Nitro Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 I never ever ever thought I could possibly be disappointed in any way with a 20 point win against the Jets. But I am. I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Beard Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 I definitely think Hackett needs to mix it up more & be less predictable but I wonder why an old veteran like Orton can't audible more ? ^ThisI have the same question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shoto Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 We are the only team in the NFL who could fire their offensive coordinator today and be better tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted October 26, 2014 Author Share Posted October 26, 2014 I didn't see the first half, was making my way back from Wembley, but was frustrated following the game by the updates that only 1 of Geno's 3 picks turned into points. The play calling frustrated me in the second half as well, and like someone else said the TD to Chandler was the one time I was thinking "ok you can run this now and kick the FG to make it a 3 score game" but they threw it and scored. Â I have been saying since pre-season my issue is less with the individual play calling in isolation - I think if you break each call down you can weigh up pros and cons etc... my issue is with the concept of this offense. I don't see anything clear or tangible. The concept of this offense seems to me to be "hope Jim's unit get us some good field position and then we might do something." I would love to sit down with Hackett for half an hour and me as an uneducated fan living in the UK who has never played the game at any competitive level and ask him what his vision for the offense is. I accept that I might well be totally wrong there might well be a coherent thread running through it... but I sure ain't seeing it if there is. It's frustrating to watch because the talent on offense is better than we have had for a while and our defense is legit. Â have you always lived in England? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 Nice guy though. Â A "high motor guy" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 I put as much of the blame on Marrone as Hackett. One of two things is happening, either Marrone is calling some plays or telling Hackett what he wants and Hackett is following Marrone's lead, OR, Marrone is letting Hackett decide all these things and not stepping in and demanding something different because it's clear there is a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bananathumb Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 When the thing matters, Hackett will let us down big time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted October 26, 2014 Author Share Posted October 26, 2014 I definitely think Hackett needs to mix it up more & be less predictable but I wonder why an old veteran like Orton can't audible more ? Â he did, into more running plays! I think he is infected with Hackettitis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 Hackett is the worse OC in the NFL. I really think he thought he could win the game with out scoring another point when the Bills got up 21-7. The guy does not belong in the NFL as anything more than an asst to the asst. Hackett can not keep up with the speed of the game. Marrone tried to put as many training wheels in place with the hire of an QB coach and O quality control coach The move this off season is hire a real OC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramius Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 After Orton was sacked in the first play of the second half, the Bills threw 1 pass on 1st/2nd down the rest of the way. The TD to Sammy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 43 points  On the road  Against a division rival  Against a Rex Ryan D  W/Both RB's injured  ...are we going to ignore ALL these realities? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 The Bills were up by two scores. They had zero turnovers. I'm not sure what you guys wanted...That is what you do when you're up by a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 43 points  On the road  Against a division rival  Against a Rex Ryan D  W/Both RB's injured  ...are we going to ignore ALL these realities?  43 could have easily been 63 and this isn't close to being a Rex Ryan defense since the Jets have no CBs. Hackett was boring and far too predictable today for my taste. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuntheDamnBall Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 43 points  On the road  Against a division rival  Against a Rex Ryan D  W/Both RB's injured  ...are we going to ignore ALL these realities? 6 turnovers. Not enough cashing in on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted October 26, 2014 Author Share Posted October 26, 2014 The Bills were up by two scores. They had zero turnovers. I'm not sure what you guys wanted...That is what you do when you're up by a lot. Â that's not what they did in the first half, we were only up 7 after all those turnovers, we should have been up 35 - 7. Â In the 4rth was fine but we should have gone for kill early and often before that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 43 points  On the road  Against a division rival  Against a Rex Ryan D  W/Both RB's injured  ...are we going to ignore ALL these realities? I'm an eternal optimist. I have said the same type of thing for 40 years, meaning "a win is a win" kind of thing.  