John from Riverside Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 They are taking turns making mistakes on the offensive line......and our run blocking is non existant A few thoughts - I am starting to realize that neither Henderson NOR Kujo are really the answer at RT. - Miller is playing like a rookie.....so he gets a bit of a pass....but I am really hoping that his play improves over the course of the season - Wood needs to be replaced - Cog and Glenn are our best players....BUT.....Glenn probably would be a better fit at RT....and....he might not even be in the long term plans This OL needs a major retooling in the offseason.....this group as it is composed is NOT the answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 I don't see an issue with run blocking, but I do with pass protection. The right side is ugly, watching Henderson get smoked and Miller completely turned around. I knew hand technique was an issue with Miller, since I paid more attention to him before the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 11, 2015 Author Share Posted October 11, 2015 Goat.....if we had a OL that was run blocking well.....we would be able to churn out 1st downs even with Boobie running the ball. I am shocked that Herron gave way to Boobie late in the game.....you can tell Herron is a much better back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 Year after year our OLine is inadequate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 Goat.....if we had a OL that was run blocking well.....we would be able to churn out 1st downs even with Boobie running the ball. I am shocked that Herron gave way to Boobie late in the game.....you can tell Herron is a much better back I'd have to watch it closer to really analyze it, but I could see open lanes, at least. I think a healthy McCoy and Karlos would've had a couple big runs today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max997 Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 Oddly enough the only position on the line I feel good about is the guards Woods problems were overshadowed by the horrid guard play last year but he is a below avg center Both tackles struggled today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 They are taking turns making mistakes on the offensive line......and our run blocking is non existant A few thoughts - I am starting to realize that neither Henderson NOR Kujo are really the answer at RT. - Miller is playing like a rookie.....so he gets a bit of a pass....but I am really hoping that his play improves over the course of the season - Wood needs to be replaced - Cog and Glenn are our best players....BUT.....Glenn probably would be a better fit at RT....and....he might not even be in the long term plans This OL needs a major retooling in the offseason.....this group as it is composed is NOT the answer. There are football people who've made evaluations that 5 games in, were way off the mark. For the Bills to hire Rex Ryan and his brand of offensive football and not improve the OL much, it's a clear lack of understanding between the front office and coaches. Doug Whaley said this off-season that "he has the Bills roster awfully close" to "perennially compete for the postseason and championships." I think even Doug has to reflect on that statement as pure hype. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 I don't see an issue with run blocking, but I do with pass protection. The right side is ugly, watching Henderson get smoked and Miller completely turned around. I knew hand technique was an issue with Miller, since I paid more attention to him before the draft. The rushing stats look good because the QB was the leading rusher with 8 for 76, one TD Without the QB rushing 127 - 76= 51 yards on 20 rushes, and that equals 2.55 ypc avg instead of the 4.5 avg per rush. Then take away that Taylor running TD, and its a loss. The OP is right, "and our run blocking is non existent" The O line was the biggest area of need this last off season, and they didn't do enough to build a good enough unit for the power run blocking scheme this OC wants to run. The Bills are exceedingly lucky to have Tyrod Taylor! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 There are football people who've made evaluations that 5 games in, were way off the mark. For the Bills to hire Rex Ryan and his brand of offensive football and not improve the OL much, it's a clear lack of understanding between the front office and coaches. Doug Whaley said this off-season that "he has the Bills roster awfully close" to "perennially compete for the postseason and championships." I think even Doug has to reflect on that statement as pure hype. This is the year of the awful offensive line all around the NFL. My theory: the big guys who are good athletes are all playing defense these days. That's where the attention is, and that's where the money goes. Watching the Broncos-Raiders now where the O lines are respectively awful (Broncos) and just plain bad (Raiders) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 11, 2015 Author Share Posted October 11, 2015 I just think it is time to get really OL heavy in a draft...... I dont want to reach....but if its a choice between equal grades on a playmaker and a big ugly Give me the big ugly.....a few times please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 Goat.....if we had a OL that was run blocking well.....we would be able to churn out 1st downs even with Boobie running the ball. I am shocked that Herron gave way to Boobie late in the game.....you can tell Herron is a much better back He probably doesn't know the playbook well enough to play in all situations. Also, when he's in there the other team pretty muck knows he's getting the ball on a run because he's unlikely to know the pass blocking schemes, which doesn't help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Beard Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 There are football people who've made evaluations that 5 games in, were way off the mark. For the Bills to hire Rex Ryan and his brand of offensive football and not improve the OL much, it's a clear lack of understanding between the front office and coaches. Doug Whaley said this off-season that "he has the Bills roster awfully close" to "perennially compete for the postseason and championships." I think even Doug has to reflect on that statement as pure hype. That roster is missing a few O-Line pieces. Get 'er done Whaley! I just think it is time to get really OL heavy in a draft...... I dont want to reach....but if its a choice between equal grades on a playmaker and a big ugly Give me the big ugly.....a few times please +1000 Many of us have been saying this for years! Now it is painfully obvious that the largest missing piece of the puzzle is the O-Line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 I thought the OL was terrible today. There were no holes at all in the run game. Taylor had a little time but only a little time. Henderson is just bad. Miller is not ready. Wood is average at best. Incognito and Glenn were not glaringly bad but not good either. 