gjv001 Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 Do you think the Pagula's are cleaning the house for the Polian's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrycePaup4ever Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 i would bet yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 Why the f##k not at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 I hope not. I think that Doug Whaley has done a good job of bringing in talent. Chris Polian never did a good job in Indy and was reported to be an as*hole on top of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 Wasn't Whaley in Pittsburgh when cowher was there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 I highly doubt it. Whaley is building a team, modeled after the Steelers where he was groomed. That's what the Pegulas want. Marrone was power hungry. They took offense to that. That's why the report today was Whaley won the power struggle. His philosophies won out. Marrone threw a hissy fit and quit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigK14094 Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 Whaley's record spotty....no question...not great on the last two first rounders....wasted the 15 1st to try and bail out the 13 first rounder who wasn't making it. Did that with all that receiver talent on the board. I wanted Beckham to begin with. Now, he also traded Kelvin Sheppard for Jerry Hughes...and that was a home run...so I don't think he is all bad, but he has had his share of misses. Great free agent signing in Graham, but the guard from the Rams....ugh. So, his batting average isn't great. Interesting to see....I actually hate the father /son idea....not a successful configuration in my view. Doomed to fail. If Polian is coming in, not the son, please...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 I highly doubt it. Whaley is building a team, modeled after the Steelers where he was groomed. That's what the Pegulas want. Marrone was power hungry. They took offense to that. That's why the report today was Whaley won the power struggle. His philosophies won out. Marrone threw a hissy fit and quit. Â I read an article on Rumblings that suggests Poiian's hire "marginalized" Whaley's position. I don't know how true that is. I can't think Polian is in this for the long-haul. Whaley is a pretty good GM, I think. I'd like to think they can work together. Honestly, while I knew Nix was involved with the Bills, I never thought his position was all that influential these days. I have to admit, I'm a bit confused. But I'm used to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 I read an article on Rumblings that suggests Poiian's hire "marginalized" Whaley's position. I don't know how true that is. I can't think Polian is in this for the long-haul. Whaley is a pretty good GM, I think. I'd like to think they can work together. Honestly, while I knew Nix was involved with the Bills, I never thought his position was all that influential these days. I have to admit, I'm a bit confused. But I'm used to that. Nix was still around. He didn't attend all of the stuff. The last two years they asked him his opinion like the old weird uncle at dinner. He didn't scout any more I don't think, which he did up until two years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 Wasn't Whaley in Pittsburgh when cowher was there? Yep. Whaley was there from 1999 to 2009 and the Chin from 1992 to 2006. Seven years together... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 Â Â I read an article on Rumblings that suggests Poiian's hire "marginalized" Whaley's position. I don't know how true that is. I can't think Polian is in this for the long-haul. Whaley is a pretty good GM, I think. I'd like to think they can work together. Honestly, while I knew Nix was involved with the Bills, I never thought his position was all that influential these days. I have to admit, I'm a bit confused. But I'm used to that. Fwiw, when I talked to some of the FO guys during their trip to pittsbugh in the summer, buddy was there and seemed to be no different than a full-time employee. I thought it was weird that a "retired consultant" was traveling with the team during the preseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No QB - No Bueno Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 Keep Whaley - and if he has to come, install Polian as the new Nix, purely as an advisor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 I highly doubt it. Whaley is building a team, modeled after the Steelers where he was groomed. That's what the Pegulas want. Marrone was power hungry. They took offense to that. That's why the report today was Whaley won the power struggle. His philosophies won out. Marrone threw a hissy fit and quit. Â So the report by Rodak saying the two Doug's were arguing was obviously true; I think it was as serious as most of us probably thought it was. You also have to wonder if Whaley already told Marrone that change needed to happen with Hackett and Morris and that was a basis for him asking for his coaches to get years added to their contract; hence the power play? Â The question I have is where does Brandon fall in all of this? IIRC, he was there during the argument, he was in on hiring Marrone (some speculation that he wanted St. Doug), he tried to calm the storm from Rodak's tweets/story... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 Do you think the Pagula's are cleaning the house for the Polian's? Â yep see ya, Pegulas should totally clean house, new owner, new FO, new HC and NEW QB woohoo!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 So the report by Rodak saying the two Doug's were arguing was obviously true; Â How's that now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 Overall he's done a good job. Unfortunately his 2 most visible moves ... Draft EJ rd 1, trade 1st and 4th for Watkins ... are not panning out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clearwater cadet Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 Whats does it matter where you draft them, as long as you get a few. If we drafts Kiko first, then woods, and then EJ its all the same at the end of the day. The Sammy pick was a solid pick. It was a bold move, this franchise has been playing it safe for years, they need more bold moves and a little bit of luck. I'm glad Doug got the balls and is willing to bring then to the table, now if we can get a little luck we will be ok.