What is better, no guns, or more guns?

[Irv]

3 hours ago, Andy1 said:

The problem of gun violence should be addressed as a public health problem, similar to the way society addressed smoking and drunk driving. A culture of gun safety needs to be developed and promoted through PSAs. Some of the best advocates should be responsible gun owners. Education programs could address safe storage, theft prevention, safe use, removal of guns from the mentally ill, Red Flag laws, voluntary gun give back to police, reporting concerns to police, education on the risks associated with gun ownership, doctors should talk to parents of children about gun risks, funding mental health programs, etc. 

 

The goal should be to change the way society thinks about guns and gun ownership. Education health programs have worked with DWI and smoking, without banning cigarettes or alcohol.  

 

 

 

I originally thought this was a stupid post but then I re-read it and most of it makes sense.    

 

• Education programs could address safe storage, theft prevention, safe use (Agree 100%)

• Removal of guns from the mentally ill, Red Flag laws (Agree almost 100%.  If somebody is prescribed an anti-depressant - no gun?  That's the concern)

• Voluntary gun give back to police (I don't think there is any law stopping this now)

• Reporting concerns to police (I don't think there is any law stopping this now)

• Education on the risks associated with gun ownership (This exists and is provided by the NRA - Eddie The Eagle Program)

• Doctors should talk to parents of children about gun risks.  (Don't disagree, but not sure why Doctors need to do this.  Anybody can.  You can.)

• Funding mental health programs, etc. (Agree 100%)

   

  The goal should be to change the way society thinks about guns and gun ownership. Education health programs have worked with DWI and smoking, without banning cigarettes or alcohol.  (I don't think the average gang banger gives a crap about this)

[Andy1]

2 hours ago, Irv said:

 

I originally thought this was a stupid post but then I re-read it and most of it makes sense.    

 

• Education programs could address safe storage, theft prevention, safe use (Agree 100%)

• Removal of guns from the mentally ill, Red Flag laws (Agree almost 100%.  If somebody is prescribed an anti-depressant - no gun?  That's the concern)

• Voluntary gun give back to police (I don't think there is any law stopping this now)

• Reporting concerns to police (I don't think there is any law stopping this now)

• Education on the risks associated with gun ownership (This exists and is provided by the NRA - Eddie The Eagle Program)

• Doctors should talk to parents of children about gun risks.  (Don't disagree, but not sure why Doctors need to do this.  Anybody can.  You can.)

• Funding mental health programs, etc. (Agree 100%)

   

  The goal should be to change the way society thinks about guns and gun ownership. Education health programs have worked with DWI and smoking, without banning cigarettes or alcohol.  (I don't think the average gang banger gives a crap about this)

Yea, I don’t know what you do about the gang bangers other than enforce current laws. Half of Americans are idiots. They may be good people, but they are clueless. Some things like voluntary give back to police seem obvious but sometimes dumb people just need reminding that these are options if they have unwanted guns in their home. As for doctors, gun shootings are the number one cause of death to teens and younger. Kids are curious and too many get their hands on their parents guns. Teens go through emotional difficulties. People usually pay attention to their docs. It’s the same as if the parent has lead paint in their home. 

[B-Man]

 

 

 

NEWS YOU CAN USE: 

 

5 Ways to Protect Your Gun Rights and Those of Your Children.

 

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/5-ways-to-protect-your-gun-rights-and-those-of-your-children/

 

 

 

[ArdmoreRyno]

15 hours ago, Irv said:

 

 

 

 

• Removal of guns from the mentally ill, Red Flag laws (Agree almost 100%.  If somebody is prescribed an anti-depressant - no gun?  That's the concern)

 

 

This is the part I take issue with. 

 

Again, what is the standard of "mentally ill" that warrants losing your firearm rights? Right now, in nearly every state... it's being a danger to yourself or others. But what if a person is going through a loss of a loved one or divorce and are taking medication and seeking counseling for that? Do they lose their 2A rights? Should I have to report their private information to LEO? 

 

No. 

 

As for red flag laws... this violates so many constitutional rights. You should never lose a right without due process. 

[All_Pro_Bills]

19 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

 

This is the part I take issue with. 

 

Again, what is the standard of "mentally ill" that warrants losing your firearm rights? Right now, in nearly every state... it's being a danger to yourself or others. But what if a person is going through a loss of a loved one or divorce and are taking medication and seeking counseling for that? Do they lose their 2A rights? Should I have to report their private information to LEO? 

 

No. 

