Should the New Ownership Fire GM and Coaches?

[jethro_tull]

After one season? Heck no!

This would be the most irresponsible move imaginable and would set this team in reverse for another (2) years before they could move forward again.

 

Whaley, Marrone and Hackett have been groomed for their positions and have the pedigree at this point that qualifies them to have the keys to the team for at least the next (4) seasons.

Let them keep the keys!

Let them drive the course and figure it out even with some speed bumps along the way. Great coaches and GMs take time to develop. Sometimes many, many seasons. There are lots of examples out there.

Four more years!

[NoSaint]

what examples are you pointing towards getting 5 seasons (1 past, plus the next 4) without a proven track record?

 

if they win, sure. if not - you really see that happening?

[BillsFan-4-Ever]

should they? At this point no.

 

Next season, they could if they chose to do so

[jethro_tull]

what examples are you pointing towards getting 5 seasons (1 past, plus the next 4) without a proven track record?

 

if they win, sure. if not - you really see that happening?

 

Bill Belichick- (1) winning season in first (6) years.

Mike Shanahan- Winning season at 4th year.

Jeff Fischer- Did not have a winning season until year (6)

Chuck Noll- Did not win until 4th year.

[Kelly the Dog]

What if the GM and coaches pulled the old switcheroo and folded their arms and said, "We aren't leaving. Make us. We're not going away." Through it back in El Pegual's face. Then what would he do?

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

I'd be surprised if new ownership fires Whaley unless the owner has an experienced GM person he's real close too. Marrone, possibly, but likely would also get one more year. I do see Hackert going unless EJ improves. I've posted in other threads where people are crying that when EJ fails this year we don't have a #1 next year to get a new QB. instead what will happen is, if EJ looks real bad and regresses, likely Hackert would be canned and they bring in another OC who runs a different scheme supposedly more suited to EJ's strengths.

[Estelle Getty]

Out of everyone it seems Whaley is the one to keep. He has made some nice acquisitions and seems competent. Our coach and qb were not 100% his decision. And Marrone is appearing to be a mental midget such as Schiano and Gregg Williams.

 

This is of course based on the presumption we will not have a winning record like in 13 outa the last 14 years.

[Estelle Getty]

Out of everyone it seems Whaley is the one to keep. He has made some nice acquisitions and seems competent. Our coach and qb were not 100% his decision. And Marrone is appearing to be a mental midget such as Schiano and Gregg Williams.

 

This is of course based on the presumption we will not have a winning record like in 13 outa the last 14 years.

 

 

Edited August 8, 2014 by Estelle Getty

[texasabres]

The current GM/Coach made it a bit harder for the new owner to attract a top coach or GM and maybe bought time. How? The Watkins trade ensures that the new coach and GM come in without a 1st round pick. That would make it less attractive to top candidates next year. If Watkins pans out, they likely have a good year and stay on regardless. If he does not, it means EJ likely demonstrates that he is not as good as the current staff says. With no 1st, there is no chance of a star QB in year one and year 2 of the new coach/GM is likely under a rookie QB. That is 2 years of losing staring a new administration in the face.

 

So, as I see it, they likely stay on if they win this year, and made it easier to stay on if they lose.

[BuffaloBen81]

No. To build a winning team takes time, obviously. Marrone clearly knows what he is doing and Whaley has done some things we need. Hackett, on the other hand, is one i would probably let go if we don't improve our offense this year. I think we need to be very patient - we have tons of talent and we are very young. But again, we have been patient for the past 15 years.

[Tasmo]

Russ Brandon is there to stay. He is making presentations to the bidders and was Ralph's main man. He understands the regionalization attempts and is a PR expert and native of western NY.

 

Doug Whaley has been active and the team's roster is the strongest in years due to his work with Buddy and on his own.

 

Marrone is a well respected coach and just has to put his vision into place. Now... Hackett may be his BIGGEST Problem. We'll have to wait and see here.

