What is better, no guns, or more guns?

[Tommy Callahan]

LOL, all the ""current thing" profiles are in perfect unison parroting the MSM/Highly funded PACS, while trying desperately to call others ignorant.   

 

 

 

Its epic.   you really can't make it up.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[ArdmoreRyno]

On 5/7/2023 at 7:25 AM, ChiGoose said:

You ask a lot of questions but don’t try to answer them yourself, why?

 

In any event, Switzerland has strict licensing requirements, about 25% of the guns are for military or police purposes, the laws are designed to prevent violent people from obtaining a gun, and it’s very difficult to get a permit to carry your gun so most are left at home. 
 

In addition to that, despite the stricter gun laws than we have here, Switzerland still has a higher rate of gun deaths than most European countries. Because, as you should know by now, more guns means more gun deaths. 
 

Switzerland has a stunningly high rate of gun ownership — here's why it doesn't have mass shootings

 

 

Switzerland is about 95% white

United States is around 57% white

 

Say what you want and the truth might suck... but minorities take part in more crime.  

[ChiGoose]

1 minute ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

Switzerland is about 95% white

United States is around 57% white

 

Say what you want and the truth might suck... but minorities take part in more crime.  

It’s kind of incredible how quick people on this board are to blame black people for things. 
 

Can’t be poverty. Can’t be centuries of discrimination and preventing minorities from building wealth. Couldn’t be disinvestment in minority neighborhoods. 
 

Nope. It’s solely because we have black people, huh?

 

Do you just want to come out and say black people are inferior? Seems like you might find some support here. 

Edited May 8, 2023 by ChiGoose

[aristocrat]

34 minutes ago, Roundybout said:

“You cannot be this dumb” coming from the guy who thinks Nazis were socialists lol

Since when do Nazis have to be white? 
 

 

Also no one cares about “illegals,” your fear mongering about the border is so 2016. Let them come. 

Uncle Ruckus from The Boondocks wasn’t there just for comic relief!

hitler would have put this guy in the gas chamber 

[B-Man]

 

 

ABC7 Chicago

https://abc7chicago.com/chicago-shootings-this-weekend-police-officer-killed-violence/13220646/

Chicago shootings: Off-duty officer among 20 shot, 4 fatally ...

24 hours ago — Chicago shootings this weekend have left at least four people killed, including an off-duty Chicago police officer, and 16 others injured.

 

 

 

[ArdmoreRyno]

19 hours ago, redtail hawk said:

yes, why?  for what purpose do they need a gun that does dime in, cash register out?

 

So you're wanting to ban (just a guess) 300,000,000 of the 400,000,000 firearms in America? Every Ruger 10/22, every Glock 17, every 1911? How exactly are you going to do that? 

[Tommy Callahan]

9 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

So you're wanting to ban (just a guess) 300,000,000 of the 400,000,000 firearms in America? Every Ruger 10/22, every Glock 17, every 1911? How exactly are you going to do that? 

It would like the police it wants to defund to round them up.  Because outside door to door sweeps, there would be no way to get them all.  or even a majority. 

 

DETROIT put on a gun buy back a few weeks ago.  Media ran with how it collected over 400 guns.  if you google estimated guns in the Detroit area you get anywhere from 10K to 50K.  

 

 

Edited May 8, 2023 by Chris farley

[Joe Ferguson forever]

9 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

So you're wanting to ban (just a guess) 300,000,000 of the 400,000,000 firearms in America? Every Ruger 10/22, every Glock 17, every 1911? How exactly are you going to do that? 

less is more..for what purpose does anyone need a gun that goes in like a dime and out like a cash register (description courtesy of a law enforcement friend).

[ArdmoreRyno]

22 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

It’s kind of incredible how quick people on this board are to blame black people for things. 
 

Can’t be poverty. Can’t be centuries of discrimination and preventing minorities from building wealth. Couldn’t be disinvestment in minority neighborhoods. 
 

Nope. It’s solely because we have black people, huh?

 

Do you just want to come out and say black people are inferior? Seems like you might find some support here. 

 

Most European countries banned slavery only a few decades before we did in the United States. In fact, countries like Switzerland don't have any laws banning slavery today and that country played a HUGE role in the slave trade. 

 

I'm not denying poverty isn't a massive issue and what has lead to increased crime. I actually think it's one of the biggest reasons we see the violence we see. 

 

But my point is, which is undeniable, the more 'white' the country is... the less crime. Maybe it's why Switzerland has less gun deaths? 

