AP Report: Bills Will Release Mario After the Season

[John from Riverside]

Personally, I think this is a mistake, but can't blame Whaley.

 

Hopefully he is replaced with a comparable talent.

 

 

Imo

That is my thought as well....I am hoping that they have their eyes on a DE that fits Rex scheme and do not dumpster dive

 

Actually this is my greatest fear

[K-9]

Mario quitting was solely because it is in him to quit.

 

If anyone is looking for a scapegoat for anything around here, it is those that readily accept it is OK for Mario Williams to phuck his teammates, coaches, and fans simply because he didn't like what he was asked to do.

 

Being the best player on the team does not make that acceptable. Indeed, it makes it more comtemptable than it already is. He broke the code.

 

GO BILLS!!!

[dpberr]

Somebody *really* hates Doug Whaley.

[dave mcbride]

 

 

Whatever. He has played well enough in his career to get drafted #1 overall, be the most sought after FA once his contract was up, rack up great year after great year....

 

Subsequently he got lost in the string theory defense that took us from #4 to 20-something, also made Dareus and others look like crap and had produced similar poor results for the past several years in NY. But by all means let's vine a few bad plays and cross our fingers for 2016 with Rex. LOL.

 

I'm a Bills fan and want them to win. The GOOD news is that they are in Buffalo for good. That really does trump everything. It is just disappointing to know that the next 2 years are going to be crap, we will lose more good players and blame their attitude in 2016 and 17, Whaley will probably have to go down in Rex's tire fire, and we'll start over. I am honestly optimistic that 2018 can be the start of some great things and I look forward to it. I also think Rex will do a great job on CBS or Fox.

I don't think Rex is a good head coach. But it's whistling past the graveyard to say that his defenses aren't historically dominant. In ten seasons running defenses, he has had 4 top-2 rankings, 7 top-6 rankings, and 9 top-12 rankings according to the highly reliable (in my opinion) Football Outsiders.

[RuntheDamnBall]

Pathetic. Rex Ryan ran a guy out of town that had a 14 sack season the year before. Remarkable mis-use of talent.

I understand that the scheme may not have used him to his fullest, but he was flat-out taking plays off. That's inexcusable at his salary.

[Dan]

Let the rebuild begin! ....again.

 

Maybe we can bring in more guys like IK and Muligan that buy into Rex's scheme. That's what we need!

[dave mcbride]

I understand that the scheme may not have used him to his fullest, but he was flat-out taking plays off. That's inexcusable at his salary.

Right?!? How do people look past this?

[26CornerBlitz]

Let the rebuild begin! ....again.

 

Maybe we can bring in more guys like IK and Muligan that buy into Rex's scheme. That's what we need!

 

What we need is a $19M/season player to stop acting like a little B word and play up to his abilities with 100% effort.

[RuntheDamnBall]

Right?!? How do people look past this?

They shouldn't. Bruce took preseasons off and even held out, but he always came to ball for his teammates, often when hurt.

 

I lauded the Mario signing at the time -- we all did -- but this will be addition by subtraction, to say nothing of the fact that they can get 2-4 decent players hungry to play for the price Mario commands.

[Wayne Cubed]

Mario quitting was solely because it is in him to quit.

 

If anyone is looking for a scapegoat for anything around here, it is those that readily accept it is OK for Mario Williams to phuck his teammates, coaches, and fans simply because he didn't like what he was asked to do.

 

Being the best player on the team does not make that acceptable. Indeed, it makes it more comtemptable than it already is. He broke the code.

 

GO BILLS!!!

I don't get why it can't be both for some fans, it had to be one or the other. Rex is at fault for a bad defense or Mario Williams gave up.

 

How about Rex did mess up the defense AND Mario Williams completely gave up on his team. So he didn't like the scheme, that doesn't mean he should give no effort or take plays off. Especially at his salary and for how long he's been in the league. Set an example.

[wakingfane]

Everyone piles on Mario for not making effort to rush upfield. This has got to be BS! The reason he's not rushing upfield is because he's being asked to spy and play pocket contain to prevent late developing plays out of the backfield. I find it very hard to believe that he can be in the backfield at will one year and then the next year, just not get upfield because he doesn't feel like it or he doesn't like his coaches so he's quitting. He's mad about the scheme because the scheme has him hanging out 2-3 yards down field. Here's not just hanging out down field for fun because that's what he wants to do... Because he WANTS to look bad!

Edited December 31, 2015 by wakingfane

[Kelly the Dog]

You'll be fine. Mario is simply playing it out at this point in his career.

 

And didn't boyst post something about JW being "restricted" by AP from reporting on unnamed sources...only directly players/agents/coaches/FO?

Jw is an old school reporter working for an old school company. He needs two sources to confirm a story from people he would consider to be "in the know." He is not going to print something unless he gets that, and he is not going to name them. Pretty much anyone else covering the Bills is not held to that standard, although guys like Vic whi are beat reporters should be.

