The Frankish Reich Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 Listening to Beuerlein giving EJ some tough love on the broadcast today, it occurred to me that Orton is Beuerlein 2.0. Which kind of sucks since Beuerlein's best season as a starter was 1999 when he "led" Carolina to an 8-8 record. So it is with next to no enthusiasm that I say "start Kyle next week." Manuel just plain looks scared -- scared to fit the ball into tight coverage, scared to throw long, scared to pull it down and run for a first down when there's an open field in front of him, whether that's because the coaches have told him not to or because he doesn't trust his knees. He looks like ... Trent Edwards, except he threatens to run whereas Trent just stood there, but the threat is becoming an idle threat that defenses don't need to fear. He's not horrible, but if Orton had started today and played like Kyle Orton (or Steve Beuerlein) we would've been right in this game. As it was, we weren't. The score made it look closer than it was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 (edited) Prevent offense. Nice. I thought the D adjusted well to the short passing game. They were beat by a couple nice long passes and bad coverage. It helped that San Diego had the wind at their backs, but those plays could've been prevented. San Diego had great 3rd down conversion % coming into this game, so I wasn't totally surprised by their efficiency early on. When they're on top of their game, they're hard to stop. Overall, it was a solid outing by the D. Schwartz didn't need to blitz more. The line was getting pressure, but Rivers beat it often enough. Blitzing more may have actually made the situation worse. Edited September 21, 2014 by LeGOATski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 It was 13-3 at the half They moved the ball well but they certainly didn't score at will . The fact is that they knew that once they got up a couple of scores that a qb of EJ's ability would not be able to bring us back without the help of turnovers or special teams San Diego scored 2 td's, 2 fg's, and moved the ball from about their 10 to midfield pinning the Bills back around their 10 on the only drive of their 1st 5 they didn't score on. In those drives they had 4 - 20+ yard plays. Scoring on 4 of 5 drives, each starting inside their 25 indicates they were hitting on nearly all cylinders. Little reason to believe the Chargers couldn't have scored more if they didn't go ultra conservative w/ the 17 (subsequently reduced to 10) point lead. Even if EJ had picked it up, penalties, lack of stopping SD on 3rd down, and giving up huge plays would have likely still given SD the win today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 I voted for Manwel b/c I wouldn't pull a young QBover 1 bad game, but I'd have him on a short leash. The next really good game EJ has will be his first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 San Diego scored 2 td's, 2 fg's, and moved the ball from about their 10 to midfield pinning the Bills back around their 10 on the only drive of their 1st 5 they didn't score on. In those drives they had 4 - 20+ yard plays. Scoring on 4 of 5 drives, each starting inside their 25 indicates they were hitting on nearly all cylinders. Little reason to believe the Chargers couldn't have scored more if they didn't go ultra conservative w/ the 17 (subsequently reduced to 10) point lead. Even if EJ had picked it up, penalties, lack of stopping SD on 3rd down, and giving up huge plays would have likely still given SD the win today. Looks like you and I watched the same game. Our D did precious little until AFTER the Chargers came out and used half the 3rd quarter before scoring a TD to make it 20-3. Couldn't get off the field to save themselves until the 4th quarter. D was not good today, either. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bufcomments Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 They gonna give EJ the whole season barring injury. So stop this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 What percentage of the idiocy do we associate with PUI (posting under the influence)? It is game day, after all. I say 72.5% I think I'll have another beer and ponder this for a split second before I say something stupid... Oh wait, I've probably been doing that all day... But how would I know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohiostyle Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 I'm obviously not going to be able to come back to this board until after the next win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r00tabaga Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 The goal is to win. New ownership. Marrone might make the switch. Did anyone see his face after some of those horrible plays??? He was visible upset, ESPECIALLY after the sack on 3rd down where he fumbled. I would be upset to be a WR. When they were open he was locked on someone else. And he just left Marquise out to dry! He throws floaty and that ain't gonna work in our elements. He really struggles against 3-4. I can go on and on. HE NEEDS TO SIT AND LEARN. I STILL LIKE HIM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 I'm obviously not going to be able to come back to this board until after the next win. It's a piece of work, isn't it? But yeah, that might be the safe bet to wait until after the next win. But even then, it depends on how we win. Piece of work indeed. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 EJ has progressed in certain areas, such as leadership, but you can't teach a quarterback accuracy. EJ will likely thus continue to be, way too often, the EJ we saw today. That being said, Orton in not the answer. We don't have one at this time and very likely won't next season even if we choose to go in a different direction. Keep playing EJ and hope for a miracle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 The goal is to win. New ownership. Marrone might make the switch. Did anyone see his face after some of those horrible plays??? He was visible upset, ESPECIALLY after the sack on 3rd down where he fumbled. I would be upset to be a WR. When they were open he was locked on someone else. And he just left Marquise out to dry! He throws floaty and that ain't gonna work in our elements. He really struggles against 3-4. I can go on and on. HE NEEDS TO SIT AND LEARN. I STILL LIKE HIM. The "sit and learn" ship has sailed. Too bad we didn't have Orton last year. For the short term, you need to give your starter a chance to play through a rough game. The single most important aspect of a QB's development is how well he handles adversity on a play to play, series to series, and game to game basis. If he gives the staff absolutely no reason to play him as a result, then you make the move to the backup. Not before. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 One good thing about this thread: It's better than a "Should Tuel start next week?" thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobDVA Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 Maybe it is the fact that San Diego is a damn good football team. If you were told at the beginning of the season we would be 2-1 after 3 games, how many people would have said they would not take that? I will be completely stoked if we are 3-2 going into the New England game! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 One good thing about this thread: It's better than a "Should Tuel start next week?" thread. That may be the ONLY good thing about this thread, but it's a very good thing indeed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r00tabaga Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 I would've been happy with 2-1 yes, but we are really close I believe to being solid. Its not about EJ playing bad today. Its fundamental parts of his game that lost this game. Teams are gonna eat him up. They put 1 on 1 coverage in secondary & he just is too afraid to give his guys a shot. I had hoped he turned the corner but he just cant win us games. Game manager wont get us in playoffs. We have playmakers that deserve better. 1st two games other groups bailed him out. Today we got down by 10 and I saw bad things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San-O Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 Too soon. It'll take a few more weeks of something similar for the coaches to pull the plug. EJ. stinks up the place a couple more times, and they will make the change during the bye week, or risk losing the season and the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 Maybe it is the fact that San Diego is a damn good football team. If you were told at the beginning of the season we would be 2-1 after 3 games, how many people would have said they would not take that? I will be completely stoked if we are 3-2 going into the New England game! No doubt the better team won. Chargers were very impressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 Two quarterbacks almost certainly going to the playoffs this year -- Dalton and Wilson -- actually caught passes today. Dalton for a touchdown. Yet we're so scared of losing EJ that he won't run? That's why Orton is here. Let EJ play all out. He's either gonna make it or fail as a running QB. He will definitely NOT make it as a non-running QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talley56 Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 You know, I voted Orton, but as someone who has not been impressed with EJ (even in the games we won) I think we need him to stay in and get better. Orton would be a band-aid. Giving EJ time and experience in hopes that he eventually turns the corner might be frustrating right now but would be our best chance at seeing things get better for this team down the road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fridge Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 (edited) Some people are impressively reactionary. Edited September 21, 2014 by fridge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffOrange Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 You don't bench EJ until he puts 5-6 games like this together in a row. As long as he is showing steps you play him. Waiting till the season is over is precisely the time not to plug in Kyle Orton. You play him in Detroit after a bad game next week or not at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r00tabaga Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 BuffOrange for the win. I want to win guys, sorry. Plus, I think EJ needs to learn from a veteran. Remember he was a "project"? The guy with the highest ceiling??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bisonbrigade Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 If Kyle Orton can cover a Wide Reciever, yes. Did EJ give up those long touchdown drives to San Diego? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Concrete Buffalo Feet Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 So you're mad because he smiled because Woods doesn't look for the ball? Jesus get a grip. Seriously this is idiotic Nah I'm not an idiot, just giving my opinion. I know the defense gave up long scoring drives and that's not on EJ but when the ball was in his hands he was inaccurate with his passes. If a teams running game isn't getting it done a franchise QB has got to be able to put the team on his shoulders to win the game. Right now EJ can't... Just a simple difference in what I would like too see in my franchise QB and what you would... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean Cain Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 EJ Manuel is a better QB than Orton. Are we trying to give the Browns a top 10 pick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 You people make me want to hang myself with a bed sheet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkAF43 Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 You people make me want to hang myself with a bed sheet. You people make me want to hang myself with a bed sheet. I have a feeling at this rate that the idiot thread for DC Tom may see a huge drop in the number of people he hasn't called an idiot yet.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BmarvB Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 EJ has to play and get his experience just like the rest of the starters did. This is his season to get to where he needs to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 Way too early, IMO. It was not a good game for him but certainly not bench-worthy. He left plays on the field he can learn from. Lots of blame to go around as usual after a loss. Move forward and win this week; lots of areas to improve upon, clearly. I had a feeling this was going to be a loss but had high hopes we could get it done at home. Time to bounce back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohninMinn. Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 If you want to make the playoffs each game must be treated like gold. We no longer have the luxury to wait to find out if EJ is an nfl qb. Orton shoild step in immediately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrod's Tailor Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 If you want to make the playoffs each game must be treated like gold. We no longer have the luxury to wait to find out if EJ is an nfl qb. Orton shoild step in immediately. I wouldn't start Orton against Houston, but I would certainly have a quick hook for EJ for the reason you just articulated. The rest of this team is ready to win now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 I wouldn't start Orton against Houston, but I would certainly have a quick hook for EJ for the reason you just articulated. The rest of this team is ready to win now. then the rest of the team needs to play like it too. There was no shortage of players who did not play well today. There is a lot of talent, but they need to step it way up in several areas. This was a very good team but it was a winnable game had they played to their potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jahnyc Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 If Orton is the better QB now, then he should play. I have no idea whether this is the case, but the team is decent enough in other areas where we should play whomever is going help the team win now and not next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 If you want to make the playoffs each game must be treated like gold. We no longer have the luxury to wait to find out if EJ is an nfl qb. Orton shoild step in immediately. The team is 2-1 with a winnable game at Houston next week. You make ZERO sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nervous Guy Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 Can somebody tell me exactly why Orton is so much better than EJ...I mean an actual fact based response... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 Can somebody tell me exactly why Orton is so much better than EJ...I mean an actual fact based response... These responses ought to be good. Can't wait! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 (edited) As far as playing Orton, I don't think we're there yet. He's still been on the team barely a month, and before today EJ's been ok. Although, a couple repeats of today's performance and I'll be singing a different tune. Edited September 22, 2014 by Rob's House Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishDave Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 Can somebody tell me exactly why Orton is so much better than EJ...I mean an actual fact based response... I know. There is no way EJ has played bad enough to lose the starting job after one loss this year. Gimme a break.. If EJ sucks game after game then its different. But he has to play for the time being without question. Benching him now would be completely crazy and would also ensure that the entire coaching staff would get fired at the end of the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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