[Dorkington]

I'd like to see a coaching staff be given more than three years to turn around a team, but I know the NFL demands results right away. If Marrone and company don't make the playoffs this year, I really wouldn't be surprised if they all get let go. I believe we are going in the right direction with the talent on our team, but I think our schedule makes it difficult to show that improvement in our record. So I guess we'll see what happens.

[FireChan]

No. Gailey/Jauron/Lovie Smith/Mularkey/Herm Edwards/Josh McDaniels/Crennel/Reid/Shanahan/Frazier just needed more time.

 

Someone go ahead and post how a handful of coaches hit their stride after a few bad years. The numbers say the vast majority stink forever.

[Nanker]

What if they just fired all the fans... made everybody turn in their Bills gear and memorabilia?

[MRW]

What if the GM and coaches pulled the old switcheroo and folded their arms and said, "We aren't leaving. Make us. We're not going away." Through it back in El Pegual's face. Then what would he do?

I think his only option at that point would be to move the team and not tell the front office where they were going.

[Buffalo Barbarian]

After one season? Heck no!

This would be the most irresponsible move imaginable and would set this team in reverse for another (2) years before they could move forward again.

 

Whaley, Marrone and Hackett have been groomed for their positions and have the pedigree at this point that qualifies them to have the keys to the team for at least the next (4) seasons.

Let them keep the keys!

Let them drive the course and figure it out even with some speed bumps along the way. Great coaches and GMs take time to develop. Sometimes many, many seasons. There are lots of examples out there.

Four more years!

 

Whoa, four more years?! if we disintegrate this season they are gone, if they do ok they get another year ...

 

However if Harbaugh becomes available Pegula should PAY THE MAN and hire him immediately!

 

 

"The 49ers needed to extend the contract of coach Jim Harbaugh before the 2014 season.That's not going to happen and that puts the team at risk of losing him"

 

http://espn.go.com/n...ct-talks-season

Edited August 8, 2014 by Buffalo Barbarian

[thewildrabbit]

This team needs to show clear improvement, and not stagnation like they did last year. There is far to much talent on this team to only go 6-10, and it was all on the coaches & GM for a multitude of stupid mistakes.

 

Their fate is in their own hands, and I can see new ownership keeping the status quo even with a 7-8 / 8-8 record as long as the team fights hard in every game.

[Fadingpain]

It is way too early to have this conversation.

 

We need to see how the team does this year, how Marrone and his staff look this year, how EJ looks this year, and who the new owner is.

 

All these factors will impact what changes are made, if any, rolling forward.

 

Having said that, the odds are new ownership will clean house.

[Dorkington]

This team needs to show clear improvement, and not stagnation like they did last year. There is far to much talent on this team to only go 6-10, and it was all on the coaches & GM for a multitude of stupid mistakes.

 

Their fate is in their own hands, and I can see new ownership keeping the status quo even with a 7-8 / 8-8 record as long as the team fights hard in every game.

 

Going 6-10 is very realistic considering our schedule and questions at key positions (QB and OL).

[Best Player Available]

 

 

Whoa, four more years?! if we disintegrate this season they are gone, if they do ok they get another year ...

 

However if Harbaugh becomes available Pegula should PAY THE MAN and hire him immediately!

 

 

"The 49ers needed to extend the contract of coach Jim Harbaugh before the 2014 season.That's not going to happen and that puts the team at risk of losing him"

 

http://espn.go.com/n...ct-talks-season

Harbaugh isn't going anywhere. More espn gibberish. he wants to be paid like a SB winning coach. he has a year left. They negotiated then said we will wait until the end of this season. Actually Harbaugh wanted to get on with the business of football not money talk.End of story. Didn't even read the link didn't have too. All is well in niner country.

[DC Greg]

What if the GM and coaches pulled the old switcheroo and folded their arms and said, "We aren't leaving. Make us. We're not going away." Through it back in El Pegual's face. Then what would he do?

 

Um I'm pretty sure security would escort them out of the building in disgrace.

[NoSaint]

Out of everyone it seems Whaley is the one to keep. He has made some nice acquisitions and seems competent. Our coach and qb were not 100% his decision. And Marrone is appearing to be a mental midget such as Schiano and Gregg Williams.