 

As for red flag laws... this violates so many constitutional rights. You should never lose a right without due process. 

You make a good point.  I could argue the standard of mentally ill is an inability to recognize reality and function in it.  But what is the baseline definition for reality?  An exception might be in cases where a person has made specific threats and taken specific actions to carry out some act.  Sadly, law enforcement and public health officials miss most of these, even the most obvious.  One reason is the behavioral health threshold of "evidence" to hold somebody against their will is very high. Most individuals, even those seeking voluntary treatment, are released after evaluation. 

 

The evaluation is highly subjective and as such there is potential for misdiagnosis and abuse of the statute.  On top of that you're dealing with Protected Health Information (PHI) which adds another complexity into the issue when it comes to disclosure.  

[Andy1]

33 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

 

This is the part I take issue with. 

 

Again, what is the standard of "mentally ill" that warrants losing your firearm rights? Right now, in nearly every state... it's being a danger to yourself or others. But what if a person is going through a loss of a loved one or divorce and are taking medication and seeking counseling for that? Do they lose their 2A rights? Should I have to report their private information to LEO? 

 

No. 

 

As for red flag laws... this violates so many constitutional rights. You should never lose a right without due process. 

As someone who is in the mental health field, do you think there is any mental health condition that would justify removing guns from a person’s possession?

[Irv]

35 minutes ago, Andy1 said:

As someone who is in the mental health field, do you think there is any mental health condition that would justify removing guns from a person’s possession?

If somebody is prescribed an anti-depressant - no gun?

[ArdmoreRyno]

34 minutes ago, Andy1 said:

As someone who is in the mental health field, do you think there is any mental health condition that would justify removing guns from a person’s possession?

 

Definitely. 

 

If they are looking to harm themselves or others, or have a recent history of attempts. Most states have this rule in place. Some states have policies where if you were inpatient, you can't buy/own a firearm until you can prove you're competent to do so. 

 

I'm not pro-removing of rights if you're someone (example) who attempted a long time ago and did not complete suicide but have taken the steps to get better, have a safety plan, etc.  A lot of fellow veterans have major PTSD, but that doesn't mean they should lose their 2A rights. 

 

Certain psychotic disorders or personality disorders. Schizophrenia for example. 

 

42 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

You make a good point.  I could argue the standard of mentally ill is an inability to recognize reality and function in it.  But what is the baseline definition for reality?  An exception might be in cases where a person has made specific threats and taken specific actions to carry out some act.  Sadly, law enforcement and public health officials miss most of these, even the most obvious.  One reason is the behavioral health threshold of "evidence" to hold somebody against their will is very high. Most individuals, even those seeking voluntary treatment, are released after evaluation. 

 

The evaluation is highly subjective and as such there is potential for misdiagnosis and abuse of the statute.  On top of that you're dealing with Protected Health Information (PHI) which adds another complexity into the issue when it comes to disclosure.  

 

You're 100% right on everything you said. Especially when you said it's "highly subjective" and there ARE misdiagnosis that takes place in the field ALL THE TIME. 

 

Imagine you live in San Fran and are completely anti-2A. You feel the country should rework the Bill or Rights and get rid of the rights to own a firearm. You're also a shrink (blanket term for any therapist) and you are so bias, you help aide LEO in removing as many guns from people as possible via misdiagnosing people. That could be so abused. 

[Andy1]

42 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

Definitely. 

 

If they are looking to harm themselves or others, or have a recent history of attempts. Most states have this rule in place. Some states have policies where if you were inpatient, you can't buy/own a firearm until you can prove you're competent to do so. 

 

I'm not pro-removing of rights if you're someone (example) who attempted a long time ago and did not complete suicide but have taken the steps to get better, have a safety plan, etc.  A lot of fellow veterans have major PTSD, but that doesn't mean they should lose their 2A rights. 

 

Certain psychotic disorders or personality disorders. Schizophrenia for example. 

Isn’t this what red flag laws are for? Maybe it’s all in the details of how the laws are worded.

[ArdmoreRyno]

18 minutes ago, Andy1 said:

Isn’t this what red flag laws are for? Maybe it’s all in the details of how the laws are worded.

 

That's the idea, but it's been abused. You can call in on a neighbor you don't like and say they have firearms and have threatened you... or an ex. Just to be spiteful (and it's happened). 

[B-Man]

48 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

That's the idea, but it's been abused. You can call in on a neighbor you don't like and say they have firearms and have threatened you... or an ex. Just to be spiteful (and it's happened). 