[Bills Fan in MD]

I don't get why it can't be both for some fans, it had to be one or the other. Rex is at fault for a bad defense or Mario Williams gave up.

 

How about Rex did mess up the defense AND Mario Williams completely gave up on his team. So he didn't like the scheme, that doesn't mean he should give no effort or take plays off. Especially at his salary and for how long he's been in the league. Set an example.

This is just about where I am on this whole thing. The contrast in effort with Hughes, who was just as badly misused, is telling.

[Mr. WEO]

I don't think Rex is a good head coach. But it's whistling past the graveyard to say that his defenses aren't historically dominant. In ten seasons running defenses, he has had 4 top-2 rankings, 7 top-6 rankings, and 9 top-12 rankings according to the highly reliable (in my opinion) Football Outsiders.

 

 

Do you disagree that his scheme has become obsolete, as the recent article posted here suggested?

[YoloinOhio]

So excited when the Bills signed him. Left with no choice but to cut him.

[K-9]

I don't get why it can't be both for some fans, it had to be one or the other. Rex is at fault for a bad defense or Mario Williams gave up.

How about Rex did mess up the defense AND Mario Williams completely gave up on his team. So he didn't like the scheme, that doesn't mean he should give no effort or take plays off. Especially at his salary and for how long he's been in the league. Set an example.

I have said numerous times that there can be dual realities.

 

Rex not being a good HC? Check.

 

Mario openly quitting on his teammates, coaches, and fans? Check.

 

Here is another possible reality: Mario quitting had more to do with the defensive regression than Ryan's scheme itself.

 

It is hard NOT to miss one of the best players in the game.

 

GO BILLS!!!

[Kelly the Dog]

We got one good, two great and one lousy year out of Mario for $80m. We also got Pettine and Schwartz to want to come he because Mario was here. He made Hughes and Dareus better for three of the four years. We didn't make the playoffs so overall because he basically gave up in retrospect it was a decent but not good or great signing. It did, however, help the defense tremendously overall. This year it hurt them although IMO Rex hurt them more than Mario did.

[Wayne Cubed]

I have said numerous times that there can be dual realities.

 

Rex not being a good HC? Check.

 

Mario openly quitting on his teammates, coaches, and fans? Check.

 

Here is another possible reality: Mario quitting had more to do with the defensive regression than Ryan's scheme itself.

 

It is hard NOT to miss one of the best players in the game.

 

GO BILLS!!!

Yup it's telling that Hughes was asked to drop in coverage and do some things different yet he was always going full speed. Running downfield, making tackles.

[YoloinOhio]

@christrapasso

 

Warning to teams thinking about signing Mario. He's not much more than run-stopping DE now. Huge. Decent hands. No burst. Power diminishing.

[K-9]

Yup it's telling that Hughes was asked to drop in coverage and do some things different yet he was always going full speed. Running downfield, making tackles.

Can't coach character, I guess. That is what those insisting on making this a Mario vs. Rex don't seem to understand.

 

GO BILLS!!!

[dave mcbride]

We got one good, two great and one lousy year out of Mario for $80m. We also got Pettine and Schwartz to want to come he because Mario was here. He made Hughes and Dareus better for three of the four years. We didn't make the playoffs so overall because he basically gave up in retrospect it was a decent but not good or great signing. It did, however, help the defense tremendously overall. This year it hurt them although IMO Rex hurt them more than Mario did.

$65-66 mill, not $80 mill.

 

 

Do you disagree that his scheme has become obsolete, as the recent article posted here suggested?

I honestly don't know. The Jets defense was good in 2013 and not so good in 2014, and that's pretty recent. However, they really did have a terrible CB situation in 2014--I mean, those guys simply couldn't cover--and I can't get past that. I'm willing to give him another year to get it right.

[Mr. WEO]

Can't coach character, I guess. That is what those insisting on making this a Mario vs. Rex don't seem to understand.

 

GO BILLS!!!

 

 

True. Does anyone think that, no matter what "scheme" he was put in on the Bills this year, JJ Watt would not still be getting the QB?

[Gordio]

This is less about money and more about Rex wanting to promote IK.

 

 

Great maybe we could open up against the pats next year & in pregame warmups IK could cold rooster Brady & send him to the ir for half the season.