 

This is of course based on the presumption we will not have a winning record like in 13 outa the last 14 years.

 

even if marrone and EJ dont work out, i cant say either one were poor decision making, as much as some guys just dont work out. in fact, at those two spots its harder than normal to hit on both (and missing on either tends to drag the other down).

 

generally i like how his built the team even if though i dont agree with some of the choices along the way (like cutting TJax early, from a conceptual standpoint - regardless of what you think of the player as an example)

 

 

 

Um I'm pretty sure security would escort them out of the building in disgrace.

 

so are you saying theres a chance something else could possibly happen?

[Fan in San Diego]

I could see Nate Hackett being fired, he reminds me of an over excited skippy. He seems too in love with his scheme and not what the players can excel at.

[PromoTheRobot]

After one season? Heck no!

This would be the most irresponsible move imaginable and would set this team in reverse for another (2) years before they could move forward again.

 

Whaley, Marrone and Hackett have been groomed for their positions and have the pedigree at this point that qualifies them to have the keys to the team for at least the next (4) seasons.

Let them keep the keys!

Let them drive the course and figure it out even with some speed bumps along the way. Great coaches and GMs take time to develop. Sometimes many, many seasons. There are lots of examples out there.

Four more years!

 

The team has more talent than they've had in years. You can point at the QB situation but EJ was the only option for Whaley at the time. It was going to be EJ or Fitz or some middling free agent.

Edited August 8, 2014 by PromoTheRobot

[simpleman]

Whaley at this point has done enough to earn a benefit of doubt depending on his actions the next few months. Hackett so far has shown nothing to prove his value and instill confidence in his competency. Crossman has proven his incompetency. Marrone's support of Crossman and of Hackett have brought into question his judgement. And the teams "all in" on EJ even though he has yet to show enough to justify it, without a viable Plan B if he fails, calls their judgement into question. And considering EJ's shaky viability, their lack of concern about obtaining a quality backup QB is scary. Tuel and Lewis, really?

If I was paying a Billion Plus for the team, I would demand more than just adequate in my management and coaches to protect that massive investment.

[3rdand12]

New ownership should not be The reason for firing anyone in this case. a year of evaluation would be in order. But Whaley and Brandon might need to fire some asses if this year sucks again

[Mango]

If the defense remains the same, or improves, Marrone's replacement is already on the roster. Jim Schwartz. Great hire for Marrone, good assistants make the HC look better with better results. His marriage/gamble to Hackett could be his demise.

 

After one season? Heck no!

This would be the most irresponsible move imaginable and would set this team in reverse for another (2) years before they could move forward again.

 

Whaley, Marrone and Hackett have been groomed for their positions and have the pedigree at this point that qualifies them to have the keys to the team for at least the next (4) seasons.

Let them keep the keys!

Let them drive the course and figure it out even with some speed bumps along the way. Great coaches and GMs take time to develop. Sometimes many, many seasons. There are lots of examples out there.

Four more years!

 

im convinced youre a troll

[T master]

This season has a ton to do with a answer to the question . I thought that given the experience of the coaches that were available last year it was a wrong pick . That being said i like Marrones attitude .

 

When you think of a coach like Lovey Smith actually saying he would like the job in B/Lo & then having Marc Trestmen with 2 championships under his belt & you take a college coach with a mediocre record at best . Here's that dog tilt your head look ...

 

I think Whaley is a good pick for GM with what he has changed in the scouting department & all i think his hire will pay dividends , Hackett on the other hand ahh i don't think !

 

If Marrone would have looked at what was here as far as coaches & kept the good & changed the bad instead of hiring buddies or homers i would have thought more of his hire .

 

Then there was the explanation that Brandon , Whaley & Buddy did a extensive & Exhaustive search for a HC after it only taking at most 2 weeks i thought they were blowing smoke & just went through the motions & already had their pick before the process started ...

 

But now we got him & time will tell … GO BILLS !!

[basskik11]

Keep Whaley. Fire Brandon and definitely fire Marrone. The dude is miserable and has no leadership.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

They are all gone, likely within a year. I would put money on it.