 

 

LIFE IN THE BLUE ZONES: 

 

Detectives Rep: New York Cops Are Too Busy With Red Flag Gun Confiscations to Arrest Violent Criminals.

 

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/detectives-rep-new-york-cops-are-too-busy-with-red-flag-gun-confiscations-to-arrest-violent-criminals/

 

 

https://www.timesunion.com/state/article/state-police-union-says-investigators-18093968.php?IPID=Times-Union-state-spotlight

 

 

https://www.timesunion.com/state/article/ERPOs-17268525.php

 

 

 

 

[Andy1]

When it comes to creating laws to remove weapons from individuals who may use them to kill themselves or others, no law or system is going to be perfect. So the question comes down to which side does the law lean towards - protecting people or leaving guns in the hands of mentally unstable individuals.
 

The police appear to support the intent of the laws but are currently overwhelmed by requests. At minimum, it sounds like a lot of mentally unstable people have guns that their family/friends are concerned about. In NY it sounds like we need more police staff to deal with the increased workload. That problem can be resolved over time. 

[Unforgiven]

Question to the the resident morons...ok for this guy to keep his guns amirite?

 

Michigan Man Gets Community Service for Shooting Anti-Abortion Campaigner

 

Richard Harvey, 75, was ordered to complete 100 hours of community service. Judge Suzanne Hoseth Kreeger also gave him a suspended jail sentence of two months and a delayed sentence of one year on probation.

Harvey pleaded no contest last month to felonious assault, careless discharge of a firearm causing injury and reckless discharge of a firearm.

Kreeger also must pay $347.19 in restitution and cannot have any contact with the woman he shot, 84-year-old Joan Jacobson.

 

https://www.9and10news.com/2023/05/24/michigan-man-gets-community-service-for-shooting-anti-abortion-campaigner/

[BillStime]

Never - ever vote Republican 

 

 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

8 hours ago, Andy1 said:

When it comes to creating laws to remove weapons from individuals who may use them to kill themselves or others, no law or system is going to be perfect. So the question comes down to which side does the law lean towards - protecting people or leaving guns in the hands of mentally unstable individuals.
 

The police appear to support the intent of the laws but are currently overwhelmed by requests. At minimum, it sounds like a lot of mentally unstable people have guns that their family/friends are concerned about. In NY it sounds like we need more police staff to deal with the increased workload. That problem can be resolved over time. 

how do you deal with teenagers with handguns? That’s problem #1

 

these kids don’t realize the consequences and stupidity… like most adolescents you don’t appreciate the future you are squandering until you get there and look back. 

[ArdmoreRyno]

16 hours ago, Unforgiven said:

Question to the the resident morons...ok for this guy to keep his guns amirite?

 

Michigan Man Gets Community Service for Shooting Anti-Abortion Campaigner

 

Richard Harvey, 75, was ordered to complete 100 hours of community service. Judge Suzanne Hoseth Kreeger also gave him a suspended jail sentence of two months and a delayed sentence of one year on probation.

Harvey pleaded no contest last month to felonious assault, careless discharge of a firearm causing injury and reckless discharge of a firearm.

Kreeger also must pay $347.19 in restitution and cannot have any contact with the woman he shot, 84-year-old Joan Jacobson.

 

https://www.9and10news.com/2023/05/24/michigan-man-gets-community-service-for-shooting-anti-abortion-campaigner/

 

Not sure why you're even asking that. He plead no-contest to a felony. That's how you automatically lose your gun rights. 

[B-Man]

 

 

Gun control laws are not the answer.

 

 

Bloody Memorial Day Weekend, Chicago Style: 51 Shot, 12 Killed

 

 

https://redstate.com/mike_miller/2023/05/29/bloody-memorial-day-weekend-chicago-style-51-shot-12-killed-2-year-girl-found-gun-and-shot-herself-n753091

 

 

 

 

[B-Man]

 

 

 

[Tommy Callahan]

8 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

LMAO. Yeah. Attempted confiscation would be a hell of a show. and not in a good way.

[aristocrat]

 

[Andy1]

Here is something interesting I recently came across re gun violence:
 

  I have been reading and writing about gun violence for more than ten years. I have yet to see how one of the most significant factors that we need to understand about this peculiarly American form of behavior not only remains unstudied by all the public health mavens (read: experts) but isn’t even mentioned by this so-called scholarly community as an issue of concern.

