Reviewing the game film.....Seantrel must improve

[John from Riverside]

I am reviewing my my league pass specifically watching OL play against the colts

 

What people are saying about Henderson (and to a smaller degree....the rookie Miller) they must improve

 

I am into the 2nd quarter....a couple of specifically plays.....

 

Seantrel gives a minimal effort.....the releases to block on a screen.......Seantrel leads the blocking...then completely wiffs on the defender that tackled the ball carrier...I mean.....COMPLETELY wiffs....doesnt even get in front of him to give the runner a chance to make a cut to go one way or the other for more yardage....that play could ahve EASILY been a touchdown

 

and

 

Running play to the other side of the line......defender comes through Seantrel's gap of responsibility without Henderson getting a mitt on him and makes the tackle while shady is running side line to sideline.....Henderson totally waste bends....doesnt move his feet and doesnt get there...

 

Thats not gonna do Seantrel you are way to friggen athletic to allow plays like that to happen......just friggen bad technique and lazy.

 

He has so much potential.....really need for him to live up to it

[Hapless Bills Fan]

I am reviewing my my league pass specifically watching OL play against the colts

 

What people are saying about Henderson (and to a smaller degree....the rookie Miller) they must improve

 

I am into the 2nd quarter....a couple of specifically plays.....

 

Seantrel gives a minimal effort.....the releases to block on a screen.......Seantrel leads the blocking...then completely wiffs on the defender that tackled the ball carrier...I mean.....COMPLETELY wiffs....doesnt even get in front of him to give the runner a chance to make a cut to go one way or the other for more yardage....that play could ahve EASILY been a touchdown

 

and

 

Running play to the other side of the line......defender comes through Seantrel's gap of responsibility without Henderson getting a mitt on him and makes the tackle while shady is running side line to sideline.....Henderson totally waste bends....doesnt move his feet and doesnt get there...

 

Thats not gonna do Seantrel you are way to friggen athletic to allow plays like that to happen......just friggen bad technique and lazy.

 

He has so much potential.....really need for him to live up to it

 

If he doesn't put out the effort, Kujo will get a chance to show what he can accomplish

 

Thanks for the input....can you provide any insight into Wood and Glenn? Typically when vet guys get flagged for 3-4 holds it's the tip of the iceberg

[John from Riverside]

 

If he doesn't put out the effort, Kujo will get a chance to show what he can accomplish

 

Thanks for the input....can you provide any insight into Wood and Glenn? Typically when vet guys get flagged for 3-4 holds it's the tip of the iceberg

I gotta be honest...I thought some of those holds they were calling on particularly Glenn were iffy.....that kind of holding happens on every play

 

One thing totally unrelated.....but gave me smile

 

Immediately after Karlos WIllaims TD.......the cameras panned to Tyrod Taylor addressing the whole offense it looked like.......and you could tell NOBODY was tuning him out

 

He truly is the leader of this team

[QB Bills]

Henderson was awful on Sunday. And he sucked last year too. He may have potential, and might be good one day, but with the offense Roman wants to run, this guy might bring all that crashing down. Why not try to sign Jake Long? Or maybe give Kujo a chance.

[Big C]

Henderson was awful on Sunday. And he sucked last year too. He may have potential, and might be good one day, but with the offense Roman wants to run, this guy might bring all that crashing down. Why not try to sign Jake Long? Or maybe give Kujo a chance.

They gave Kujo a chance and seantrel still beat him.

[John from Riverside]

They gave Kujo a chance and seantrel still beat him.

That doesnt mean much if Henderson doesnt pick up his play

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

I saw that too. Made me realize the advantage of having a QB while never started a game he has 4 years experience as opposed ot a rookie coming in. A rookie wouldn't be doing that kind of thing.

 

 

One thing totally unrelated.....but gave me smile

 

Immediately after Karlos WIllaims TD.......the cameras panned to Tyrod Taylor addressing the whole offense it looked like.......and you could tell NOBODY was tuning him out

 

He truly is the leader of this team

[GunnerBill]

I haven't got around to it yet but my instant reaction watching first time was that Henderson was bad. Especially first half. There were at least three tackles for loss in the backfield that were on him and even Tyrod's TD pass the rusher coming at him from the left was Henderson's man. Henderson just got enough hand on him to give Tyrod time to get the ball out but he had to throw when he did.