[Maddog69]

^{Blame Mario all you want, it was Rex that caused the lack of production from a defensive grouping that was excellent the previous 3 years. So many people complained for years that Spiller wasn't used right and that our stupid OC's could blast him into space or whatever. LOL. Why isn't the same being said for Mario? He is a pass rush specialist being paid a huge salary to do just that. Rex decided to use him as a cover linebacker. Its completely idiotic. It's like using a Ferrari to delivery pizzas. Put the blame where it fits. The Mario signing was a great move by the Bills. A tremendous coup that shocked the NFL. Mario was very productive for 3 seasons and was completely wasted this year. Its a shame to see him go when sacks are at a premium in the NFL.}

[Kirby Jackson]

This was inevitable but it is still crazy to me. How can you not effectively use Mario Williams? He may have been gone even with a decent year but restructure always felt like the play. The Bills appeared to be heading in the right direction but Rex disarmed a solid defense. Now, they are improved on the offensive side (not great but improved) and pretty much a tire fire on ST and defense. I don't really understand how that happened??? Oh well, maybe with health and a couple of additions the defense can return to respectable.

[Kelly the Dog]

$65-66 mill, not $80 mill.

 

I honestly don't know. The Jets defense was good in 2013 and not so good in 2014, and that's pretty recent. However, they really did have a terrible CB situation in 2014--I mean, those guys simply couldn't cover--and I can't get past that. I'm willing to give him another year to get it right.

Thx for correction and agree with your assessment. Rex had zero chance with Jets in 2014.

[Maury Ballstein]

But we need a scape goat now. NOW!!!! You don't need $7M to bring in garbage players to make Rex look like he is overachieving.

Look whose getting emotional again. Have a snickers.

[Talley56]

Maybe I'm missing something but if we are going to get rid of him why not try trading him? I'm thinking a team playing the 4-3 would give us good value for him.

 

Letting him go for a division rival to pick up and hunt down Tyrod twice a year would be one of the more boneheaded moves we've ever made.

[K-9]

...Oh well, maybe with health and a couple of additions the defense can return to respectable.

That and not having players openly quit on their teammates, coaches, and fans.

 

GO BILLS!!!

[USABuffaloFan]

People need to speak with their tickets and not buying NFL package if your out of town. Tell Direct TV it is the Bills lack of playoff appearances as a team fan that is making it hard to shell out $250 to see them play. Word will get back to Pegula's. If Bills drop from 60k season tickets to 35K they will get the picture much quicker. It is not OK for Rex Ryan to come in here as HC/DC and take a top 4 defense and basically destroy what has been built. Pegula should tell Rex he needs to hire a top flight DC not named Ryan! Let Rex decide if he wants to stay! Mario is making to much but so is Darius, McCoy, Clay, K Williams, McKelvin, etc...

[nucci]

Maybe I'm missing something but if we are going to get rid of him why not try trading him? I'm thinking a team playing the 4-3 would give us good value for him.

 

Letting him go for a division rival to pick up and hunt down Tyrod twice a year would be one of the more boneheaded moves we've ever made.

No one will trade for him with that contract

[USABuffaloFan]

Maybe I'm missing something but if we are going to get rid of him why not try trading him? I'm thinking a team playing the 4-3 would give us good value for him.

 

Letting him go for a division rival to pick up and hunt down Tyrod twice a year would be one of the more boneheaded moves we've ever made.

Noone wants that contract on a 4 sack season. On second thought call Daniel Snyder!

[nucci]

People need to speak with their tickets and not buying NFL package if your out of town. Tell Direct TV it is the Bills lack of playoff appearances as a team fan that is making it hard to shell out $250 to see them play. Word will get back to Pegula's. If Bills drop from 60k season tickets to 35K they will get the picture much quicker. It is not OK for Rex Ryan to come in here as HC/DC and take a top 4 defense and basically destroy what has been built. Pegula should tell Rex he needs to hire a top flight DC not named Ryan! Let Rex decide if he wants to stay! Mario is making to much but so is Darius, McCoy, Clay, K Williams, McKelvin, etc...

When I tell this to DirecTV they feel sorry for me and give me the Sunday Ticket free or at a substantial discount.

Edited December 31, 2015 by nucci

[4merper4mer]

I don't think Rex is a good head coach. But it's whistling past the graveyard to say that his defenses aren't historically dominant. In ten seasons running defenses, he has had 4 top-2 rankings, 7 top-6 rankings, and 9 top-12 rankings according to the highly reliable (in my opinion) Football Outsiders.

 

Dude the game changes. Rex's defense had elite levels of talent to work with this year. You saw the results. Go ahead and blame Mario for that.

 

Wee Willie Keeler dominated too. He bunted foul with 2 strikes until he worked a walk. He was so dominant they changed the rule because of what he did. He has as much of a chance of a return to dominance as Rex.

 

Do I want the Bills to win with Rex? Of course. I like the guy. It is plain to see that they won't win though because if his scheme is so inflexible that it makes Mario Williams and Marcell Dareus look bad, it isn't going to work.

 

The graveyard we're all whistling past in the 2016 and 2107 seasons, It sucks but it is true.

@christrapasso

 

Warning to teams thinking about signing Mario. He's not much more than run-stopping DE now. Huge. Decent hands. No burst. Power diminishing.