[Tommy Callahan]

2 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

less is more..for what purpose does anyone need a gun that goes in like a dime and out like a cash register (description courtesy of a law enforcement friend).

I think you used your friends quote out of context.  BTW. LAW enforcement and Ex Law enforcement is excluded from any gun laws.  just saying.  easy to point fingers while being armed any time, any place without ever needing a permit.

 

 

 

 

[ArdmoreRyno]

3 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

less is more..for what purpose does anyone need a gun that goes in like a dime and out like a cash register (description courtesy of a law enforcement friend).

 

Didn't answer the question. 

 

1. You realize MOST firearms in America are semi-auto, which you want to see banned. 

2. How are you go about rounding up hundreds of millions of legal firearms from Americans? 

BONUS QUESTION: You're wanting to see Civil War II in the Untied States? 

[ChiGoose]

2 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

Most European countries banned slavery only a few decades before we did in the United States. In fact, countries like Switzerland don't have any laws banning slavery today and that country played a HUGE role in the slave trade. 

 

I'm not denying poverty isn't a massive issue and what has lead to increased crime. I actually think it's one of the biggest reasons we see the violence we see. 

 

But my point is, which is undeniable, the more 'white' the country is... the less crime. Maybe it's why Switzerland has less gun deaths? 

Do you think black people are inherently more violent than white people?

[Joe Ferguson forever]

12 minutes ago, Chris farley said:

I think you used your friends quote out of context.  BTW. LAW enforcement and Ex Law enforcement is excluded from any gun laws.  just saying.  easy to point fingers while being armed any time, any place without ever needing a permit.

 

 

 

 

Nope.  Mass shootings were the context for the quote.  

[Tiberius]

[Joe Ferguson forever]

15 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

Didn't answer the question. 

 

1. You realize MOST firearms in America are semi-auto, which you want to see banned. 

2. How are you go about rounding up hundreds of millions of legal firearms from Americans? 

BONUS QUESTION: You're wanting to see Civil War II in the Untied States? 

less, meaning fewer semi automatics, are more.  Got it?  I certainly don't want to see a civil war and certainly won't be starting one.  That's up to the MAGA's

Edited May 8, 2023 by redtail hawk

[ArdmoreRyno]

15 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

Do you think black people are inherently more violent than white people?

 

You tell me. 

 

What do the studies say in regards to who is committing crime based off population? ie, half the murders in America are done by 13% of the population. 

1 minute ago, redtail hawk said:

less, meaning fewer semi automatics, are more.  Got it?

 

I just want you to answer the questions. You're avoiding both my questions. I'll post them again.

 

1. You realize MOST firearms in America are semi-auto, which you want to see banned. 

2. How are you go about rounding up hundreds of millions of legal firearms from Americans? 

BONUS QUESTION: You're wanting to see Civil War II in the Untied States? 

Edited May 8, 2023 by ArdmoreRyno

[Joe Ferguson forever]

5 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

You tell me. 

 

What do the studies say in regards to who is committing crime based off population? ie, half the murders in America are done by 13% of the population. 

 

I just want you to answer the questions. You're avoiding both my questions. I'll post them again.

 

1. You realize MOST firearms in America are semi-auto, which you want to see banned. 

2. How are you go about rounding up hundreds of millions of legal firearms from Americans? 

BONUS QUESTION: You're wanting to see Civil War II in the Untied States? 

what about less do you not understand?  stopping their sale will result in less.. also, making the sale of ammo for them illegal would result in less.   I directly answered the question of civil war.  That's up to the people who keep threatening it, not me.

Edited May 8, 2023 by redtail hawk

[Tommy Callahan]

Just now, redtail hawk said:

what about less do you not understand?  stopping their sale will result in less..  I directly answered the question of civil war.  That's up to the people who keep threatening it, not me.

Still waiting. 

 

And when they keep happening because there is countless ones in criminals' hands already?  

 

 

 

 

[ArdmoreRyno]

5 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

what about less do you not understand?  stopping their sale will result in less.. also, making the sale of ammo for them illegal would result in less.   I directly answered the question of civil war.  That's up to the people who keep threatening it, not me.

 

So we would still have 400,000,000 firearms in the United States. You think that would make a difference, stopping production now. And banning ammo? It falls under the 2A (and people can roll their own.... I do). 

[Tommy Callahan]

1 minute ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

So we would still have 400,000,000 firearms in the United States. You think that would make a difference, stopping production now. And banning ammo? It falls under the 2A (and people can roll their own.... I do). 

provides a good take on what their actual goal is.