99, who is very good, was abusing them the entire game. As was Morgan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 OL did fine ... Again. Taylor just sucked .... Again. OL is not the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 12, 2015 Author Share Posted October 12, 2015 Gug, We are not gonna agree on that at all lol (about the OL) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 (edited) I don't see an issue with run blocking, but I do with pass protection. The right side is ugly, watching Henderson get smoked and Miller completely turned around. I knew hand technique was an issue with Miller, since I paid more attention to him before the draft. The run blocking was godawful. Wood was ragdolled repeatedly. Those running plays aren't designed to result in 1.5 yard gains, btw - they're supposed to do a lot more than that. Edited October 12, 2015 by dave mcbride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 The run blocking was godawful. Wood was ragdolled repeatedly. Those running plays aren't designed to result in 1.5 yard gains, btw - they're supposed to do a lot more than that. Awful. The whole game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 I'm going to withhold judgement on Henderson, Cyrus, and Miller until they're in their 5th season. I think that's only fair. Don't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Awful. The whole game. This team has one good lineman, and his contract is up after this year. The jury is out on Miller, but he hasn't looked good so far. I do hold out hope for him, however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 This team has one good lineman, and his contract is up after this year. The jury is out on Miller, but he hasn't looked good so far. I do hold out hope for him, however.Incognito is pretty good overall. Wood is fair. Glenn is pretty good but I was expecting him to be very good this year. Miller has been mediocre at best but I agree I hold out hope. Henderson I really don't know about. He may just suck or not have the right mental makeup for this. I wonder how much Kromer could help. I didn't think it would make much difference but maybe it does. They have not been good. That said, who can run with their top two RB out. TT has time to throw sometimes at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 12, 2015 Author Share Posted October 12, 2015 I'm going to withhold judgement on Henderson, Cyrus, and Miller until they're in their 5th season. I think that's only fair. Don't you? I dont know....will they be on their 5th start in the NFL at that time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dulles Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 I don't see an issue with run blocking, but I do with pass protection. The right side is ugly, watching Henderson get smoked and Miller completely turned around. I knew hand technique was an issue with Miller, since I paid more attention to him before the draft. How soon does Kromer come back? I think that we went through a similar downturn during the preseason while Kromer was out. I know he doesn't actually play the games, but he has to have some ideas to improve the situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Johnson Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Goat.....if we had a OL that was run blocking well.....we would be able to churn out 1st downs even with Boobie running the ball. I am shocked that Herron gave way to Boobie late in the game.....you can tell Herron is a much better back I don't know if there is a running back in the league that is slower to the point of attack than Boobie Dixon is right now. I loved Boobie's performance in 2014 and think that his calf injury may still be lingering. But there is no O-Line that would have gotten him going today. Herron's ball security and lack of experience made him a bad option at the end of the day. The Bengals gave up 200 yards on the ground at home today with Marshawn Lynch out. I haven't been thrilled with our line play yet either, but let's see how they do against Cincinnati when Karlos Williams comes back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 12, 2015 Author Share Posted October 12, 2015 I don't know if there is a running back in the league that is slower to the point of attack than Boobie Dixon is right now. I loved Boobie's performance in 2014 and think that his calf injury may still be lingering. But there is no O-Line that would have gotten him going today. Herron's ball security and lack of experience made him a bad option at the end of the day. The Bengals gave up 200 yards on the ground at home today with Marshawn Lynch out. I haven't been thrilled with our line play yet either, but let's see how they do against Cincinnati when Karlos Williams comes back. Does anyone know how bad Cierre Wood is hurt The backs should be Till Shady comes back Karlos and Herron after Shady comes back Shady and Karlos with Herron as the 3rd back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobChalmers Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 They are taking turns making mistakes on the offensive line......and our run blocking is non existant A few thoughts - I am starting to realize that neither Henderson NOR Kujo are really the answer at RT. - Miller is playing like a rookie.....so he gets a bit of a pass....but I am really hoping that his play improves over the course of the season - Wood needs to be replaced - Cog and Glenn are our best players....BUT.....Glenn probably would be a better fit at RT....and....he might not even be in the long term plans This OL needs a major retooling in the offseason.....this group as it is composed is NOT the answer. Nothing has changed - 5 weeks now w/o an OLine coach, so of course they aren't good enough. Very hard to form a judgement until then. They looked awfully good in the preseason games, during which he was still around. Hopefully Kromer will make a difference in 2 weeks. How soon does Kromer come back? I think that we went through a similar downturn during the preseason while Kromer was out. I know he doesn't actually play the games, but he has to have some ideas to improve the situation. 