LOL. The knives are out. If the Pats sign him this idiot will call them geniuses.

[Dan]

What we need is a $19M/season player to stop acting like a little B word and play up to his abilities with 100% effort.

But isn't it on the coaching staff to put him in a position to play up to his abilities? What if he'sbeing asked to cover TEs out of the backfield, or to set the edge and not rush the passer? Is that what he's best at?

 

So, sure, people say he should be getting constant pressure on the snaps he's asked to rush the passer? But that's putting your players in a position to fail. No one gets pressure on every single snap. Especially, when he's gassed because of the lack of substitutions and the fact that he's running around covering backs part of the time.

 

The problem is the same problem we've seen for over a decade. Run good players out of town because crappy coaches can't figure out how to use them. A year ago, we had one of the best pass rushing defenses in the league. Now we have to retool the defense with new players, because the old players suddenly got bad. It's the very definition of treading water. We've all seen it many times over, and it's happening again.

 

Personally, I'm not saying Mario is indispensable. Cut him, keep him. I honestly don't think it matters. As long as we just continue to rearrange the deck chairs, the real problems are being ignored.

[26CornerBlitz]

 

Dude the game changes. Rex's defense had elite levels of talent to work with this year. You saw the results. Go ahead and blame Mario for that.

 

Wee Willie Keeler dominated too. He bunted foul with 2 strikes until he worked a walk. He was so dominant they changed the rule because of what he did. He has as much of a chance of a return to dominance as Rex.

 

Do I want the Bills to win with Rex? Of course. I like the guy. It is plain to see that they won't win though because if his scheme is so inflexible that it makes Mario Williams and Marcell Dareus look bad, it isn't going to work.

 

The graveyard we're all whistling past in the 2016 and 2107 seasons, It sucks but it is true.

LOL. The knives are out. If the Pats sign him this idiot will call them geniuses.

 

Guess we'll see you in 2018. Be well.

But isn't it on the coaching staff to put him in a position to play up to his abilities? What if he'sbeing asked to cover TEs out of the backfield, or to set the edge and not rush the passer? Is that what he's best at?

 

So, sure, people say he should be getting constant pressure on the snaps he's asked to rush the passer? But that's putting your players in a position to fail. No one gets pressure on every single snap. Especially, when he's gassed because of the lack of substitutions and the fact that he's running around covering backs part of the time.

 

The problem is the same problem we've seen for over a decade. Run good players out of town because crappy coaches can't figure out how to use them. A year ago, we had one of the best pass rushing defenses in the league. Now we have to retool the defense with new players, because the old players suddenly got bad. It's the very definition of treading water. We've all seen it many times over, and it's happening again.

 

Personally, I'm not saying Mario is indispensable. Cut him, keep him. I honestly don't think it matters. As long as we just continue to rearrange the deck chairs, the real problems are being ignored.

 

Guys like Muhammad Wilkerson have thrived in Ryan's defense, so I'm not buying into Mario not being able to do well in this system. Mario can do well in any defense if he feels like it.

[BrooklynBills]

cap savings are much better keeping him until june 1st. we'd save an additional $7mm in cap hit.

We can designate him a June 1st cut at any time; every team gets 2 to use before June 1st, but his cap hit remains on the books until June 1st. It would not help us in FA or in re-signing Glenn or Richie. It would spread the dead money over the 2016 and 2017 season. Cutting him outright means we take the full hit just in 2016. We are not such a dire cap space situation that we will need the added savings next year. But we do need space in 2017 to re-sign Gilmore and possibly Taylor. Contrary to common belief, Gilmore is signed next season at a 1 yr/$11 mil cap number. They do need to give him a new contract before next season but he currently counts 11 million against the 2016 salary cap

 

So the big re-signings for 2016 are:

Glenn(~8-9 million)

Richie(~4-5 million)

Cutting Mario without the June 1st designation saves us 12.9 million on the 2016 salary cap with zero dead money in 2017(edit). And that money can be used right away.

Edited December 31, 2015 by BrooklynBills

[4merper4mer]

Look whose getting emotional again. Have a snickers.

 

 

Are you stoned again? Because it sounds like you're stoned again.

 

You see what I was doing there was mocking people that are getting emotional. When you sober up read the thread from the beginning.

Noone wants that contract on a 4 sack season. On second thought call Daniel Snyder!

Is Noone the GM for the Redskins?

[26CornerBlitz]

Look whose getting emotional again. Have a snickers.

 

[4merper4mer]

 

Guess we'll see you in 2018. Be well.

 

 

 

Oh I'll be here and rooting for the Bills too. I just realize that they are up against it in having to overcome their coach. Answer honestly: Do you think Mario Williams or the Buffalo Bills have a better chance of being in the 2016 playoffs?