[Wayne Cubed]

I haven't got around to it yet but my instant reaction watching first time was that Henderson was bad. Especially first half. There were at least three tackles for loss in the backfield that were on him and even Tyrod's TD pass the rusher coming at him from the left was Henderson's man. Henderson just got enough hand on him to give Tyrod time to get the ball out but he had to throw when he did.

 

I just finished taking a look at the all-22 and it is bad. From the looks of it, it looks like a lot of mental errors by both Henderson and Wood. For example, in the first series on 3rd down, the one where Tyrod scrambles, the Colts show blitz but only end up rushing 4. Wood and Ingonito both ignore one of the Colts rusher, it looks like Wood should have picked him up, and let him run free for Ka. Williams to block. The Colts had 4 rushing and the Bills had 6 blocking and still couldn't stop it. Another on a 4 yard loss by McCoy, Henderson shots past the DE to the block the LB, it's a stretch play so the DE easily runs down the line and tackles McCoy for a loss. Langford, the DE Henderson was up against, had a good day.

[GunnerBill]

Yep - Langford - that is the fella. He had a big day.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

They gave Kujo a chance and seantrel still beat him.

 

Seantrel was motivated and beat out Kujo in training camp/preseason. If Seantrel is whiffing on blocks and getting sloppy on technique, time for a rematch.

[Augie]

If Seantrel is whiffing and Kujo STILL doesn't get a shot, that tells you something about their confidence in Kojo. Time will tell, but I sure hope somebody steps up!

[ganesh]

Did the wet field play into the below average OL play? May be they did not get their necessary footing.

[Fan in Chicago]

I haven't seen the All-22 but just from the game itself, there were at least 2 instances when Henderson totally blew his block and looked lost. A couple of thoughts:

- He will have a short leash and Kujo should be chomping at the bit

- The line is very new. No player has played with the one next to him last year. Chemistry cannot be under rated especially on the O Line. I would give it 3-4 games more for them to try and gel. If after that point, we still see penalties from the OLineman on a regular basis, I would start becoming concerned

 

For now, as with everything positive and positiive, it is way too early to detect trends

Edited September 15, 2015 by Fan in Chicago

[Bills Fan in Beantown]

Anyone think there might be an effect of Kromer's suspension?

[26CornerBlitz]

 

Exhibit A.

[Buffaloed in Pa]

He did suck. Beaten like a rented mule.

[GunnerBill]

 

Exhibit A.

 

I mean I have never played a snap of the sport in anger but how the hell does one get themselves that out of position?? All Henderson has to do there is keep inside leverage and there is a nice gap for the back to get through and isolate the linebacker (#50) 1v1 in relative space. That could be a big gain. Miller actually did his job really well on that play but Henderson just totally whiffed.

[BuffaloBill]

 

Exhibit A.

Turnstile

[KDIGGZ]

Henderson was bad and Miller is a rookie. Nobody should be surprised, we saw this coming. We begged them to sign a veteran OL and I think they tried but failed. It's a glaring hole on offense that is going to haunt us all season long.

 

Im more worried about next year though. Glenn is a free agent, Incognito (our only good lineman on Sunday) is good as gone. We are in trouble

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

Why is Incognito "good as gone"? What evidence do you have that apparently no one else has to support that?

 

Are you saying the Bills won't want to re-sign him? Barring another off-field issue don't see that happening. Is it still that Ralph is cheap that will prevent him from signing?? Will he be the most sought after FA out there, doubt that as many teams may still shy away from him. If the Bills want him back, I think they have as good a chance as any, probably even better than most to re-sign him. He's signed here twice so must not hate the place, Rex is a players coach, i.e. doubt he'd go to a plac elike the Giants if TC is still the head coach.

 

 

Henderson was bad and Miller is a rookie. Nobody should be surprised, we saw this coming. We begged them to sign a veteran OL and I think they tried but failed. It's a glaring hole on offense that is going to haunt us all season long.

Im more worried about next year though. Glenn is a free agent, Incognito (our only good lineman on Sunday) is good as gone. We are in trouble

[Nihilarian]

Henderson was unbelievably bad against the Raiders last year when the Bills vying for a playoff berth. But then the rest of the team wasn't that much better. So many times I watched CJ Spiller get tackled behind the line of scrimmage, and when that happens its all on the line. Urbik was particularly bad in run blocking that game.