              What I am referring to is the extraordinary differential between whites and blacks when we look at the numbers for homicides versus suicides committed with a gun. The difference is startling. For whites, the gun-homicide rate in 2021 was 3.05, for blacks it was 28.03. This puts the white gun-homicide in the United States right around Sri Lanka and Turkey, and considering that white Americans own ten times more guns that the residents of either those other countries, the rate of gun homicides suffered by American whites isn’t so bad.

              On the other hand, the rate of gun homicides experienced by American blacks is up there around countries like Sudan, Guinea, and the Dominican Republic. In 2021, the U.S. gun-homicide rate for blacks between ages 14 and 34 was – ready? – 64.05. The only country which matches that number in the entire world is El Salvador. No other country is even close.

              Looking at gun suicides, however, gives us a much different view of things.  In 2020, the rate of white gun suicides was 7.84, the black gun suicide rate was 3.95. When it comes to how guns are used in this country for ending a human life, as opposed to using a gun for hunting or sport, whites use guns to shoot themselves, blacks use guns to shoot someone else. In that respect, I’m still waiting for the first researcher to attempt an analysis of the differential between gun homicide and gun suicide using race as the fundamental variable in both types of events.  
 

https://mikethegunguy.social/2023/05/18/does-public-health-understand-gun-violence/

 

[ArdmoreRyno]

11 hours ago, Andy1 said:

Here is something interesting I recently came across re gun violence:
 

  I have been reading and writing about gun violence for more than ten years. I have yet to see how one of the most significant factors that we need to understand about this peculiarly American form of behavior not only remains unstudied by all the public health mavens (read: experts) but isn’t even mentioned by this so-called scholarly community as an issue of concern.

              What I am referring to is the extraordinary differential between whites and blacks when we look at the numbers for homicides versus suicides committed with a gun. The difference is startling. For whites, the gun-homicide rate in 2021 was 3.05, for blacks it was 28.03. This puts the white gun-homicide in the United States right around Sri Lanka and Turkey, and considering that white Americans own ten times more guns that the residents of either those other countries, the rate of gun homicides suffered by American whites isn’t so bad.

              On the other hand, the rate of gun homicides experienced by American blacks is up there around countries like Sudan, Guinea, and the Dominican Republic. In 2021, the U.S. gun-homicide rate for blacks between ages 14 and 34 was – ready? – 64.05. The only country which matches that number in the entire world is El Salvador. No other country is even close.

              Looking at gun suicides, however, gives us a much different view of things.  In 2020, the rate of white gun suicides was 7.84, the black gun suicide rate was 3.95. When it comes to how guns are used in this country for ending a human life, as opposed to using a gun for hunting or sport, whites use guns to shoot themselves, blacks use guns to shoot someone else. In that respect, I’m still waiting for the first researcher to attempt an analysis of the differential between gun homicide and gun suicide using race as the fundamental variable in both types of events.  
 

https://mikethegunguy.social/2023/05/18/does-public-health-understand-gun-violence/

 

 

Thus... it's a societal issue.

[Orlando Tim]

11 hours ago, Andy1 said:

Here is something interesting I recently came across re gun violence:
 

  I have been reading and writing about gun violence for more than ten years. I have yet to see how one of the most significant factors that we need to understand about this peculiarly American form of behavior not only remains unstudied by all the public health mavens (read: experts) but isn’t even mentioned by this so-called scholarly community as an issue of concern.

              What I am referring to is the extraordinary differential between whites and blacks when we look at the numbers for homicides versus suicides committed with a gun. The difference is startling. For whites, the gun-homicide rate in 2021 was 3.05, for blacks it was 28.03. This puts the white gun-homicide in the United States right around Sri Lanka and Turkey, and considering that white Americans own ten times more guns that the residents of either those other countries, the rate of gun homicides suffered by American whites isn’t so bad.

              On the other hand, the rate of gun homicides experienced by American blacks is up there around countries like Sudan, Guinea, and the Dominican Republic. In 2021, the U.S. gun-homicide rate for blacks between ages 14 and 34 was – ready? – 64.05. The only country which matches that number in the entire world is El Salvador. No other country is even close.

              Looking at gun suicides, however, gives us a much different view of things.  In 2020, the rate of white gun suicides was 7.84, the black gun suicide rate was 3.95. When it comes to how guns are used in this country for ending a human life, as opposed to using a gun for hunting or sport, whites use guns to shoot themselves, blacks use guns to shoot someone else. In that respect, I’m still waiting for the first researcher to attempt an analysis of the differential between gun homicide and gun suicide using race as the fundamental variable in both types of events.  
 

https://mikethegunguy.social/2023/05/18/does-public-health-understand-gun-violence/

 

I give you credit for looking at the numbers as they are, and I will give my take. Many more blacks live in communities where life is not considered valuable, they celebrate abortions, praise drill rappers, and don't respect education at all. Those numbers will be even more stark if we break down by communities. 