 

 

[ArdmoreRyno]

Just now, Chris farley said:

provides a good take on what their actual goal is.

 

 

 

Explain

[ChiGoose]

13 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

You tell me. 

 

What do the studies say in regards to who is committing crime based off population? ie, half the murders in America are done by 13% of the population. 

I would say that reaching the conclusion that black people are inherently more violent requires ignoring history and science. 
 

But if it’s convenient to your argument, I guess you can believe whatever you want. 

[Tommy Callahan]

2 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

Explain

Huge infringements on the second. that would only impact legal citizens.

 

 

Just now, ChiGoose said:

I would say that reaching the conclusion that black people are inherently more violent requires ignoring history and science. 
 

But if it’s convenient to your argument, I guess you can believe whatever you want. 

can you articulate the history and science you are referencing.  cause last time you all said trust the science, it meant trust the CDC/Industry.

 

 

 

 

[ArdmoreRyno]

1 minute ago, ChiGoose said:

I would say that reaching the conclusion that black people are inherently more violent requires ignoring history and science. 
 

But if it’s convenient to your argument, I guess you can believe whatever you want. 

 

Not ignoring anything. I'm just going to show you the numbers so we can see the black and white (facts) of your question (no pun intended). And I'm not making an argument. I'm just saying there is a clear correlation to race and crime. Why makes no difference to statistics: 

 

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/table-43

 

 

[Tommy Callahan]

1 minute ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

Not ignoring anything. I'm just going to show you the numbers so we can see the black and white (facts) of your question (no pun intended). And I'm not making an argument. I'm just saying there is a clear correlation to race and crime. Why makes no difference to statistics: 

 

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/table-43

 

 

Give her a few. she is probably trying hard to find someone Elses opinion that argues for emotions over data.

 

 

 

 

[ChiGoose]

8 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

Not ignoring anything. I'm just going to show you the numbers so we can see the black and white (facts) of your question (no pun intended). And I'm not making an argument. I'm just saying there is a clear correlation to race and crime. Why makes no difference to statistics: 

 

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/table-43

 

 

But “why” is very important to fixing it. Which is why I was asking what you believed to be the cause.

[ArdmoreRyno]

3 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

But “why” is very important to fixing it. Which is why I was asking what you believed to be the cause.

 

Poverty. Single parent homes. No parent homes. 

 

There is also a correlation to when SNAP/Welfare benefits were enacted then were heavily pushed in the 1960's and single parent homes in the black community. The black community used to have lower divorce rate than any other race in America until the 1960's. Then it skyrocketed. Crime also skyrocketed in those communities. 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

13 hours ago, Roundybout said:

 

I'm sorry you're so easily programmed. 

 

Can you explain how they in any way believed in socialism, the notion that workers should run the government and workplaces?

 

https://www.britannica.com/story/were-the-nazis-socialists

 

"Were the Nazis socialists? No, not in any meaningful way, and certainly not after 1934."

 

you silly fool… what do you think socialist leaders are?

 

Quote

Over the following years the brothers Otto and Gregor Strasser did much to grow the party by tying Hitler’s racist nationalism to socialist rhetoric that appealed to the suffering lower middle classes. 

You must have missed this part. 
 

Human socialism is an elite ruling class lives by a different set of rules and standards and everyone else is the same. 
 

name one socialist organization in history where the leaders lived the same as the rank and file.

 

no children’s fantasy books please.

 

 

Quote

The Nazi Party,[b] officially the National Socialist German Workers' Party (German: Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei

 

The deliberate effort to walk back the socialist roots of the Nazi party comes from the same fools who wish to see authoritarian history repeat. 
 

Here’s another socialist for you

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/keithflamer/2016/11/26/10-surprises-about-castros-extravagant-life/

 

and another one. 
 

https://nypost.com/2023/05/05/the-met-gala-hypocrisy-of-class-warrior-chi-osse/?utm_campaign=iphone_nyp&utm_source=pasteboard_app

Edited May 8, 2023 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[Joe Ferguson forever]

58 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 

you silly fool… what do you think socialist leaders are?

 

You must have missed this part. 
 

Human socialism is an elite ruling class lives by a different set of rules and standards and everyone else is the same. 
 

name one socialist organization in history where the leaders lived the same as the rank and file.

 

no children’s fantasy books please.

 

 

 

The deliberate effort to walk back the socialist roots of the Nazi party comes from the same fools who wish to see authoritarian history repeat. 
 

