eball Posted May 5, 2016 Share Posted May 5, 2016 That they were desperate or O-line help. And we know ourselves that when you are desperate for help in a certain position you talk yourself into guys..... Kujo.... even to some extent EJ. Yes, EJ was a reach based upon need, but the best part about that was at least we traded down and picked up an extra 2nd rounder in the process (Kiko, who became Shady). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted May 5, 2016 Share Posted May 5, 2016 (edited) Mike Adams completely underachieved at OSU as a 5 star recruit and was absurdly over drafted - terrible pick then and terrible pick now. No idea what steelers were thinking other than overvaluing measurables. He was also an off field headache. As I recall he drove to Pittsburgh to tell them how much he always wanted to play for the steelers and they fell for it. Pretty sure he failed his combine drug test or something. Should have been a 7th round pick. That they were desperate or O-line help. And we know ourselves that when you are desperate for help in a certain position you talk yourself into guys..... Kujo.... even to some extent EJ. Yup. As an OSU alum I watched pretty much every game Adams played there. My wife is a Steelers fan. Adams is highly talented, but his mental lapses are horrific. You can't do that at the NFL level. He will string together a dozen plays where he looks great. Then, just when you are ready to jump on his bandwagon and declare him a stud, he makes a WTF!? mistake that has you looking at his jersey to make sure it's the same guy. Every game is like that. You can't have a LT that makes 3 or 4 boneheaded plays a game. I ripped him before the draft and I ripped him after the draft. In fact during the draft I remember showing my wife that while he looked good in the clips they showed of him when he was picked, he also got beat horribly in a highlight of another player taken near him. He's never going to be consistient enough to be a starter in the NFL. Never. Probably his upside is as a backup swing tackle. But he wouldn't be my first choice there either. Edited May 5, 2016 by BarleyNY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinii Posted May 5, 2016 Share Posted May 5, 2016 why is last season's schedule not replaced yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubes Posted May 5, 2016 Share Posted May 5, 2016 why is last season's schedule not replaced yet? Seems like a legit question for this thread. Yeah, what gives? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted May 5, 2016 Share Posted May 5, 2016 @PFF Terron Armstead and Cordy Glenn both rank among the top 5 young offensive tackles in the NFL right now: https://t.co/OJdVNouqki Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted May 5, 2016 Share Posted May 5, 2016 Seems like a legit question for this thread. Yeah, what gives? And GET OFF MY LAWN!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted May 5, 2016 Share Posted May 5, 2016 @walterfootball Grades for the #Bills and #Saints re-signing Cordy Glenn, Terron Armstead - http://walterfootball.com/freeagentsigninggrades.php Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted May 5, 2016 Share Posted May 5, 2016 @walterfootball Grades for the #Bills and #Saints re-signing Cordy Glenn, Terron Armstead - http://walterfootball.com/freeagentsigninggrades.php I can't see how someone can issue a grade on a contract before the details are out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted May 5, 2016 Share Posted May 5, 2016 I can't see how someone can issue a grade on a contract before the details are out. AFAIK, the details are out already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted May 5, 2016 Share Posted May 5, 2016 I think the savings are minimal this year, a little more next year, and then it opens up. The Bills wisely (I think) chose to frontload the contract during a year in which they don't need to find more money. This is the bonus of having fairly wealthy owners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted May 5, 2016 Share Posted May 5, 2016 @walterfootball Grades for the #Bills and #Saints re-signing Cordy Glenn, Terron Armstead - http://walterfootball.com/freeagentsigninggrades.php About the only thing I've ever seen on that site that was worth a damn is the Emmitt Smith stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted May 5, 2016 Share Posted May 5, 2016 @walterfootball Grades for the #Bills and #Saints re-signing Cordy Glenn, Terron Armstead - http://walterfootball.com/freeagentsigninggrades.php all valid points. the bills did the right thing. if your going to everpay a little....LT is one of the positions to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 AFAIK, the details are out already. I have yet to see them posted. A general outline is out, but details aren't to my knowledge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 all valid points. the bills did the right thing. if your going to everpay a little....LT is one of the positions to do it. And CB....and QB....and heck in today's NFL every position is getting overpaid....WE overpaid for Clay last year!