[GreggTX]

Statistics show a high positive correlation between gun ownership and gun deaths. In other words, more guns means more gun deaths.

 

Edited May 31, 2023 by GreggTX

[ArdmoreRyno]

30 minutes ago, GreggTX said:

Statistics show a high positive correlation between gun ownership and gun deaths. In other words, more guns means more gun deaths.

 

 

So does ownership... in anything.

 

More cars you own, the more car deaths.  More people who own planes? You guessed it, more likely you'll die flying. 

[John from Riverside]

I don’t suppose it’s too much to ask. Just ask for responsible gun ownership?

 

X military and I have guns not as many as I used to have when I collected them but I have them but I like to think of myself as a responsible gun owner. They’re locked up ammunition is stored separately I mean more than anything I do this, so that I don’t have one of my grandkids, do something stupid that will haunt me for the rest of my life 

 

It’s way too easy to get guns and people don’t really need a military weapon to guard their house if you know how to use a weapon correctly, a shotgun and 9 mm will do

[Tommy Callahan]

16 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

I don’t suppose it’s too much to ask. Just ask for responsible gun ownership?

 

X military and I have guns not as many as I used to have when I collected them but I have them but I like to think of myself as a responsible gun owner. They’re locked up ammunition is stored separately I mean more than anything I do this, so that I don’t have one of my grandkids, do something stupid that will haunt me for the rest of my life 

 

It’s way too easy to get guns and people don’t really need a military weapon to guard their house if you know how to use a weapon correctly, a shotgun and 9 mm will do

the stats show most legal gun owners like yourself, do similar.

 

How does one enforce that?  

 

and the ironic part is military officers get the handgun. No military gets an AR-15

 

And most gun crime is with that said handgun.

 

But agree, there is things we can do to slow the gun crime problem.

 

 

 

 

Edited May 31, 2023 by Chris farley

[Orlando Tim]

1 hour ago, GreggTX said:

Statistics show a high positive correlation between gun ownership and gun deaths. In other words, more guns means more gun deaths.

 

Why are you only concerned about gun deaths? How about murder rate, which to me is much more worrisome. I will also point out that suicide vs homicide are very different solutions therefore muddling them is not a good decision. I believe we have the potential to limit both greatly but the solutions are almost unrelated 

[ArdmoreRyno]

26 minutes ago, SUNY_amherst said:

Shotgun is the best home defense weapon. All you need to do is stop an intruder and shotguns have great stopping power

I can see the use case for a 9mm but yes like you say those AR 15s are not needed or practical 

 

 

 

But again, you don't get to tell anyone what they need to use for home defense. "Grand Thumb" did a dry wall experiment recently and the 77 grain 5.56 was the one round that didn't penetrate several walls.... unlike the shotgun, or 9mm. 

 

If someone is trying to break into my house and harm me or my family? I want as many rounds as possible and not limited to 5-6 shotgun shells. 

 

But you do you my man. I'm grabbing my suppressed 300 blackout or my Stribog. 30 round or 25 round magazines. 

2 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

I don’t suppose it’s too much to ask. Just ask for responsible gun ownership?

 

X military and I have guns not as many as I used to have when I collected them but I have them but I like to think of myself as a responsible gun owner. They’re locked up ammunition is stored separately I mean more than anything I do this, so that I don’t have one of my grandkids, do something stupid that will haunt me for the rest of my life 

 

It’s way too easy to get guns and people don’t really need a military weapon to guard their house if you know how to use a weapon correctly, a shotgun and 9 mm will do

 

The thing is, most gun owners are responsible. You'll have the outliers who leave their firearm in their car or laying around their homes... but most of us lock them up unless we are right there. I know that's what I do. 

 

I don't have the time or money to get an actual "military weapon". Unless you can find me a deal on a transferable M16/M4 lower or M249. 

