\GoBillsInDallas/ Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 He was awesome in college. Unanimous first team All-American, Defensive Player of the Year in the SEC. How bad can he be? See Maybin, Aaron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwight in philly Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 Yeah, that is a great idea with Incognito in the locker room. What could go wrong. Btw, this just in, Sam is so bad he can't even stick on an NFL practice squad, let alone make a real roster. I think the word tweener was invented for Corey Moore yea, incognito and sam in the same room.. perception is everything, but i think incognito will be keeping a very low profile off the field.. really do not think that would be a problem, but i just think (in my opinion) sam is not NFL worthy.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 (edited) Michael Sam simply isn't that good. These threads get started because people think he might be a quality find. That's because they think the reason he doesn't have a job in the NFL is because of his sexual orientation (and the fact that it is known). But that's where people are wrong. His problem is that he just isn't a very good NFL player. That's due to his physical limitations of speed, strength and size. He was plenty good enough in those regards to excel in college and he played smart. But he just doesn't have the ability to play in the NFL. Teams would rather try to bring along a physical freak who might be good than a guy who doesn't ever have a chance to be more than ok. And if they did, there are plenty of players that fit that bill without the added media attention that comes with Sam. Edited February 15, 2015 by BarleyNY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Beeeews Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 If this man is brought in to be on the same roster as Richie Incognito Rex Ryan has officially lost his mind and Pegula is already the new Al Davis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luxy312 Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 (edited) When all is said and done, Richie Incognito doesn't matter at all in terms of considering Michael Sam. All that matters to me is whether he's capable of playing in the NFL. There's the rub. He's not capable. He wasn't even close to being a marginal player coming out of college and now he has virtually zero chance of getting back into an NFL uniform. First, he's too small to play either defensive end or linebacker. 6-2 isn't going to cut it at DE when he's only about 260 pounds. The days of defensive ends being that small are over UNLESS you have world class footwork and speed. He has neither. He's actually on the slow side of things when it comes to speed and agility. Now tell me that a player that's kind of short to play linebacker as well that's slow and not very agile is going to be able to cover tight ends and I'll tell you that you're nuts. One AFC scout summed it up the best saying something like "it's tough considering drafting a short, slow guy whose only redeeming quality is that he tries real hard". Forget all the other nonsense. To the OP, how about not? Edited February 15, 2015 by Luxy312 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted William's frozen head Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 For some reason, this reminds me of the Marx quote "outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read" I share this same question. He probably should, C.Biscuit. I think that recent article nailed it - in terms of talent and the stage of his development, he's a "bubble" player, the level of talent GMs keep on "speed dial" to sign in the event of injuries. No one wants any controversy or distraction in a player of that talent level, so he's wasn't on anyone's "short list" of guys to bring in. If he showed flashes of potential to be a top talent, no one would give a d**n that he's Gay. If he were straight, he has talent enough he'd have been getting looks during the season as the injury toll mounted. Hopefully he'll be given a second shot on some team during the off-season and if the media furor has died down, he'll get additional chances. But he's not strong and big and fast enough to be a sure bet in the NFL. As for the OP, I remain puzzled as to why he thinks Hughes and Sam should be mentioned in the same breath. They aren't the same type or caliber of player at all. if they sign 'em, then sign Tebow too. Make them share a locker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Buffalo Joe Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 It just wouldn't be necessary. We didn't sign Incognito because of his off the field issues. We signed him because he's an above average player at a position where we're not above average. We have the best front 7 in the NFL. No need for Michael Sam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Buffalo Joe Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 Let me ask you this, if Andrew Luck were to come out as a gay Satanist, do you think he'd have a job? Of course he would, because he's a talented QB (despite what 4merper4mer would have you believe.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozymandius Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 Sam lacks discipline. Offenses can fool him. Run play-action and Sam is a bundle of sticks getting burned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Poojer Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 what the hell does being gay have to do with playing DT???? Lets say if Hughes wants a big contract. Do you think the bills should sign Michael Sam? Yes i know he gay, but I honestly believe this kid is truly hungry to play in nfl. I also would like to think he would fit just right in our Dline. I would sign this kid and see how he does in training camp and pre season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Jerky Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 what the hell does being gay have to do with playing DT???? What does any of it matter? The guys isn't a NFL player, just not good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloFan68 Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 Plain & simple BAD idea. NO! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 look at his combine #'s from last year. Guy is a product of the system in college. That said, I wouldn't mind him on the PS. Perhaps he just takes a few years to develop at the NFL level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Jerky Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 look at his combine #'s from last year. Guy is a product of the system in college. That said, I wouldn't mind him on the PS. Perhaps he just takes a few years to develop at the NFL level. He will show just how well he has developed in the veteran combine next month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clippers of Nfl Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 Then by all means, buy yourself an NFL team and go out an hire him. It's that simple. What great drama! I'm sure they'd make him RI's roommate in TC. Bring on the media! Det-det-da-da-la-da. Det-det-da-da-la-da. The Circus is in town. Pretty much sums it up. People who bring up Sam as a possibility seem passionate about an agenda other than finding the best NFL caliber talent available to fit our (ever diminishing list) of needs. Agenda of gay? Aganda of passion? Agenda of passionate gay? Ha ha ha Let me ask you this, if Andrew Luck were to come out as a gay Satanist, do you think he'd have a job? Of course he would, because he's a talented QB (despite what 4merper4mer would have you believe.) I have never read these 2 words together!!!! Very funny. I'll be calling my older brother that in 3 2 1. We both are funny and always call each other on funny things. I hope this thread lasts the whole off season!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessAccepted Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 yea, incognito and sam in the same room.. perception is everything, but i think incognito will be keeping a very low profile off the field.. really do not think that would be a problem, but i just think (in my opinion) sam is not NFL worthy.. Ha ha, that is a really good point. Whatever chance Richie has of being a reformed character would be significantly less with Sam in the locker room. The team decided to roll the dice on Incognito so they really need to try and help him succeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 He's going on Dancing with the Stars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 He's going on Dancing with the Stars Oh man. Kinda makes it hard to defend him and giving him another shot. But good move. Does he get a male or female partner? I kid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 I'd be perfectly fine with Michael Sam if he were good at football. He's not. The league doesn't have a spot for a slow, undersized edge rusher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Buffalo Joe Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 I'd be perfectly fine with Michael Sam if he were good at football. He's not. The league doesn't have a spot for a slow, undersized edge rusher. And the skill set that he does have, wouldn't even fit in with our team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsCelticsAngelsBama Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 I thought he did fine for the Rams. He might be a good fit as back-up strong side LB, pass rusher, and part time special teams guy. Not saying he is a difference maker but I thought he did enough in pre-season last year to get another camp invite somewhere. Could be the anti-Incognito signing... In watching the combine a year ago, he may have been the WORST lineman trying to convert to LB there. Has he suddenly learned to play strong-side LB ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 I think this could be a distraction in so many ways for the team ! If it was just about his ability as a football player in the NFL it would be different but we all know how the media has an agenda when ever some one of a alternate life style is involved with sports ... I think it would be a good move but i don't see it happening , but what do i know i'm a Bills fan !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 As mentioned on Mike&Mike this morning, while other players are doing team work outs and the vet combine Michael Sam just signed up for Dancing with the Stars. Doesnt seem to be as committed to getting on a team as he says he is. No thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Jerky Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 As mentioned on Mike&Mike this morning, while other players are doing team work outs and the vet combine Michael Sam just signed up for Dancing with the Stars. Doesnt seem to be as committed to getting on a team as he says he is. No thanks. And some people wanted him here... SMH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Buffalo Joe Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 As mentioned on Mike&Mike this morning, while other players are doing team work outs and the vet combine Michael Sam just signed up for Dancing with the Stars. Doesnt seem to be as committed to getting on a team as he says he is. No thanks. I've just lost all respect I had for him. Sexual orientation aside, he's using it for his own advantage. If he wanted to be "treated like any other player" he wouldn't be doing that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 I've just lost all respect I had for him. Sexual orientation aside, he's using it for his own advantage. If he wanted to be "treated like any other player" he wouldn't be doing that. Since days leading up to the draft hes been posturing for a life after football. He knows that hes long shot to make his money playing ball and is doing what he can to stay relevant and maybe land a reality show or some crap. I won't blame a guy for taking the opportunity to make a buck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 Since days leading up to the draft hes been posturing for a life after football. He knows that hes long shot to make his money playing ball and is doing what he can to stay relevant and maybe land a reality show or some crap. I won't blame a guy for taking the opportunity to make a buck. Yep. It won't be long before he is living on a boat with Chyna, Vern Troyer, Danny Bonaduce, Snow (the rapper), Nicole Eggert, Tom Green and Tara Lipinski. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeMonkey Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 Yep. It won't be long before he is living on a boat with Chyna, Vern Troyer, Danny Bonaduce, Snow (the rapper), Nicole Eggert, Tom Green and Tara Lipinski. I wouldn't mind living on a boat with Nicole and Tara. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 And some people wanted him here... SMH In fairness to them, he is gay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 I wouldn't mind living on a boat with Nicole and Tara.saw nicole in some bad TV movie recently and doesn't look quite the same as she did in Baywatch. Or Charles in Charge for that matter. Tara has had some interesting plastic surgery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 saw nicole in some bad TV movie recently and doesn't look quite the same as she did in Baywatch. Or Charles in Charge for that matter. Tara has had some interesting plastic surgery. Wait. Tara Lipinski? The figure skater? That naughty little vixen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 Wait. Tara Lipinski? The figure skater? That naughty little vixen. oops for some reason I was thinking of Tara Reid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Buffalo Joe Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 Let me ask you this, and it's purely hypothetical, not making any accusations. If JJ Watt were to come out as gay, would it effect his value as a player? Is there anybody, other than a small vocal minority, who would honestly say "I don't want that [insert gay slur] on my team." The answer is, of couse not. He's a proven beast on the field, and an angel off. Michael Sam just isn't good enough to play I'm the NFL. Maybe he will be, and he proves us all wrong, then good for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 from just a pure football move, why would there be any interest in him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 Exactly. He's slow, small, and couldn't make two practice squads in St. Louis and Dallas. This is our strongest part of the team with our Defensive Line. I not only love the starters, but the depth in Wynn and Charles, and Lawson ( I'm including the OLB with the line ). Then there are those points made about the distraction. We'll get more than enough national attention with Rex as our coach. You can already see it with the interviews at the combine, etc. like it or not, the Bills will get a lot of attention from ESPN, NFL Network, NFL Radio, and so on. I wish Sam the best in life and hope he parlays his 15 minutes of fame into a nice career outside of football, in the entertainment business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RealityCheck Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 ...as Billy Buffalo? Sure, why not? Dancing with the stars will improve the requisite foot work for the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8-8 Forever? Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 guy can't play. out of the league for a reason. If he could play, he could be blue with yellow stripes and he'd have been on a roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 Let me ask you this, and it's purely hypothetical, not making any accusations. If JJ Watt were to come out as gay, would it effect his value as a player? Unfortunately in discussions like this, logic often has no value. The narrative is what matters. Sam is gay and out of the league. Therefore the NFL is homophobic. Identity trumps ability Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 (edited) Unfortunately in discussions like this, logic often has no value. The narrative is what matters. Sam is gay and out of the league. Therefore the NFL is homophobic. Identity trumps ability its impossible to know what the net effect of him being gay is: it may have gotten him more exposure with teams (with some even thinking theyd get positive press for giving him a chance), while others may have shied away thinking he wasnt worth the potential distraction. but given his college career, my hunch is that overall it hurt his chances as a marginal prospect. if he were the real deal with pro-bowl talent, he would have found a roster spot for sure Edited February 25, 2015 by JTSP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Buffalo Joe Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 its impossible to know what the net effect of him being gay is: it may have gotten him more exposure with teams, while others may have shied away. given his college career, my hunch is that overall it hurt his chances as a marginal prospect. but if he were the real deal with pro-bowl talent, he would have found a roster spot for sure Exactly. Whether you like it or not, it's a distraction. What teams need to consider, is if the production on the field is worth it. With an established elite player, the pros of their on the field ability, leadership skills, etc, far outweigh the media circus that would follow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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