Kelly the Dog Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 The Bills scout is saying that the other Clemson safety was very slow, and so they made Meeks play 15 yards back, which was why he didnt put up the stats other guys did. But when he was closer in he would make plays. They like him. I'm lukewarm on him but I do know Pettine likes safeties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Screwball Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 Meeks Twitter Profile: https://twitter.com/lucky_lefty5 He tweeted about EJ being drafted on Thursday. Jonathan Meeks @lucky_lefty5 25 Apr S/O to my boy #EJManuel he def deserve it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 I am always curious why people are so upset the Bills don't pull their drafts straight from the ESPN mocks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 Give it a rest, will you? We know you hate Nix and every pick he's made the last three years. and look at the results, I'm sick and tired of losing and this just continues the trend, until we get a GM with a clue we are screwed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 (edited) Last year, our 5th round pick was CUT before the season. Zebrie Sanders? He went on IR, wasn't cut. Please, please, SDS...16 pages is NOT enough! (see the post above this as well....) Edited April 27, 2013 by Lurker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 (edited) The Bills scout is saying that the other Clemson safety was very slow, and so they made Meeks play 15 yards back, which was why he didnt put up the stats other guys did. But when he was closer in he would make plays. They like him. I'm lukewarm on him but I do know Pettine likes safeties. Id guess being close to the Clemson staff helps that assessment. and look at the results, I'm sick and tired of losing and this just continues the trend, until we get a GM with a clue we are screwed. Then don't watch? No ones forcing you to come here and post about how you've never heard of guys. Edited April 27, 2013 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Screwball Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 (edited) Buffalo Bills @buffalobills 9m Jonathan Meeks: "I'm big fast, strong, and I can hit. This defense will allow me to do that" #BillsDraft Buffalo Bills @buffalobills 10m Meeks on his visit with #Bills DC Mike Pettine: "I just fell in love with the defense" Buffalo Bills @buffalobills 11m #Bills Meeks on his visit with #Bills: "It's a great organization to be a part of" #BillsDraft Buffalo Bills @buffalobills 12m #Bills S Jonathan Meeks on @BumpNrunGilm0re: "He's one of my really good friends ... we grew up playing against each other." Edited April 27, 2013 by Screwball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted April 27, 2013 Author Share Posted April 27, 2013 This is the only highlight clip for the guy. He was just in the right place on an overthrown ball. Nice speed, though. so just about how Byrd was in the "right place" on almost all of his interceptions his rookie season? Just sayin... Also, I personally don't believe in "right place at the right time" when it comes to football. Either you have instincts or you don't. Why was he in the "right place"? It was no where near anyone on that play. So either he was psychic and knew where the ball was going to be, or he was just lucky enough to be bad and out of the play by about 10-15 yards. Either one, I'm fine with. But there is no "right place" here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 worst pick of an unbelievably great draft. probably could have gotten this guy with their last pick or as an UDFA. many other rated players available. I would not be so sure about that...And I'm not a huge fan of the way Meeks played in College at times...I was able to see him a lot and knew of him even when he was in HS...The thing is, Meeks has excellent size/speed, and there were some extenuating circumstances that effected his play at Clemson...And he should be a real good Special Teams contributor ..If you're looking at pure athletic numbers...He's just about the prototype Safety...And those guys don't usually last too long...I think based on that, the 5th Round is fine for him...I would have preferred the Bills Draft a pure CB here...But I understand the pick...Not crazy about it, but I get it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 and look at the results, I'm sick and tired of losing and this just continues the trend, until we get a GM with a clue we are screwed. There's nothing you like about this draft? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 Id guess being close to the Clemson staff helps that assessment. Them don't watch? No ones forcing you to come here and post about how you've never heard of guys. Yep the scout says he and Nix have known the Clemson staff for 30 years and they couldn't say enough good things about the kid. I'm wary of that kind of stuff holding too much weight though. I always think these coaches will sugarcoat their own players for a whole host of reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 (edited) I would not be so sure about that...And I'm not a huge fan of the way Meeks played in College at times...I was able to see him a lot and knew of him even when he was in HS...The thing is, Meeks has excellent size/speed, and there were some extenuating circumstances that effected his play at Clemson...And he should be a real good Special Teams contributor ..If you're looking at pure athletic numbers...He's just about the prototype Safety...And those guys don't usually last too long...I think based on that, the 5th Round is fine for him...I would have preferred the Bills Draft a pure CB here...But I understand the pick...Not crazy about it, but I get it... Care to share more on the circumstances? Yep the scout says he and Nix have known the Clemson staff for 30 years and they couldn't say enough good things about the kid. I'm wary of that kind of stuff holding too much weight though. I always think these coaches will sugarcoat their own players for a whole host of reasons. For sure - I'm not saying its always good but... I'm not surprised for a late rounder to be a guy like that. After 30 years you hope they know them enough to know bs though. Edited April 27, 2013 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 so just about how Byrd was in the "right place" on almost all of his interceptions his rookie season? Just sayin... Also, I personally don't believe in "right place at the right time" when it comes to football. Either you have instincts or you don't. Why was he in the "right place"? It was no where near anyone on that play. So either he was psychic and knew where the ball was going to be, or he was just lucky enough to be bad and out of the play by about 10-15 yards. Either one, I'm fine with. But there is no "right place" here. I get what you're saying - he had the instinct to be in the direction of the play, but the ball was still overthrown. My point is that it's not a tremendous highlight or anything, and that's all we get when we search for him. Not knocking the guy or anything, just making an observation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dayman Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 I am always curious why people are so upset the Bills don't pull their drafts straight from the ESPN mocks. Well over the past 10 years ESPN mocks are far superior to our draft results.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 Meeks does have prototype safety numbers. And he is livid he wasn't invited to combine. My guess is Meeks would of put up eye catching combine numbers and boost his draft stock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 Care to share more on the circumstances? Well...The Bills Scout just touched on it a bit...He was asked to play as the last line of Defense due to his athleticism compared to the other Clemson safeties (the others were too slow) which took him out of showing a lot of his abilities...I don't think he's a center-field-type of Safety like Byrd at all...I don't think he's instinctive enough for that role...And that's pretty much what Clemson needed him to do because they had no one else to do it...I do think Pettine sees a role for him that is very different from what he did at Clemson... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 This pick is so terrible they didn't even talk about it on NFLN, which is probably better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kasper13 Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 Steal of the entire draft. http://www.clemsontigers.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=28500&ATCLID=205529361 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 Steal of the entire draft. http://www.clemsonti...TCLID=205529361 Hmmm good stats! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RCOHEN13 Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 Head scratcher If we were gonna really reach and "waste" pick, should have been Hopkins K FSU.. NEED to upgrade lindell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TC in St. Louis Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 Maybe they really wanted this guy on the team, and thought somebody else would snag him. Who knows? Good talent slips through the cracks. Justin Peters. London Fletcher. Tom Brady went in the 6th. This was no random pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 If we were gonna really reach and "waste" pick, should have been Hopkins K FSU.. NEED to upgrade lindell It'll be easy to get a K in the 7th or as UDFA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artmalibu Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 3 fast physical guys, whats not to like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4BillsintheBurgh Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 Both of the safeties drafted are big hitters and SS types. He's a project, and Pettine likes to play three safeties. This should not at all be seen as having anything to do with Byrd staying or going. Bryan Scott might be getting a little nervous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 I've watched a lot of game film on this kid. His intangibles are off the charts. I had him graded as a late 4th round grade………….. I've been watching too much draft coverage and Mike Mayock. Never heard of the guy. But since I've started following the draft this is the first Bills draft I've actually like every player drafted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Syracuse Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 (edited) and look at the results, I'm sick and tired of losing and this just continues the trend, until we get a GM with a clue we are screwed. You can't make any judgements on this draft or the new regime at One Bills Drive. Everything is brand new and this draft has Whaley written all over it. The Bills are also going to be running a defense unlike anything we've seen so the alignments and personnel will all be different. Hold judgement until they've had a chance to prove themselves Edited April 27, 2013 by Mike in Syracuse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 Meeks does have prototype safety numbers. And he is livid he wasn't invited to combine. My guess is Meeks would of put up eye catching combine numbers and boost his draft stock For sure...Like I said before he's pretty much a prototype height/weight/speed guy...In Meeks case the non-invite was even more devastating because the film was not great... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted April 27, 2013 Author Share Posted April 27, 2013 I get what you're saying - he had the instinct to be in the direction of the play, but the ball was still overthrown. My point is that it's not a tremendous highlight or anything, and that's all we get when we search for him. Not knocking the guy or anything, just making an observation. well, thanks for replying to that. I just think, like almost any other 5th or 6th round pick, you probably will be puzzled to find tape on a guy unless he's a QB, WR, RB or OL. There's always tape in these guys. Safeties and Corners are tough to get tape on. When the cameras start rolling, they are following the ball. It's usually in the QBs hands when Safeties are making plays and getting into the "right places". By the time the ball is in the air and almost to the WR, the Safety has already gobbled up ground to make his play for the ball. So you don't see his response times, hip movements, change of directions and play for the ball in general. I'm not saying this kid will be good by any means, but based on that video, I like his size and speed. Based in his comments, I like his attitude. Based on his peers talking good things about him, I like his upside. Based on Marrone and his desire to "coach" these young players, I like his potential. And based in the possibility that we may run with 3 safeties, I like the move in general. He looks like he's a clone of Landry when I watch him on that clip btw. Body size/style. At first I was like WTF??? But then quickly got over it after a few pointed out some very simple points. Like how we only had 2 Safeties in the roster before this draft. And personally, I like the other kid from Nevada and think he might be in the running for CB as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 http://www.draftinsider.net/reports/2013/S/Jonathan-Meeks Sounds like a hybrid DB/rover-type that Pettine can scheme with. Not liking the 5th round for him, but he looks like a fit for the defense we're going to run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 Bryan Scott might be getting a little nervous. Likely the closest to a true evaluation of who's about to get challenged. Not Byrd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaaadThingsMan Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 Strap him up and let him loose, the Bills are gonna have some major terrors on special teams this year. Thump, thump, thump all year baby!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 Mel Kiper and Todd McShay both had him rated as a "free agent" grade...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted April 27, 2013 Author Share Posted April 27, 2013 Mel Kiper and Todd McShay both had him rated as a "free agent" grade...... yeah, they also had Ryan Leaf rated as a 1st rounder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 Mel Kiper and Todd McShay both had him rated as a "free agent" grade...... That's the best scouting report he could have possibly got. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Syracuse Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 Mel Kiper and Todd McShay both had him rated as a "free agent" grade...... There's a good reason Kiper and McShay don't have jobs for actual teams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 Mel Kiper and Todd McShay both had him rated as a "free agent" grade...... Explain to me what separates a 5 vs a Fa in their rankings? At this point it's finding fit to scheme and upside. He could've been a mid rounder for many and not on other boards at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 (edited) To me 4h and above you get the guys you like. There is no clue how other teams boards might look that deep into he draft. So the bills liked him, lets find out why. Edited April 27, 2013 by over 20 years of fanhood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaaadThingsMan Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 Love this draft, excited for the future as the team gets Bigger Faster Stronger and Fearless. All these players fit the mold!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 The Koolaid overfloweth in this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 To media 4h and above ou get the guys you like. There is no clue how other teams boards might look that deep into he draft. So the bills liked him, lets find out why. Bingo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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