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 Overall he's done a good job. Unfortunately his 2 most visible moves ... Draft EJ rd 1, trade 1st and 4th for Watkins ... are not panning out. Â How do we know the Sammy pick didn't pan out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 I can't help but think that Whaley would have been fired by now, if the Pegulas were leaning that way. If Polian isn't on board until late January as has been reported, the GM, and perhaps Russ, would have to be looking for the new head coach. They can't wait until late January or February, to start looking for a new head coach. I think Whaley sticks around... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 I can't help but think that Whaley would have been fired by now, if the Pegulas were leaning that way. If Polian isn't on board until late January as has been reported, the GM, and perhaps Russ, would have to be looking for the new head coach. They can't wait until late January or February, to start looking for a new head coach. I think Whaley sticks around... Â Hope you are right. But then again, Polian's hire hasn't been announced. Maybe Whaley already knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanMike Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 I like Whaley he is a good if not great evaluator of talent. Definitely keep him Mr. Pegula Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewildrabbit Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 It could very well be considering its been two years of bad O lines. Then so many NFL analysts are saying he could have saved the #1 & #4 picks just by drafting Odell Beckham Jr. Â Who knows at this point. Â I feel he just needs an actual football mind over him as president. Â Nix will be gone. Marrone is gone. Hackett will likely follow Marrone..hopefully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdog1960 Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 sweep out all remnants of one of the most poorly run nfl organizations in recent history and start again. in the mid and long term it will pay off. you can't build a dream house on a run of the mill foundation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLFan Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 I can't help but think that Whaley would have been fired by now, if the Pegulas were leaning that way. If Polian isn't on board until late January as has been reported, the GM, and perhaps Russ, would have to be looking for the new head coach. They can't wait until late January or February, to start looking for a new head coach. I think Whaley sticks around... Exactly. If they intended to fire Whaley, then Marrone would still be here. Whaley is the one guy they they intend to retain beyond anyone, I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdog1960 Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 Exactly. If they intended to fire Whaley, then Marrone would still be here. Whaley is the one guy they they intend to retain beyond anyone, I believe. one thing we know for certain: nothing brandon says can be trusted. 2 or 3 days ago, everything was hunky dory with the gm and coach. disagreements were normal and expected. i hope he come out tomorrow stating he and whaley are safe... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSOL Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 (edited) It would be a shame to lose Whaley because i think hes an excellent scout. I feel like hed be better in a role as a chief scout and talent advisor rather than GM. Â I dont see him being ok with a demotion, but id rather have a guy as GM that isnt trading away our next years first round picks. Edited January 1, 2015 by mastershake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 I really doubt Whaley goes anywhere...He was here long before Marrone...I think he'll be here long after... Â Then again...Who knows...This is already crazy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 I really doubt Whaley goes anywhere...He was here long before Marrone...I think he'll be here long after... Â Then again...Who knows...This is already crazy... Â My thoughts, exactly. Many seem to feel the changes aren't over yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooklynBills Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 Â Exactly. If they intended to fire Whaley, then Marrone would still be here. Whaley is the one guy they they intend to retain beyond anyone, I believe. Â There are better GM candidates out there than Doug Whaley. Just because he is here doesn't mean we need to settle for him. We were settling for him to begin with. Â Step 1 for Pegs is to get the best people. Â Brandon, Whaley, and Marrone were far from best people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In space no one can hear Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 I highly doubt it. Whaley is building a team, modeled after the Steelers where he was groomed. That's what the Pegulas want. Marrone was power hungry. They took offense to that. That's why the report today was Whaley won the power struggle. His philosophies won out. Marrone threw a hissy fit and quit. Â What part of Whaley trading for Sammy Watkins epitomized the Steeler way? Just saying.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 (edited) There are better GM candidates out there than Doug Whaley. Just because he is here doesn't mean we need to settle for him. We were settling for him to begin with. Â Step 1 for Pegs is to get the best people. Â Brandon, Whaley, and Marrone were far from best people. Â No we weren't actually. Whaley was talked about as a young, up-and-coming GM candidate. That's why the Bills made him Assistant GM. Other teams wanted him. And if the Bills let him go other teams will still want him. This world where GM's hit on every pick does not exist. He's done more good than bad, and even his "bad" is still not totally known, because of the timing involved. I know this is a microwave society, but it's laughable that people already know that the Watkins trade didn't work out. EJ? We shall see. 14 games and bad coaching along the way. That book is still being written too. Not that they shouldn't bring in other QB's still. Edited January 1, 2015 by purple haze Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderstealer Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 yep see ya, Pegulas should totally clean house, new owner, new FO, new HC and NEW QB woohoo!!!!! Â Don't forget new Stadium! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 What part of Whaley trading for Sammy Watkins epitomized the Steeler way? Just saying.... Funny you should ask. Â Whaley learned the game from a Steeler icon, Bill Nunn, who passed away last year. What Nunn told Whaley was "Do not ever, ever be afraid to make a big move if you believe in it strongly." Â http://mmqb.si.com/2014/05/09/bills-draft-sammy-watkins-gutsy-trade/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In space no one can hear Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 (edited) Funny you should ask. Â Whaley learned the game from a Steeler icon, Bill Nunn, who passed away last year. What Nunn told Whaley was "Do not ever, ever be afraid to make a big move if you believe in it strongly." Â http://mmqb.si.com/2...ns-gutsy-trade/ Â Â Even better than making a big move is making a big move and having it be the right move. Â From following football the NFL since the 1970's- the trade for Watkins and trades for Bryce Brown and Mike Williams(both with character concerns) do not epitomize the Steeler way. Edited January 1, 2015 by In space no one can hear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 Wasn't Whaley in Pittsburgh when cowher was there? Â yeah. And Whaley has a great reputation around the NFL. He isn't going anywhere. Whaley won. If Bill Polian is coming in it will be with a title of Director of Football operations or something like that. Like a long-term strategy sort of guy who can bring in big name coaches, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 yeah. And Whaley has a great reputation around the NFL. He isn't going anywhere. Whaley won. If Bill Polian is coming in it will be with a title of Director of Football operations or something like that. Like a long-term strategy sort of guy who can bring in big name coaches, etc. Exactly. Although it's possible that Whaley loves Cowher and vice versa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 Whaley is fine. The Bills choose him over Marrone, which IMHO was the correct move. As others have stated his name was brought up for other GM vacancies, but he stayed here as he was the heir apparent. Â The bigger question is what happens to Russ? From a business standpoint, he has done a great job with filling the seats, expanding the fan base, SJF is a great place to see training camp. The problem I see is that he has been the mouth piece for the organization and the fan base is over it. If he stays he needs to be removed from the football side of the house and I'm not sure that is fully possible. As we all saw with pic at the end of the season presser, Marrone reaches out to him first when KO retired, he is still involved more than he needs to be. I am not sure if he is out of the organization or in the Pegula Sports & Enternainment business. I just don't see how he can go from being the de-facto owner to just running the business side of the house. That is a big step down... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 No we weren't actually. Whaley was talked about as a young, up-and-coming GM candidate. That's why the Bills made him Assistant GM. Other teams wanted him. And if the Bills let him go other teams will still want him. This world where GM's hit on every pick does not exist. He's done more good than bad, and even his "bad" is still not totally known, because of the timing involved. I know this is a microwave society, but it's laughable that people already know that the Watkins trade didn't work out. EJ? We shall see. 14 games and bad coaching along the way. That book is still being written too. Not that they shouldn't bring in other QB's still. Â I agree 100% with this. People want 100% accuracy from a GM, and you can't get it. Sammy had a GREAT season considering his injuries and the QB play. Also, don't forget Whaley found Graham, who turned out to be a huge part of the revitalized secondary, drafted leading tacklet Preston Brown, got Brandon Spikes, and rebuilt the Special Teams unit. He also put enough talent on the offensive side of the ball, a "Franchise QB" was nowhere to be found. AT least he keeps trying to fix that position. The O-line also seriously/unexpectedly regressed this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 Exactly. Although it's possible that Whaley loves Cowher and vice versa. Â Again, for what it is worth: I'm all in with The Chin! Doubt he will come here, but all of a sudden the Bills job is interesting. A perfect position for an offensive minded HC to make a quick impact. If Cowher really wants to return to coaching, I think he needs to strike relatively quickly. Â Whaley is fine. Â What? You've been saying he sucks and needs to go. No? Have you lost track of your own stupidity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jahnyc Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 I think all bets are off at this point regarding Whaley and possibly Brandon. What happens also may not play out as quickly as the situation with Marrone, particularly if Polian is coming but not until the end of January or after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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