[ArdmoreRyno]

6 minutes ago, SUNY_amherst said:

 

well you will need something bigger than that tiny handgun with the suppressor so that's good

 

Chances are no one is ever going to break into your house but if you can't stop the guy with 5 shotgun blasts then you suck at shooting

 

My wife to my girls: 

 

"I'm sorry Rylie and Lauren... I know your dad loved you both so much. He told me months ago, some guy from New York said he only needed 5 shotgun shells to defend the house, so he kept his Mossberg 500 unlocked instead of his other guns. Might have been enough firepower, but the 3 men who broke in with 3 pistols with 17 round magazines managed to overwhelm him." 

 

Yea, I think I'll use as much firepower as I can get my hands on to stop any and all threats... thank ya.

 

 

[ArdmoreRyno]

8 minutes ago, SUNY_amherst said:

 

3 men are going to break into your trailer? Yah, I doubt that scarface

 

I actually do have a trailer out on the property. With two adult kids and family, it's nice to have extra rooms for summers and holidays... but yea, I'd rather not take that chance. It HAS happened in Oklahoma before (several armed men breaking into a home). 

 

[ArdmoreRyno]

1 minute ago, SUNY_amherst said:

 

I. don't . care. 

 

Don't lie. LOL

 

 

[ArdmoreRyno]

5 minutes ago, SUNY_amherst said:

 

the thing is, if you wanted to say you want an AR-15 cause they are cool and its a right given to you by law then I would respect that.

 

But this BS about needing one in case you are invaded by the mafia is just pathetic.

 

and no one gives a shite about your house or your life. literally no one

 

 

 

 

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

 

Dude, I've said those things OVER AND OVER again on this thread the past 2 years. 

 

I have several AR platforms for several reasons. 

[Orlando Tim]

32 minutes ago, SUNY_amherst said:

 

the thing is, if you wanted to say you want an AR-15 cause they are cool and its a right given to you by law then I would respect that.

 

But this BS about needing one in case you are invaded by the mafia is just pathetic.

 

and no one gives a shite about your house or your life. literally no one

 

 

 

I appreciate your belief that no one cares about his life but I live about three miles from this:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Versailles_(house)

 

Seeing as they have a few dollars and have many things people want, what gun do you think should be allowed for them? Clearly 5 shotgun blasts doesn't cut it against 6 people. 

 

[ArdmoreRyno]

7 minutes ago, SUNY_amherst said:

 

cool then that's all you need to say. You dont need to say you need one for a dreamed up massive invasion of your trailer 

 

 

 

I've said (again) over-and-over why I own firearms and what I use those for. You've just missed those posts. And if what I live in is a trailer from your part of the woods, then wow. You must live in Buckingham Palace! Congrats! 

 

(you're the one that keeps brining up home types) 

 

Several people breaking into a home... it never happens! (and gun crime is non-existent in Australia!) 

 

https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/crime/elderly-couple-76-and-81-attacked-by-three-armed-intruders-during-home-invasion-in-carlton-with-several-items-stolen/news-story/02be64802dc3388427dc625f410727c0

 

https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/grandmother-and-grandchildren-pistol-whipped-during-home-invasion-in-irving/3238587/

 

https://abc7.com/el-monte-home-invasion-assault-police/12500289/

 

 

[Orlando Tim]

40 minutes ago, SUNY_amherst said:

 

cool then that's all you need to say. You dont need to say you need one for a dreamed up massive invasion of your trailer 

 

 

You do realize that my neighborhood has had zero invasions in 20 years partially due to the fact that it is assumed everyone in my neighborhood has guns to protect themselves? Criminals don't go after people who will fight back and kill them, therefore no one comes near my house. 

[Orlando Tim]

2 hours ago, SUNY_amherst said:

 

Most neighborhoods have had zero invasions in 20 years. Mine as well. 

Why do you think some neighborhoods have constant crime and some have basically zero for decades at a time?

[LeviF]

2 hours ago, Orlando Tim said:

Why do you think some neighborhoods have constant crime and some have basically zero for decades at a time?

 

On 5/3/2023 at 1:47 PM, LeviF said:

 

 

 

[Orlando Tim]

49 minutes ago, SUNY_amherst said:

 

If I knew that answer I would be a very rich man. I'm gonna go out on a limb and suggest that drugs and poverty play a role

That is not true, drugs are a definite problem in the suburbs also. Poverty plays a role but the overlap of poverty and crime is certainly not the highest R factor for causation. What is the biggest overlap?

[Orlando Tim]

40 minutes ago, SUNY_amherst said:

 

Why ask a question when you think have an answer. This isn't a game. At least the (likely) racist guy above you provided his theory without a passive aggressive question

Dummy, the biggest overlap is missing father figures not race, but seriously you must be a racist to jump there.