6 week suspension - he comes back after the Cincy game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent 91 Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 I just think it is time to get really OL heavy in a draft...... I dont want to reach....but if its a choice between equal grades on a playmaker and a big ugly Give me the big ugly.....a few times please Every other spot. LT C and RT need to be blown up. I dont put stock in Glenn being here passed this year. But if he is... he either has to replace Cog or Miller at guard... which im not a fan of. Or move to RT. The Glenn experiment is over Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 12, 2015 Author Share Posted October 12, 2015 Every other spot. LT C and RT need to be blown up. I dont put stock in Glenn being here passed this year. But if he is... he either has to replace Cog or Miller at guard... which im not a fan of. Or move to RT. The Glenn experiment is over I think Glenn would make a crackerjack RT......but someone will probably pay him LT money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent 91 Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 I'm going to withhold judgement on Henderson, Cyrus, and Miller until they're in their 5th season. I think that's only fair. Don't you? Little facetious arent we. BUT seriously. I think they need a non suspended coach and more than this little bit of time... Every and I mean EVERY line sucks until it gels. Henderson and Wood are flat out not cutting it. Henderson i might give a little more rope seeing as he shouldnt be a starter yet. But wood? He has to go I think Glenn would make a crackerjack RT......but someone will probably pay him LT money I am of that same line of thought. I think he is going to get the money somewhere. But LT he is not. I was one of those guys who thought the bills were too cute drafting him to play tackle when he was a guard. Im not sure how wrong I was about him at LT but i dont think there is any egg on my face Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 The rushing stats look good because the QB was the leading rusher with 8 for 76, one TD Without the QB rushing 127 - 76= 51 yards on 20 rushes, and that equals 2.55 ypc avg instead of the 4.5 avg per rush. Then take away that Taylor running TD, and its a loss. The OP is right, "and our run blocking is non existent" The O line was the biggest area of need this last off season, and they didn't do enough to build a good enough unit for the power run blocking scheme this OC wants to run. The Bills are exceedingly lucky to have Tyrod Taylor! Look who ran behind that line yesterday. Enough said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Look who ran behind that line yesterday. Enough said. More like, look at the 7 and 8 men in the box they faced... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 We need Williams in the backfield ASAP (hope, hope). Even with the mediocre run blocking he hits any crease hard and fast. It would buy time until McCoy gets healthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Look who ran behind that line yesterday. Enough said. More like, look at the 7 and 8 men in the box they faced... Its so easy to make excuses about lack of talent at the RB position or the defense they faced. The bigger issue is about the talent on the offensive line that is and has been lacking for years. Wanna look at LeSean McCoy stats even when healthy? The 6 million dollar RB has 43 rushes for 143 yards 0 TD's in three games played equals 47.6 yards per game, and that equals 3.25 ypc avg. While Karlos Williams has looked brilliant in relief of McCoy in games, and even had a good game against Miami. Lets look at what he did against the NY Giants as the starter, an abysmal 18 rushes for 40 yards for a 2.2 ypc avg 0 TD. Lots of teams stack the box to stop the run and yet teams still find a way to run on them. Also, its important to watch the game, and visually see for yourself if there are holes for the RB to hit or not. Most of the time this year its been or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 I dont know....will they be on their 5th start in the NFL at that time?I'm not sure, but since you don't have a copy of the Bills Playbook, you really aren't qualified to talk about this stuff. That's what I was told by someone earlier. He seemed pretty sure of himself, so you should probably take that guy's advice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 12, 2015 Author Share Posted October 12, 2015 I'm not sure, but since you don't have a copy of the Bills Playbook, you really aren't qualified to talk about this stuff. That's what I was told by someone earlier. He seemed pretty sure of himself, so you should probably take that guy's advice. Well you are the smartest guy in the room..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Well you are the smartest guy in the room.....When it's you and I in the room, yes. Every single time. But yeah, joking aside, to be honest: you should take that guy's advice and stop talking about things you aren't qualified in. Sorry man. I mean, that guy really was emphatic about that point. You should listen to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 12, 2015 Author Share Posted October 12, 2015 (edited) When it's you and I in the room, yes. Every single time. But yeah, joking aside, to be honest: you should take that guy's advice and stop talking about things you aren't qualified in. Sorry man. I mean, that guy really was emphatic about that point. You should listen to him. The problem is.....your the only person in the room and Your mom told me you need to get of her basement and get a life Edited October 12, 2015 by John from Hemet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 The problem is.....your the only person in the roomNaw man. That guy who told me that unless I had the Bills Playbook I didn't know what I was talking about is here too. Or was he wrong? What are your thoughts? I mean, it's a simple yes or no question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 12, 2015 Author Share Posted October 12, 2015 Naw man. That guy who told me that unless I had the Bills Playbook I didn't know what I was talking about is here too. Or was he wrong? What are your thoughts? I mean, it's a simple yes or no question. Why do you need my opinion? You are in fact the smartest person in the room...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Your mom told me you need to get of her basement and get a lifeSick burn, man. I could have sworn that guy had something say about insults as well. I guess you really can't get with that guy's opinion. He must have been completely full of hot air. Or he's schizophrenic. My money's on both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 12, 2015 Author Share Posted October 12, 2015 Sick burn, man. I could have sworn that guy had something say about insults as well. I guess you really can't get with that guy's opinion. He must have been completely full of hot air. Or he's schizophrenic. My money's on both. Unless your talking to yourself I dont know where your going with that.... Seek help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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