For me, knowing me, to be anything less than thrilled after last week winning on an 80 yard drive in the last three minutes and this week winning is an enormous red flag for me.  I never ever feel this way, but I do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 Â 6 turnovers. Not enough cashing in on them. Â Â Â 43 could have easily been 63 and this isn't close to being a Rex Ryan defense since the Jets have no CBs. Hackett was boring and far too predictable today for my taste. Â Yeah. Okay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 43 points  On the road  Against a division rival  Against a Rex Ryan D  W/Both RB's injured  ...are we going to ignore ALL these realities? Look up blind loyalist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 you cant get into a throwing contest with a sketchy offensive line with no RB blitz pickup against a crazy pass rushing blitzing team. The Jets need to get turnover and win on defense or they can't win- so as painful as it was today and frustrating for this week it was the right plan. 48 points and a win on the road verus a top 5 defense is hard to get fired over. I with you on the stick it in the line week after week but for this week no turnovers = win  This is what I saw as well. Yes, it was maddening, but it worked because if you kept putting Orton back there with no Rb able to see and pick up the blitz, Orton would have been on a stretcher before the 3rd quarter was half over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 This is what I saw as well. Yes, it was maddening, but it worked because if you kept putting Orton back there with no Rb able to see and pick up the blitz, Orton would have been on a stretcher before the 3rd quarter was half over. I thought 75% of the pass plays he had plenty of time if not a lot of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 Â Look up blind loyalist. Â I don't see a definition that mentions anything about reporting only the facts. Â But I can think of a bunch of terms you should check out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrobot Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 Bills on first down: Q1 Run LG Run LT PlayAction long pass to Woods complete Sacked Run LG Run RG Play action TD to Lee Smith  Q2 Play action to Watkins incomplete Run LG Run RG Run bounced out to LT Run LG Total first half: 32 rush yds, 125 pass yds, lost time of possession by 5 min. Q3 Play action off LG, but sacked Run LG Run LG Run LG Run RG No first downs the entire quarter Q4 Run RG hit in backfield (because they knew!) Run RG Run RG Run RG Kneel-down This imaginative play-calling is brought to you Nate Hackett. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jethro_tull Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 completely disagree. it is far from exciting football but a W is a W. winnng ugly, as was the slogan for some chicago white sox teams who were horrible offensively yet played very good "small ball" and defense to win a championship back in '05. true, it was painful at times today. however, no ints and orton is still in good health. the OL is still marginal at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clippers of Nfl Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014  Bills on first down: Q1 Run LG Run LT PlayAction long pass to Woods complete Sacked Run LG Run RG Play action TD to Lee Smith  Q2 Play action to Watkins incomplete Run LG Run RG Run bounced out to LT Run LG Total first half: 32 rush yds, 125 pass yds, lost time of possession by 5 min. Q3 Play action off LG, but sacked Run LG Run LG Run LG Run RG No first downs the entire quarter Q4 Run RG hit in backfield (because they knew!) Run RG Run RG Run RG Kneel-down This imaginative play-calling is brought to you Nate Hackett. Thx astro. I knew I was not imagining. Hackett the freaking chump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 Hackett is terrible. Worst play-calling game of the season and we score 43 points though. They will say he "managed the game" but he did everything he could to lose that. If our defense wasn't so good and their offense so bad this could have had a much different outcome  Glad folks are starting to see the truth... I thank Mike Vick AND Geno Smith for gift-wrapping this game for our offensive staff.. As for Hackett... Don't leave the guy alone in a room with a birthday cake.. Guaranteed, it WILL end up on the floor somehow.  FiRe. HaCkEtt. To-dAy.  Man, it's good to be back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 Considering we play KC next and last year Hackett's offense put up 600 yds of offense on them with Tueltime at the helm, doubt he's going anywhere over the next two weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yall Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 When was the last time our QB threw 4 TD's, we won on the road, and we pissed and moaned about the OC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PastaJoe Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 Steelers up 10 with 5 minutes left. 4th and 1 on Indy 10. They go for it and score TD to go up 17. You would never see the Bills try that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 When was the last time our QB threw 4 TD's, we won on the road, and we pissed and moaned about the OC? I guess just the concept that so many people feel that way, what seems like the vast majority, should tell you something. Usually just the negative nancies or outliers say that stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 When was the last time our QB threw 4 TD's, we won on the road, and we pissed and moaned about the OC? Â Half past never. Â