 

Arron Kromer was supposed to fix these issues, and just maybe you can't make a silk purse...

[ganesh]

I think they can tag Glenn.

[KDIGGZ]

Why is Incognito "good as gone"? What evidence do you have that apparently no one else has to support that?

 

Are you saying the Bills won't want to re-sign him? Barring another off-field issue don't see that happening. Is it still that Ralph is cheap that will prevent him from signing?? Will he be the most sought after FA out there, doubt that as many teams may still shy away from him. If the Bills want him back, I think they have as good a chance as any, probably even better than most to re-sign him. He's signed here twice so must not hate the place, Rex is a players coach, i.e. doubt he'd go to a plac elike the Giants if TC is still the head coach.

 

 

he's playing at a very high level. as good as he was when he made the pro bowl. we won't be able to afford him, he will get a big deal elsewhere. we should have signed him to a 2 year deal instead of 1. him and Percy Harvin are just here to lay low, stay out of trouble, play good football, and turn that into a big contract elsewhere

[Nihilarian]

Henderson was awful on Sunday. And he sucked last year too. He may have potential, and might be good one day, but with the offense Roman wants to run, this guy might bring all that crashing down. Why not try to sign Jake Long? Or maybe give Kujo a chance.

Jake Long is an Atlanta Falcon as of yesterday.

[Lofton80]

I expect overloads with Chandler Jones or Ninkovich stunting with a lineman crossing in front of Henderson to make him pick one and the other runs free. Those 2 guys create havoc against the Bils.

[26CornerBlitz]

I expect overloads with Chandler Jones or Ninkovich stunting with a lineman crossing in front of Henderson to make him pick one and the other runs free. Those 2 guys create havoc against the Bils.

 

Mulligan has to be an effective blocker on that side for the Bills offense to succeed on Sunday.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

Did the wet field play into the below average OL play? May be they did not get their necessary footing.

 

Didn't see this one before. The wet field impacts all the players. The OLmen have a harder time planting, but so do the DLmen. It's still about footwork and angles.

[26CornerBlitz]

 

Didn't see this one before. The wet field impacts all the players. The OLmen have a harder time planting, but so do the DLmen. It's still about footwork and angles.

 

It's technique in general with leverage, knee bend, and hand placement included.

[John from Riverside]

 

Mulligan has to be an effective blocker on that side for the Bills offense to succeed on Sunday.

Def why Mulligan is still on the team......

 

Just something to consider x' ans o' wise....I dont expect crazy blitzing from the pats all day......when you do that you break containment on mobile QBs....they want to keep Tyrod IN the pocket.

[2020 Our Year For Sure]

Thanks for putting the time in, John, my favorite threads are the ones that begin with game obversations. I believe there are further examples in the game of Henderson struggling (but not struggling too hard, that would be tiring).

 

In the limited observation I've done of Hendy in his time here it seems the trends he's exhibited are shining through in your post. I think we agree this is not a guy showing a whole lot of ambition on the field.

 

I think there is some potential with this player, though how much is up for debate. Yes he's 6'7, 331 with long arms and an otherwise well-proportioned body- this kid looks the part in every conceivable way. But he doesn't seem to have the kind of power it looks like he should have. I've never seen him line up and drive a defender backwards. I was interested to learn that he skipped the bench press at the combine...

 

His technique in the run game isn't bad, it is nonexistent. The CLE preseason games, one of his best run snaps was one where he was tasked with getting to the second level and sealing the Mike LB inside on a run wide to the right. Henderson gets turned around, flails his way forward and the LB actually bumps right into Hendy's backside. It delayed him enough for the HB to get outside but this nonexistent technique just won't cut it against the best of the best. The one thing he can do in the run game with any consistency is get into a hole and wall off. I suspect that's because it doesn't take a whole lot of effort, or power, comparatively.

 

His pass pro is a good deal better than his run work but still needs a good deal of improvement. He flashes good proper footwork but it's wildly inconsistent, and he seems to have little chance of stopping any move inside to his left. He's still 6'7 331 with long arms and relatively athletic feet when he's bothered to use them.

 

In order for this young man to unlock whatever potential he has great or small, someone needs to get through to Seantrel and cause him to fundamentally re-think what it takes to succeed in the NFL and whether that's something he wants or not.

 

From what I saw of Kouandjio he's better than last year as he flashes the ability to move large men around in the run game, but again, even this is wildly inconsistent. He still whiffs and can't be counted on to do his job snap in and snap out. I won't even speak much of his pass pro, suffice to say it's still a mess and he would struggle. Roman would have no choice but to devote manpower to helping this guy all afternoon long.

 

If CK was a consistent run blocker who's ready to go, I'd without hesitation say start him and find a way to deal with the pass pro issues. Even though his run blocking (and overall game) is still a work in progress it may make sense to start Kouandjio anyway, as long as maximum effort is there, because desire will allow for coachability and growth. One thing I'm sure of is that if Henderson doesn't drastically increase his desire to be good then he won't last long on a Rex Ryan team.

 

They made a strong run at Bulaga which had me on pins and needles, and when Bulaga stayed in GB for less money they figured they could improve Henderson's effort through coaching and it wasn't worth it to sign a lower level veteran. To this point, that has not happened, and it's a line of thinking I disagreed with from the start. I think folks are now seeing why I and a handful of others (FearTheLosing comes to mind, crazy bastard that he is ) spent the entire offseason pounding the table for a right tackle. Roman had success with the best RT and best offensive line in the NFL. It made little sense to enter the season with nothing but sophomores who had shown poorly as rookies.

 

The ugly and infuriating truth is that this is a better offensive line if we re-sign Erik Pears! Another option was to sign a mid- or low-level FA comparable to Pears. Whaley did nothing because he and his coaching staff overrated (you betcha) what Henderson brought to the table.

 

We'll almost certainly upgrade the position after the season but it's too late for 2015, short of Whaley swinging a trade, which I'm praying for. But the point is we never should've allowed ourselves into this predicament.

 

That said...we have a serious football team, no?

[Fan in Chicago]

Is this a good time to lament the loss of Chris Hairston ? Should we have kept him until one of Henderson and Kouandjio proved capable ?

It went largely unnoticed but was there an effort to keep Hairston ? (note: he is with the Chargers now)

[hondo in seattle]

 

Didn't see this one before. The wet field impacts all the players. The OLmen have a harder time planting, but so do the DLmen. It's still about footwork and angles.

 

 

True. But some players handle a wet field better than others. Maybe Henderson is just bad at it. I hope that's the case because he looked bad on Sunday.

 

While the media was obsessed with the QB battle during the offseason, I was worrying about the OL and I'm still worried about it.

Edited September 16, 2015 by hondo in seattle

[Peter]

 

Exhibit A.

At what time in the game is this?

[2020 Our Year For Sure]

Is this a good time to lament the loss of Chris Hairston ? Should we have kept him until one of Henderson and Kouandjio proved capable ?

It went largely unnoticed but was there an effort to keep Hairston ? (note: he is with the Chargers now)

"We get wise by asking questions, and even if these are not answered, we get wise, for a well-packed question carries its answer on its back as a snail carries its shell."

[Pete]

http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/nfl/colts/2015/09/09/untested-unproven-line-colts-biggest-gamble/71885394/

 

The biggest weakness on the Bills is their oline. Glenn and Richie are solid. I am hoping for big things from Miller. Sentrel and Wood need to get their **** together. The Indy dline is garbage. Yet they could not open holes. The Jets and Fins have ferocious lines. Our Oline is the one position that might keep us from winning the Superbowl. Hopefully they gel and get it together

 

http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/nfl/colts/2015/09/09/untested-unproven-line-colts-biggest-gamble/71885394/

What's left, amidst the rubble, is startling, and not necessarily encouraging: Six defensive linemen on the Colts' current roster, five of whom have never played a down for this team, four of whom have never played a down in the NFL, three of whom went undrafted.

There's a second-year player with zero starts to his name (Zach Kerr); a rookie third-round pick (Henry Anderson); a rookie fifth-round pick (David Parry); a free agent signed two days ago after being cut (T.Y. McGill); and a rookie who last played for a team called the Brooklyn Bolts in the Fall Experimental Football League (Earl Okine).

And I have been preaching- this team is loaded. Next draft I would go very heavy on oline. First 3 picks should be oline if they grade out

[Max997]

Seantrel And Wood were both bad

 

Incognito played well