Here’s another socialist for you

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/keithflamer/2016/11/26/10-surprises-about-castros-extravagant-life/

 

and another one. 
 

https://nypost.com/2023/05/05/the-met-gala-hypocrisy-of-class-warrior-chi-osse/?utm_campaign=iphone_nyp&utm_source=pasteboard_app

you can place any "ists" you want on nazis.  They were murderous scum and the neo nazis are as well.  The philosophy was "we are the superior race, f u if you're not us or die if you're not us"...sound familiar?  defending nazis...wow.  That says it all...

Edited May 8, 2023 by redtail hawk

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

2 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

you can place any "ists" you want on nazis.  They were murderous scum and the neo nazis are as well.  The philosophy was "we are the superior race, f u if you're not us or die if you're not us"...sound familiar?  defending nazis...wow.  That says it all...

Not defending just explaining that all you socialists are a few short years away from becoming your own version of the same…

 

it’s already happening. You uphold the government as your spiritual and moral leader, just like subservient party members in 30’s Germany 

By the way you agreed all Democrats should surrender their guns now right? 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

9 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Not defending just explaining that all you socialists are a few short years away from becoming your own version of the same…

 

it’s already happening. You uphold the government as your spiritual and moral leader, just like subservient party members in 30’s Germany 

By the way you agreed all Democrats should surrender their guns now right? 

I defend the gov't as my ticket to continued prosperity, security and freedom.  You seem to rail against it so that you can get yours in whatever manner it takes....play by the f'in rules and win.

Edited May 8, 2023 by redtail hawk

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

3 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

I defend the gov't as my ticket to continued prosperity, security and freedom. 

Direct quote from Mein Kampf… you’re closer that I thought. 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

1 minute ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Direct quote from Mein Kampf… you’re closer that I thought. 

link pls...should be quick as you apparently know it well.

Edited May 8, 2023 by redtail hawk

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

1 minute ago, redtail hawk said:

link pls

It’s on Amazon I’m sure. You should read it. As a good socialist you might like it. 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

12 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

It’s on Amazon I’m sure. You should read it. As a good socialist you might like it. 

Kick save and a beauty...not.  I don't want it banned so that history doesn't repeat but I'd never touch it.  Bad Karma.  Very bad, possibly the worst.  Give me the cliff note re my post.  Chipping away the veneer...I like maple personally but hardwoods are good too.  And many here insist neo nazis are rare.  Go figure.

Edited May 8, 2023 by redtail hawk

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

1 hour ago, redtail hawk said:

Kick save and a beauty...not.  I don't want it banned so that history doesn't repeat but I'd never touch it.  Bad Karma.  Very bad, possibly the worst.  Give me the cliff note re my post.  Chipping away the veneer...I like maple personally but hardwoods are good too.  And many here insist neo nazis are rare.  Go figure.

now Maple isn’t a hardwood? 🙄

 

😂 

 

[ArdmoreRyno]

32 minutes ago, SUNY_amherst said:

 

that is a manner of opinion. The 2A doesn't mention ammunition 

 

would much rather talk about this then the veiled racist "single parent homes" conversation BTW

 

 

 

The Second Amendment understood that every type of firearm and ammunition available was protected by the guarantee, and that the Founders intended the People to have unfettered access to even military weapons, so the People would have equal footing in resistance to military enforcement of laws passed by abuse of government power.

 

George Washington asserted this same right in a speech he gave to Congress in 1790, "A free people ought not only be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government..."

 

 

37 minutes ago, SUNY_amherst said:

 

that is a manner of opinion. The 2A doesn't mention ammunition 

 

would much rather talk about this then the veiled racist "single parent homes" conversation BTW

 

 

 

How are facts racist? Are you going to be one of those people who think, if a stat is awful in regards to a race... it's just racist? Seriously? 

[ArdmoreRyno]

1 minute ago, SUNY_amherst said:

 

To the first part, you just shared more opinions on the issue. It is fine but it is not a rebuttal to my point that saying the 2nd Amendment reaches to ammunition is opinion. 

 

to the last part, I refuse to engage in the racist back & forth that takes hold after these shootings but I don't believe any facts were shared about the upbringing of the recent mass murderers and if they grew up in a single parent home or not

 

I was answering why I think there's been an increase of gun violence. I'm talking the correlation of facts. That's not racist my man. (and I didn't say anything about that in regards to the recent mass shooters)

[Roundybout]

 

Baby steps. Like, really tiny baby steps. But progress nonetheless. 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

2 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

now Maple isn’t a hardwood? 🙄

 

😂

 

so sue me.  I like it. It's nice and warm.  unlike MAGA's

Edited May 8, 2023 by redtail hawk