 

What new owner doesn't clean house?

[jethro_tull]

should they? At this point no.

 

Next season, they could if they chose to do so

 

sure they could. it would be an irresponsible move.

 

I'd be surprised if new ownership fires Whaley unless the owner has an experienced GM person he's real close too. Marrone, possibly, but likely would also get one more year. I do see Hackert going unless EJ improves. I've posted in other threads where people are crying that when EJ fails this year we don't have a #1 next year to get a new QB. instead what will happen is, if EJ looks real bad and regresses, likely Hackert would be canned and they bring in another OC who runs a different scheme supposedly more suited to EJ's strengths.

Hackett is an impressive young coach with a football playcalling pedigree that started as soon as he could talk. he's adaptable, inteligent and likely to be an offensive innovator once he gets some seasoning. He deserves to keep the keys to the offense!

 

Out of everyone it seems Whaley is the one to keep. He has made some nice acquisitions and seems competent. Our coach and qb were not 100% his decision. And Marrone is appearing to be a mental midget such as Schiano and Gregg Williams.

 

This is of course based on the presumption we will not have a winning record like in 13 outa the last 14 years.

a mental midget? why because he isn't media savvy? i completely disagree. he is a winner and will do the same for this team.

 

This team needs to show clear improvement, and not stagnation like they did last year. There is far to much talent on this team to only go 6-10, and it was all on the coaches & GM for a multitude of stupid mistakes.

 

Their fate is in their own hands, and I can see new ownership keeping the status quo even with a 7-8 / 8-8 record as long as the team fights hard in every game.

agreed and well said. continuous improvement is key to their security but i would allow some slack nonetheless.

 

It is way too early to have this conversation.

 

We need to see how the team does this year, how Marrone and his staff look this year, how EJ looks this year, and who the new owner is.

 

All these factors will impact what changes are made, if any, rolling forward.

 

Having said that, the odds are new ownership will clean house.

 

It isn't too early- it is already a topic among the media and speculation that it is adding to the Marrone's pressure factor.

Once again, these are thoroughly vetted guys who have the potential to grow with the team and have already installed their system and style.

If the new owner comes in with the automatic pink slips, it will be an irresponsible act for this team.

It will also be the first black mark (IMHO) against the new ownership and not a good sign.

 

The first act of the new ownership should be to ensure the security of the staff for at least another season. That is team savvy.

 

The team has more talent than they've had in years. You can point at the QB situation but EJ was the only option for Whaley at the time. It was going to be EJ or Fitz or some middling free agent.

 

I blame the QB situation on Buddy Nix! Not saying EJ is not going to be the man, just saying they should have had a better QB sooner during previous drafts. Also that a veteran backup may not be a bad idea either. Too many holes to fill on this team but they are getting closer by the day. Whaley has done a very good job IMHO.

[PolishDave]

I am a big fan of Whaley and would be sad to see him go. I think getting an excellent GM is harder than finding a good quarterback or a good coach. I really like the moves he has made in terms of player personnel. I don't know who the Bills could get that would be better.

 

As far as the coaches go, I would give Marrone this year to see how he does and then decide. I don't mind Marrone so much, but he certainly hasn't won me over to thinking he is going to be great. I am amazed that an ex-lineman coach doesn't have one of the most dominant offensive lines in the NFL.

[YoloinOhio]

Harbaugh isn't going anywhere. More espn gibberish. he wants to be paid like a SB winning coach. he has a year left. They negotiated then said we will wait until the end of this season. Actually Harbaugh wanted to get on with the business of football not money talk.End of story. Didn't even read the link didn't have too. All is well in niner country.

my prediction (and others, too) - harbaugh leaves because of power struggles, etc. and goes to UM to replace Hoke. They pay him whatever he wants. SF promotes Greg Roman to HC.

[Manther]

I could see Nate Hackett being fired, he reminds me of an over excited skippy. He seems too in love with his scheme and not what the players can excel at.

Agreed, I don't think Hackett can adapt as he is too proud of his College scheme and too young to think he can learn something and adapt.