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 @AaronWilson_NFL Terron Armstead Saints deal: $66.671 million, $38M gtd, $11M signing bonus, salaries $620K, $4.2M, $10.2M, $10.7M, $10.7M, $10.15M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 And CB....and QB....and heck in today's NFL every position is getting overpaid....WE overpaid for Clay last year!!! depends what you mean by overpaid...the salary cap has been increasing the last couple of years so you will see bigger contracts. it's not overpaid based on the minimum requirements of the cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 @PFF Terron Armstead and Cordy Glenn both rank among the top 5 young offensive tackles in the NFL right now: https://t.co/OJdVNouqki I don't know which I would rather have? I like both of these guys quite a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 (edited) I don't know which I would rather have? I like both of these guys quite a bit.I think armstead has had a more consistent upward trend year to year- and is probably more athletically gifted. But both are young, excellent players. Heads up trade offered I'd probably keep Glenn based on familiarity/consistently -- but might give armstead the tiny edge if just rating them ala madden. I was curious to see if you weighed in on that topic. Edited May 6, 2016 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 (edited) I think armstead has had a more consistent upward trend year to year- and is probably more athletically gifted. But both are young, excellent players. Heads up trade offered I'd probably keep Glenn based on familiarity/consistently -- but might give armstead the tiny edge if just rating them ala madden. I was curious to see if you weighed in on that topic. That's seems fair. I think Armstead is a better athlete, but Glenn more powerful. It's pretty close though. They are both really good young tackles. I guess it would depend on the offensive scheme. Cordy may be a better fit in the Bills' offense and Armstead in the Saints'. Edited May 6, 2016 by Kirby Jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 I think armstead has had a more consistent upward trend year to year- and is probably more athletically gifted. But both are young, excellent players. Heads up trade offered I'd probably keep Glenn based on familiarity/consistently -- but might give armstead the tiny edge if just rating them ala madden. I was curious to see if you weighed in on that topic. I agree, but I have to think Glenn's kidney removal had an impact on his performance in the 2014 season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 I agree, but I have to think Glenn's kidney removal had an impact on his performance in the 2014 season. Of course it did. and thats a great point. Bills stuck with him, And he worked his tail off. This background story is underated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 That's seems fair. I think Armstead is a better athlete, but Glenn more powerful. It's pretty close though. They are both really good young tackles. I guess it would depend on the offensive scheme. Cordy may be a better fit in the Bills' offense and Armstead in the Saints'. 100%. Glenn better in a run first power scheme. Armstead more athletic better fit for Saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 Armstead is also going to look better blocking for Brees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 Of course it did. and thats a great point. Bills stuck with him, And he worked his tail off. This background story is underated. Yep. A guy playing with one kidney and doing it well was over shadowed by big #94 playing with no heart. Cordy got paid and if he keeps his level of play up he will get his national respect once we start winning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 (edited) I agree, but I have to think Glenn's kidney removal had an impact on his performance in the 2014 season. It did, and Glenn came into the league a bit more polished/ready. Armstead was from Arkansas pine bluff, while Glenn, despite playing guard, was playing SEC football. Natural that armstead would be bigger jumps up along the way. Trajectory isn't everything but it's a nice thing to see steady upward if projecting... Far from definitive though Edited May 6, 2016 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted May 7, 2016 Share Posted May 7, 2016 Yep. A guy playing with one kidney and doing it well was over shadowed by big #94 playing with no heart. Cordy got paid and if he keeps his level of play up he will get his national respect once we start winning. Well he certainly has mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estro Posted May 7, 2016 Share Posted May 7, 2016 #'s on Terron Armstead's deal are in: http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-orleans-saints/terron-armstead/ Still awaiting the breakdown of Glenn's contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted May 7, 2016 Share Posted May 7, 2016 #'s on Terron Armstead's deal are in: http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-orleans-saints/terron-armstead/ Still awaiting the breakdown of Glenn's contract. If those numbers are close to Glenn's, the Bills could have gained over $10M in cap space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted May 7, 2016 Share Posted May 7, 2016 If those numbers are close to Glenn's, the Bills could have gained over $10M in cap space. Seems we structured with much more year one from initial reports Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted May 7, 2016 Share Posted May 7, 2016 Seems we structured with much more year one from initial reports That would probably be best. Not sure if they need $10+M in room. And if they extend Gilmore, that should give them a chunk more in cap room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted May 7, 2016 Share Posted May 7, 2016 Seems we structured with much more year one from initial reports The way Spotrac has it, it looks like Armstead signed a 5 year extension which starts next year, as opposed to Glenn's new contract. Armstead's 2017 number is more what Cordy's number will look like this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estro Posted May 7, 2016 Share Posted May 7, 2016 We've heard Glenn will get $19M in year 1 and $11M in year 2. My best guess is that Glenn got a $13-$15M signing bonus with the rest in the form of a base salary in '16 to get him to the $19M that's been reported. So his cap hit will either be $8.6M if he got a $13M signing bonus or $7M if he receives a $15M SB. So expect a cap savings in the neighborhood of $5-6M I think Glenn's contract will look like this: 2016- $13M signing bonus, $6M base salary, $8.6M cap hit 2017- $4M roster bonus, $7M base salary, $10.6M cap hit 2018- $10M base salary, $13.6M cap hit 2019- $9.5M base salary, $13.1M cap hit 2020- $10.5M base salary, $14.1M cap hit As you can see my 5 year deal contains $60M, as Tyler Dunne reported it' actually a $60M deal with $5M in incentives to possibly push the deal to a total of $65M. And finally if the Bills are interested in keeping those '18-'20 cap hits down a bit they can simply reduce the size of the roster bonus in '17 or the size of the singing bonus this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted May 7, 2016 Share Posted May 7, 2016 @mikerodak The Bills have gained about $7.5M in 2016 cap room by extending Cordy Glenn. They now have $14.207M in 2016 cap room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted May 7, 2016 Share Posted May 7, 2016 @mikerodak Cordy Glenn received a $16M signing bonus. He has roster bonuses of $2M from 2017-2020. Cordy Glenn base salaries (full details to follow): 2016: $3M 2017: $9M 2018: $9.25M 2019: $7.25M 2020: $7.5M The Bills have gained about $7.5M in 2016 cap room by extending Cordy Glenn. They now have $14.207M in 2016 cap room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted May 7, 2016 Share Posted May 7, 2016 CAP ROOM!!! As I was saying! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted May 7, 2016 Share Posted May 7, 2016 @mikerodak Cordy Glennns 2017 base salary of $9 million is guaranteed. $8 million of his $9.25 million base salary in 2018 is guaranteed. Cordy Glenns 2016 cap number will be about $6.2 million, down from $13.7 million under the franchise tag. Saves $7.5M against 2016 cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted May 7, 2016 Share Posted May 7, 2016 (edited) Wow, more cap space than I thought. Good, now sign Gilmore. Edited May 7, 2016 by Green Lightning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted May 7, 2016 Share Posted May 7, 2016 Wow, more cap space than I thought. Good, now sign Gilmore. Next on the OBD agenda for JO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted May 7, 2016 Share Posted May 7, 2016 @mikerodak Cordy Glenn cap numbers: 2016: $6.2M 2017: $14.2M 2018: $14.45M 2019: $12.45M 2020: $12.7M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo1983 Posted May 7, 2016 Share Posted May 7, 2016 2016 - $6.2M 2017 - $14.2M 2018 - $14.45M 2019 - $12.45M 2020 - $12.7M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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