Misery loves company and this place is packed. Â Â I guess just the concept that so many people feel that way, what seems like the vast majority, should tell you something. Usually just the negative nancies or outliers say that stuff. Â Steelers up 10 with 5 minutes left. 4th and 1 on Indy 10. They go for it and score TD to go up 17. You would never see the Bills try that. Â And I guess the concept that eludes both of you is the difference between the Jets offense today and the Andrew Luck led Colts that have hung 34 on the road to that point. But please, carry on as if that call was analogous that happened to ANYTHING in the Bills game today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 Steelers up 10 with 5 minutes left. 4th and 1 on Indy 10. They go for it and score TD to go up 17. You would never see the Bills try that. neither would the steelers if they were playing geno jr and geno sr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 completely disagree. it is far from exciting football but a W is a W. winnng ugly, as was the slogan for some chicago white sox teams who were horrible offensively yet played very good "small ball" and defense to win a championship back in '05. true, it was painful at times today. however, no ints and orton is still in good health. the OL is still marginal at best. Â A W is a W but that doesnt save NH from the fact that he called an embarrassing game. This win had more to do with the defense having 6 turnovers then it did with ball control/offensive success. Â The playcalling is predictable to a degree that it offends the mind. Â This clown has to leave at the end of the year no matter what. Â And to think we debated pages upon pages of posts as to whether or not NH knew how to utilize CJ. This guy doesnt know how to utilize anything with his mickey mouse schemes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 Half past never. Â Misery loves company and this place is packed. Â Â Â Â Â And I guess the concept that eludes both of you is the difference between the Jets offense today and the Andrew Luck led Colts that have hung 34 on the road to that point. But please, carry on as if that call was analogous that happened to ANYTHING in the Bills game today. I dont know what you are talking about. I never made any comment about comparing the two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clippers of Nfl Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 Its on nfl.com how" bills fans can and should complain about the ultra conservative" play calling  When was the last time our QB threw 4 TD's, we won on the road, and we pissed and moaned about the OC? The win is great. The predictable calling is not. Thats your bottom line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garion Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 completely disagree. it is far from exciting football but a W is a W. winnng ugly, as was the slogan for some chicago white sox teams who were horrible offensively yet played very good "small ball" and defense to win a championship back in '05. true, it was painful at times today. however, no ints and orton is still in good health. the OL is still marginal at best. Â Agree. This team isn't built to win throwing 40 times per game particularly against that jets dline. If we put the ball in the air 30-40 times how many more sacks would we give up. In this particular game playing conservative with rare shots downfield worked. Interesting they were more aggressive on the first series then the rest of the game it seemed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 Half past never. Â Misery loves company and this place is packed. Â Fine... I'm interested to see what happens if we go that long without a 1st down vs. the Chiefs... a team that can absolutely score in BUNCHES.... Â keeping Hackett is like driving on a bad tire... it may work for a while, but sooner or later, something bad, and completely avoidable happens.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDHILL Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 absolutely stupid post..... very stupid... that commitment to run showed up in play action... TD to Lee Smith who was riduloudly wide open for instance. Go punch a wall or something... Every game has it's own context... The goal is to win not to create style points or earn fantasy points... They just won their third road game of the year. 2 out of three of these places I know we had never won at. We beat a division rival on the road and pounded them by 20 points. How many points did you want to score today? They are 5-3 and learning how to win. They WON and it wan't a fluke or anything. WTF is wrong with you people? Seriously? Just enjoy the win!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KGUNBILLS Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 we should have won today 65-23, but thanks to Hackett keeping our offense in check with the run, run, pass mentality, it kept the game more manageable for the Jets. Sigh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 Â Â Fine... I'm interested to see what happens if we go that long without a 1st down vs. the Chiefs... a team that can absolutely score in BUNCHES.... Â keeping Hackett is like driving on a bad tire... it may work for a while, but sooner or later, something bad, and completely avoidable happens.. Â Is that your KC prediction you'd like on record? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Caveman Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 I say we fire this Barbarian character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts