and 9ers later in the year. We're looking at a 3-1 record against the NFC with the probable loss coming against Seattle. I think that record will probably be too good to keep us in the hunt tie-breaker wise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 So losing yesterday would have helped any playoff chance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted September 26, 2016 Author Share Posted September 26, 2016 So losing yesterday would have helped any playoff chance? I'm sure people would have been mad at a loss but in a tie breaker situation the answer to your question is yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Yes! Classic thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pbomb Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 So you are saying we have a better chance at making the playoffs at 0-3 than 1-2, brilliant. Maybe the bills should lose the next 3 games to increase our playoff chances Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Losing is bad and the refs are keeping us down. Very Billsy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 I'm sure people would have been mad at a loss but in a tie breaker situation the answer to your question is yes. This reminds me of the colleague who was worried about his wife working because they'd have to pay so much taxes. Dude, you have to have money before you pay taxes on it. Money is good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricojes Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 ieatcrayonz... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted September 26, 2016 Author Share Posted September 26, 2016 So you are saying we have a better chance at making the playoffs at 0-3 than 1-2, brilliant. Maybe the bills should lose the next 3 games to increase our playoff chances Playoffs are determined by the entire 16 game record. Games at the beginning or end of the season are weighted equally but the first tie breaker for AFC teams is eliminating teams that have a good record against the NFC. You can look it up at NFL.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 At this point in time just getting a win was a huge uplift for the fan base and players. Who knows how many more games this team will win this season. So can we just savor the win and worry about the Patriots next weekend for now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCbillsfan Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Wow. The Bills win one game and there is playoff talk. Good grief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Likelihood of making the playoffs at: 1-2: 25% 0-3: 2% Just win, baby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Wut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted September 26, 2016 Author Share Posted September 26, 2016 At this point in time just getting a win was a huge uplift for the fan base and players. Who knows how many more games this team will win this season. So can we just savor the win and worry about the Patriots next weekend for now? I agree but if we beat Seattle we are probably toast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crowing Rooster Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 At this point in time just getting a win was a huge uplift for the fan base and players. Who knows how many more games this team will win this season. So can we just savor the win and worry about the Patriots next weekend for now? I agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pbomb Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Playoffs are determined by the entire 16 game record. Games at the beginning or end of the season are weighted equally but the first tie breaker for AFC teams is eliminating teams that have a good record against the NFC. You can look it up at NFL.com Ya conference record is a tie breaker i know, but if you dont win games tie breakers wont matter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Good win yesterday for sure but the reality is that the win hurt us in terms of playoff opportunity. As much as I'd love to win the division, I don't think the Bills are there yet and even if they were I'm not sure the NFL and especially the refs would allow it. If correct, this means any hope at the playoffs is via wild card. Yesterday's win put us at the very bottom of tie-breaker scenarios in the case of wild card opportunities. Unless we're only battling teams in our own division or one on one with a team we'll play or have played like Baltimore, then the first tie breaker involves eliminating teams that have good records against the NFC. It seems likely that we may end up there. Arizona is/was a favorite in that division and we get the Rams and 9ers later in the year. We're looking at a 3-1 record against the NFC with the probable loss coming against Seattle. I think that record will probably be too good to keep us in the hunt tie-breaker wise. No. A win against the AFC is better than a win against the NFC that is true, but in order to even make it to tiebreakers you need 9 or 10 wins. So a win is always better than a loss. See how that works? Despite feeling more cheery this morning about our season I still don't see play-offs this year as a realistic possibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Losing is bad and the refs are keeping us down. Very Billsy. You mean losing is good or winning is bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 You mean losing is good or winning is bad. Don't confuse me, I'm fragile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Don't confuse me, I'm fragile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Good win yesterday for sure but the reality is that the win hurt us in terms of playoff opportunity. As much as I'd love to win the division, I don't think the Bills are there yet and even if they were I'm not sure the NFL and especially the refs would allow it. If correct, this means any hope at the playoffs is via wild card. Yesterday's win put us at the very bottom of tie-breaker scenarios in the case of wild card opportunities. Unless we're only battling teams in our own division or one on one with a team we'll play or have played like Baltimore, then the first tie breaker involves eliminating teams that have good records against the NFC. It seems likely that we may end up there. Arizona is/was a favorite in that division and we get the Rams and 9ers later in the year. We're looking at a 3-1 record against the NFC with the probable loss coming against Seattle. I think that record will probably be too good to keep us in the hunt tie-breaker wise. so you would prefer to lose every