GG Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 I doubt Whaley would roll the dice on Watkins if he didn't think EJ wasn't going be able to get him the ball. You just have to hope Whaley knows more. Yes, that is obviously the hope. But considering the season that EJ had last year, Whaley has zero margin for error. It's not like he's rolling the dice on a guy who's had a 10 year career without missing a single game. It's silly that you choose to argue this point. But not surprising. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjjr Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 Maybe add Stephen Morris to the mix as an UDFA.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just in Atlanta Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 Geno Smith arguably showed as much promise as EJ last year (flame away!) and yet the Jets brought in Vick and drafted Boyd. Good point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 We have 4 QBs. How many do you want? Seriously? having bodies versus viable QBs is a whole different matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PastaJoe Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 We all want good ones. Who exactly do you want? Peyton Manning and Tom Brady? Who exactly is a capable back up if you were picking? My preference was Vick, but I'd also prefer at least 4 of the QBs picked after the Bills 4th round pick. At least they have the potential to improve. Lewis and Tuel are what they are, they're not going to challange as a starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 Geno Smith arguably showed as much promise as EJ last year (flame away!) and yet the Jets brought in Vick and drafted Boyd. And the same with Tampa. They still signed a FA to start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just in Atlanta Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 We have 4 QBs. How many do you want? Seriously -- it's up in the air if we have a legit starter. Lewis seems like a third stringer. Jeff Tuel is a long ways away. And I don't even know who the fourth guy is. Kolb? Is he even still with us? I think you could find one of these to drop for an Aaron Murray like talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 Did you guys see what those idiots in New England did? They took a QB in round 2 when they already have a HoF QB and a 3rd round pick invested in his backup. What a backwards organization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 . Judging by Whaley's willingness to trade up, they will get their man one way or the other in 2016 if EJ flops. Like it or not, this appears to be the plan. It is what it is. If EJ doesn't pan out, I dobt Whaley is still calling the shots in the 2016 draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 Did you guys see what those idiots in New England did? They took a QB in round 2 when they already have a HoF QB and a 3rd round pick invested in his backup. What a backwards organization. Hello.....Tom Brady is 8000 years old. Completely different situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted May 10, 2014 Author Share Posted May 10, 2014 Hello.....Tom Brady is 8000 years old. Completely different situation. Wanna bet he has more NFL starts left in him than EJ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 Seriously -- it's up in the air if we have a legit starter. Lewis seems like a third stringer. Jeff Tuel is a long ways away. And I don't even know who the fourth guy is. Kolb? Is he even still with us? I think you could find one of these to drop for an Aaron Murray like talent. Dixon. Dennis Dixon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
major Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 This sums up how I feel: there is no viable backup or developmental QB on the roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 @buffalobills Whaley: "We do not anticipate bringing in (another QB)" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 Did you guys see what those idiots in New England did? They took a QB in round 2 when they already have a HoF QB and a 3rd round pick invested in his backup. What a backwards organization. The newest pick is truly the apprentice though. Brady is 36 right ? and Brandon is going to pay him a visit to remember this year. He will get suspended and we will reward him with a new contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RealityCheck Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 If EJ doesn't pan out, I dobt Whaley is still calling the shots in the 2016 draft. That's Whaley's problem, not mine. I chose to just accept what they are currently doing. The alternatives don't appeal to me. As for the 2016 draft, whoever the GM is, they will have their first round pick back and have the opportunity to draft their guy. It is what it is. If you want to worry about that stuff, I won't be joining you. I am ready for the preseason right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 Reading these threads I realize now the plays I thought EJ Manuel made last season were just a 6-month fevered hallucination. I had no idea every pass he threw was incomplete, except for the interceptions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Doug Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 (edited) Not really. They said OBD was 100% behind EJ and they've proved it by not drafting another QB. And on a personal level, I'm thrilled there won't be 100 idiotic 'why not give Boyd a start' threads. By this logic, EJ should be the only active QB on the game day roster. They're 100% behind him, right? Shouldn't need a quality backup when you're 100% behind your starter, right? I think it's amazing that a "run option" QB who really didn't run much still managed to tally up 3 injuries in 1 season plus an offseason surgery. But I guess we still wouldn't want a quality backup considering we're 100% behind EJ. Reading these threads I realize now the plays I thought EJ Manuel made last season were just a 6-month fevered hallucination. I had no idea every pass he threw was incomplete, except for the interceptions. You must've missed the countless floaters he threw up. But I guess this is why they targeted Watkins. Edited May 10, 2014 by kas23 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numark3 Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 Yea those 5th and 6th rounders are better than our backups. Stupid OBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MVJim Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 I believe they may pick up a more veteran QB once one is released, such as Christian Ponder who may need a change of scenery. If EJ goes down with our new "win now" attitude, a rookie 5th through 7th round QB will not be able to step in. Jeff Tuel is not a viable option. Jason Campbell also may be released. However, remember, all our chips are on EJ which they should be when you expend a first round draft pick. EJ will only be entering his 2nd year so we need not panic at the moment but shoudl recognize the need fr a veteran backup in case of injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 Reading these threads I realize now the plays I thought EJ Manuel made last season were just a 6-month fevered hallucination. I had no idea every pass he threw was incomplete, except for the interceptions. Has nothing to do with his playing ability, but everything with missing half of preseason and half of regular season. But you knew that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 I"m not suprised. I think they will try to land a vet backup for EJ. Perhaps in a trade. Won't be a big name, but a Vet to replace Tuel perhaps. ANy UDFA's left of note? Conner Shaw? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 Has nothing to do with his playing ability, but everything with missing half of preseason and half of regular season. But you knew that. Which means we don't know if how good or bad he is yet. But let's just assume he's bad and save time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountryCletus Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 I'm waiting to see if they bring in Lynch as an UDFA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 How did that work out last year? Considering all the unusual circumstance s last year. Fairly poorly i think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 Both Jeff Tuel and Thad Lewis are further along than any of the "late round flyer" guys. If this season is indeed "make or break" for EJM, then next season they will go out and get someone (draft or free agent) to replace him. In other words, it's just for this season, and having a new rookie wouldn't help for this season anyway. Also, they may bring in a veteran that's been cut before this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 Which means we don't know if how good or bad he is yet. But let's just assume he's bad and save time. No, but it is the height of irresponsibility to not have a back-up plan for something as important as QB in the NFL when players get injured all the time. The circumstance of having an UDRFA as your back-up QB cost the Bills at least one game last year. Yes, both Kolb and EJ got hurt, but as soon as Kolb went down it was imperative they get a guy in better than Tuel, who just sucked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 Which means we don't know if how good or bad he is yet. But let's just assume he's bad and save time. I know that the offseason is your time to shine, but no one is saying that EJ is going to fail. The simple point is that, again, Bills are woefully thin at the backup position. And many people think that Whaley is taking a very big risk, against reasonable odds if EJ does not play a full season or he doesn't pick up his game in '14. Now, you can continue bashing fans for pointing out the obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLEN1QB Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 I was very upset that we didn't pick a quarterback up in the draft or in free agency I have a feeling it's going to come back and bite us this season our backups stink Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 Anyone else unhappy that Whaley did not see fit to take a late round flyer on a QB? There were lots available, including many that were expected to go sooner, such as Mettenberger, Murray, McCarron, and Boyd. I think this is a decision we will regret. Once again, OBD neglecting the most important position in sports. Why the disappointment and surprise? They told you months ago that the keys were in EJ's hands and competition would not be brought in. Personally I don't like it, but the draft unfolded as expected with regard to QB. This is the first time I've heard people think EJ sucks and we should draft someone. What post above this said anything even remotely like that? Oh yeah, there isn't one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronc24 Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 It is a QB league, but I am not sure any of the QB's we could have picked late were worth it. The tendency to reach for someone just to have a QB led to the Losman pick. I'm ok with picking for value rather than reaching for a bad QB. I know many here had their favorites in this draft, but pardon me if I defer to Whaley's QB evaluation over yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 Why the disappointment and surprise? They told you months ago that the keys were in EJ's hands and competition would not be brought in. Personally I don't like it, but the draft unfolded as expected with regard to QB. What post above this said anything even remotely like that? Oh yeah, there isn't one. I love how an abbreviated rookie season turns into "EJ is the worst QB to ever walk the earth!!" Almost as hilarious as the idea that drafting any QB has to be an improvement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 Once again, the point is not to draft someone to compete with EJ (not that there would be anything wrong with that). The point is that--again--there is no viable backup or developmental QB on the roster. a viable backup (I'm fine with Lewis for BU) or developmental QB would signify competition and perhaps uncertainty. So that means it was the right decision? It means you shouldn't be surprised or disappointed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardinalScotts Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 they will sign a qb after the draft for a camp arm...thats all that was available in the draft anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted May 11, 2014 Author Share Posted May 11, 2014 Both Jeff Tuel and Thad Lewis are further along than any of the "late round flyer" guys. I very much doubt that--especially the four guys I mentioned. It is a QB league, but I am not sure any of the QB's we could have picked late were worth it. The tendency to reach for someone just to have a QB led to the Losman pick. I'm ok with picking for value rather than reaching for a bad QB. I know many here had their favorites in this draft, but pardon me if I defer to Whaley's QB evaluation over yours. You mean after OBD did such a terrific job managing the QB position last year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 Anyone else unhappy that Whaley did not see fit to take a late round flyer on a QB? There were lots available, including many that were expected to go sooner, such as Mettenberger, Murray, McCarron, and Boyd. I think this is a decision we will regret. Once again, OBD neglecting the most important position in sports. Curious why you wanted a QB? As competition for EJ? Or, for Thad? Or, for Tuel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filthymcnasty08 Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 Its so so risky to handle the QB position like this....and choosing to do so makes it inexcuseable. Our #1 could still be a bust - jury is very much out on him. Yes, he deserves this season BUT the team and the fans deserve reasonable hope for salvaging the season if he were to get injured like he has already done 3x. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 I love how an abbreviated rookie season turns into "EJ is the worst QB to ever walk the earth!!" Almost as hilarious as the idea that drafting any QB has to be an improvement. Yes, that's what everyone has said in this thread. EJ IS THE WORST QB EVER TO WALK THE EARTH. Hedging bets isn't a bad thing. I've come to terms with the Bills' decision, but I was at the same place mannc is several months ago. I went through some very public wailing and gnashing of teeth because this "All In" plan is very risky. We want competition everywhere on the field with the exception of the most important position. Really, I'm fine now, I've come to terms with the decisions, but that doesn't mean that I agree with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted May 11, 2014 Author Share Posted May 11, 2014 Curious why you wanted a QB? As competition for EJ? Or, for Thad? Or, for Tuel? Mainly for the latter two reasons, but if the fifth round guy turned out to be really good and put a little heat on EJ, so much the better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 Mainly for the latter two reasons, but if the fifth round guy turned out to be really good and put a little heat on EJ, so much the better. I can see wanting to draft a guy to compete with Tuel and Thad. But, as much as those guys have some downsides, the fact that both of them now have game experience is invaluable and probably has them way ahead of any rookie we would have drafted. Nonetheless, I bet they bring an UDFA QB, though probably as camp fodder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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