game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeMonkey Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Good win yesterday for sure but the reality is that the win hurt us in terms of playoff opportunity. As much as I'd love to win the division, I don't think the Bills are there yet and even if they were I'm not sure the NFL and especially the refs would allow it. If correct, this means any hope at the playoffs is via wild card. Yesterday's win put us at the very bottom of tie-breaker scenarios in the case of wild card opportunities. Unless we're only battling teams in our own division or one on one with a team we'll play or have played like Baltimore, then the first tie breaker involves eliminating teams that have good records against the NFC. It seems likely that we may end up there. Arizona is/was a favorite in that division and we get the Rams and 9ers later in the year. We're looking at a 3-1 record against the NFC with the probable loss coming against Seattle. I think that record will probably be too good to keep us in the hunt tie-breaker wise. WTF, how does that tin foil hat fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted September 26, 2016 Author Share Posted September 26, 2016 Likelihood of making the playoffs at: 1-2: 25% 0-3: 2% Just win, baby. Odds of tiebreakers being involved in determining playoffs/seeding is pretty darn close to 100% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 I'm sure people would have been mad at a loss but in a tie breaker situation the answer to your question is yes. I think you have it backwards. It's true that NFC wins don't help in your playoff tiebreakers, you still need wins to be in a tiebreaker. It doesn't hurt us at all. Playoffs are determined by the entire 16 game record. Games at the beginning or end of the season are weighted equally but the first tie breaker for AFC teams is eliminating teams that have a good record against the NFC. You can look it up at NFL.com Link please. It's on you to prove this unicorn exists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdub Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 (edited) Odds of tiebreakers being involved in determining playoffs/seeding is pretty darn close to 100% So you'd rather be 9-7 and in a tiebreaker scenario (likely winning) for wildcard than 10-6 and in a tiebreaker scenario (likely losing) for seeds 3/4? Edited September 26, 2016 by kdub Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted September 26, 2016 Author Share Posted September 26, 2016 Link please. It's on you to prove this unicorn exists. I thought it was obvious but here you go: NFL.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountryCletus Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Instead of tie breaker scenarios- let's just focus on getting W's and put that worry on another franchise.... After 16 years of chit, I'm still happy seeing us "in the hunt" on that thing they put on TV nearing the end of the regular season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 I thought it was obvious but here you go: NFL.com Yup, there it is, plain as day. How did I miss that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishDave Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 It is stupid to concern yourself over winning too many NFC game matchups. The goal is to win dude - the more games the better. Yes it is ideal if you beat all the AFC teams, but FFS, a week ago people on here wanted to tank and were convinced we wouldn't win any games this year. Now somebody is worried that we are going to be too good against NFC teams? If you want to make this argument, wait till we lose to another AFC team. Then make the point that the loses vs. AFC hurt you a little more because of tiebreakers. Don't try to make the argument after we just beat a really good NFC team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 I agree but if we beat Seattle we are probably toast. If this team beats the Seahawks in Seattle then I shouldn't worry about any other game the rest of the season because it will be a sweep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r00tabaga Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 I usually just ignore his posts, but hey, I'm IN! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted September 26, 2016 Author Share Posted September 26, 2016 If this team beats the Seahawks in Seattle then I shouldn't worry about any other game the rest of the season because it will be a sweep. I actually don't think Seattle is all that great this year. Still a tough game sure, but not like the last 5 years or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthBuffaloKid Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Winning = Good Losing = Bad Very simple. Now we have to go to NE and play well there. One play at a time. If we do that win or lose, we may just be able to cobb out a season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Playoffs are determined by the entire 16 game record. Games at the beginning or end of the season are weighted equally but the first tie breaker for AFC teams is eliminating teams that have a good record against the NFC. You can look it up at NFL.com I admire the interpretation... Yes if you assume you could trade this win for another win instead, you might want to. But having this win puts you into a tiebreaker scenario you wouldn't otherwise be in with one less win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricojes Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Found it, ieatcrayonz is back... http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/73019-the-bills-are-putting-themselves-in-a-bad-position/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r00tabaga Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 You my friend have cracked the case! Crayonz is 4merper4mer. 4merper4mer is Crayonz. Eww, "your gun is digging into my hip"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 I love these threads. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Caveman Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 ol' crayonz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 (edited) Can we move all threads started by op way way way way off the wall ? We know your mad about Rex Ryan winning. Edited September 26, 2016 by Ryan L Billz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted September 26, 2016 Author Share Posted September 26, 2016 ol' crayonz What the heck did Ellie do that was so bad anyway? That's just mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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